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Date Posted: Tuesday, September 09, 10:02:52pm
Author: SPC Fan
Subject: Re: Let's turn this again
In reply to: Sludge 's message, "Let's turn this again" on Monday, September 08, 05:27:06pm

We are St Peters
Keydren Clark,Shane Nichols,Ron Yates,Jamie Sowers,Ricky Bellinger,Jamar Hunter,Randy Holmes,Lou Arrosa etc,don't want to go back farther when the talent was even better.
Not all panned out, some were head cases or had problems but check the rankings out of high school my friend. Talent is many times adequate for our level,it's coaching plus ability to find the hidden gem that wins at SPC.
John has two years to show he has chosen the right players and he can coach them up to contention. Not an easy place to coach at but not impossible and much easier with the new president at the helm.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Let's turn this again -- loyal, Tuesday, September 09, 11:55:06pm [1]

Amen, Brother.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Let's turn this again -- oldtimer#1, Wednesday, September 10, 09:47:17am [1]

Good points SPC Fan, although I think that you will be the first to recognize that many of the players mentioned were recruited over the span of several years and not necessarily in one recruiting class or from one coach. My own evaluation of JD is that he and his staff have recruited quite well over the last two years. Jenkins and Bacon will be two outstanding MAAC players and Conoly (if he would have qualified and now become eligible next year) will be another outstanding get. Even if Lampley, Reid, Hall, Hill, Costner etc. do not pan out ( and I think some will ) it's been two pretty good years of recruiting. Indeed if Sutton would have kept his verbal committment, I would argue that it would have been two great years of recruiting.

I also agree with your point that the talent is out there. The trick is either to hit a home run ( or at least triple) with one of your recruits.
Contrary to some, I think that there is more luck involved on that end than the recruiting eye of any coach or staff. You can recruit potential but how much that potential is reached is as much up to the individual player (work ethic, summer play etc. ) as it is up to any staff. The phrase "player development", while it has some validity, is somewhat overrated. Some players develop, a lot do not and it has as much to do with the player as any staff.

Bottom line is that I would find it hard pressed to see how any staff could have done a better job than JD and staff have in this area the past two years. Even with the poor luck with Sutton and to some extent Conoly. And just to preempt those who will respond that they couldn't close the deal on Sutton I will refer to prior postings that went into some detail on the Sutton saga.

So where does that leave us? Strangely, I think everyone is in agreement ( me, yourself, loyal, Peacock and Sludge ) in that let's see how the staff puts these recruits together and how the team performs. The recruiting has been fine, let's judge the performance. My own guess is decent this year (if everyone stays healthy) and quite dangerous next year. JD will now be judged on performance, IMO he's passed the test on recruiting.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Before this gets our of hand -- Sludge, Thursday, September 11, 03:37:46pm [1]

Let me be clear on this. The discussion one has had here is not intended as a commentary on the talent level of the team members but rather as a dialogue on whether our recruits were overhyped or assumed to be of a higher stature than they have thus far shown. No doubt some, most notably Jenkins and Bacon are at a level at or maybe even above that of their league counterparts. The back and forth here stems principally from my contention that, among JD's two classes, we may have been grading our entrants as being above what has thus far been seen.

Of course, from this the argument most naturally turns to whether or not we should be seeing better results and further, to the quality of the coaching. These questions will undoubtedly be raised, and legitimately so, during the course of the season, weighing heavily on what has gone into mix (talent), and what we seeing come out(results).

Again, let me be clear that talent here is not being discussed as an absolute but rather, in relative terms. In a low major conference such as the MAAC, there is little to distinguish between top and bottom other than by perhaps the addition/subtraction of one or two players, ones that undoubtedly pop up from an unforseen or beneficiary circumstance.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Before this gets our of hand -- JohnELinden, Thursday, September 11, 10:17:00pm [1]

Im really pulling for the sophomore class you guys were pretty hard on them last season!!!! But your frustration is understood!!

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