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Date Posted: Sunday, January 27, 10:47:56am
Author: Peacock
Subject: I leave that question open
In reply to: Sludge 's message, "Well, at least we seem to be asking some better questions" on Saturday, January 26, 10:39:10pm

as that then indicts Dunne's ability as a recruiter and gives no one a chance to defend him.

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[> [> [> [> A nice tactical response on your part -- Sludge, Sunday, January 27, 12:14:22pm [1]

Which allows one to maneuver either way on Dunne.

If class proves mediocre, many other factors must be considered in recruitment efforts; including facilities, Administration apathy/indifference, funding, recent history, image. You know the drill list, regardless of how you choose to ignore or minimize.

An "open mind" does have its conveniences :-)

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: A nice tactical response on your part -- Peacock, Sunday, January 27, 02:51:01pm [1]

Not difficult when dealing with someone with shifting premises. Lets examine

Your post "Although I would still ask where is your basis for this assumption?" to which SPCFan asked you " Would you suggest Bacon,Hogga,Costner,Lampley are not the equal or better than Reeves,Brock and Onibudo as players."

Then in another post you take the other side of the coin and post "We knew this coming in. His handle, passing and defense all were shortcomings that were known in high school. " which wonders why in the beginning you thought this was a good recruiting class and then ask question from a contrived comment. Simple you can't make a conclusion and need to deflect anything using anything from a 360 degree direction to favor you. You have the total consistency in only that you can't have a consistent position.

Finally how do you make the conclusion "If class proves mediocre, many other factors must be considered in recruitment efforts; including facilities, Administration apathy/indifference, funding, recent history, image. You know the drill list, regardless of how you choose to ignore or minimize." when you have no idea who turned them down. On top of that Dunne got most of his early and not reflected in the problems you have written above.

As I said you are a master of shifting premises and causes. At what point in the time do you start to worry about the staff. I have a feeling you have other reasons to not take that point and it just might lie in the same reason you took so long to question Leckie.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: A nice tactical response on your part -- Sludge, Monday, January 28, 08:18:41pm [1]

My quandary is in trying to determine whether you are least capable of knowing what you are posting or in comprehending what other's are posting. Neither appears one of your strong points.

My original question to you was what support do you offer to your statement that this was an outstanding recruiting class coming in. As a guise, you attempt to use SPC Fan's anaylsis comparing this team with last years. Never was it said that we fielded a better team the prior year. The only thing I will remind you of is that the earlier team had more experience than this years. This year, aside from Orta and Sowell, most of the contribution was expected from freshmen, some of whom may have been overhyped and/or may require more time to develop. Jenkins is making progress in his overall game, particularly in his attempt to go more to the basket. In high school, either because of lack of experience or development, he was considered or utilized as the team's primary outside shooter. He was not recruited for his ball handling or defensive strengths.

Yes, the staff must take responsibility for much of the disappointment. Unfortunately, your agenda is such that you only seem willing to lock your sights into the staff and athletic department as the cause for our ills.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Don't you get tired of deflection -- Peacock, Monday, January 28, 11:29:20pm [1]

When you boil it down, it is you who has little clue to what others are posting. You try to move topics away from any original intent. You thought yourself smart when you questioned the level of recruiting if an opinion is made and think you are just showing impartiality. No one needs imply what you are posting. You put it out in black and white and then back off claiming nothing more than an impartial observer.

As I said before you never impugned the status of the class prior to these discussions, but then you questioned where the resumes came from for that class as if you didn't know, implied that Lampley would not be there and was a problem, quoted info that only someone with a contact would know, and even today put forth a Bacon comment that only someone close would know. Yet you have denied contacts constantly.


By the way there was no guise, as your post could only elicit the critical response to your original post. Since you seem to forget, the theme of the posts were that this team should outperform last years which was being question.


The thing that is more amusing is that your responses have been totally defensive as I only asked a couple of simple questions and you needed to broaden them to show your own astuteness. But you expose yourself because my agenda never was against the staff as you claim, but to have the pompous ones acknowledge that they are responsible for what has been observed as a static system offense. Hell you even needed to indict Jenkins when I did nothing more than post that the staff only used him in a one dimensional mode, to which you needed to support it by claiming Jenkin's weaknesses. Hell your buddy, who has difficulty reading takes it that I called Jenkins one-dimensional, which shows the level of his reading skills. But in the end you went right up and justified the staff use of him with your ball handling comment. Now the last game showed he is pretty decent with the ball, as he was in high school. Of course you and you buddy attribute this to learning.

So I maintain that you have little to no veracity if it applies to your history or position. In fact I am not sure you ever had a position being the consummate water balloon who moves away from any direction there is pressure.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Don't you get tired of deflection -- oldtimer#1, Tuesday, January 29, 01:32:20am [1]

Peacock, you make it difficult to not respond when you bring my name into your posts even by inuendo. Reading the above post, I now apoligize for implying that your "watching" the team on radio has handicapped your assessment abilities. Given your latest posts, I can only conclude that even if you attended games that you would have no "clue" (your term). Your basketball IQ is that bad.




The above post indicates that again you have a very convenient and selective memory. Previously, you did not just post that the staff was misuing Jenkins. You questioned why Wesley had escaped criticism, claimed that the staff had made him a one dimensional player and stated outright that there was little contribution from his position this year. WRONG ON ALL COUNTS!




After your original stupidity was pointed out both Wesley and staff should have shut your mouth, given his performance on Sunday. But no, you try to twist, forget or explain away your original comments with your latest post.





You switch from unjustly criticizing Wesley and the staff by trying to pretend that you are his supporter. You now state that the last game shows that he is "pretty decent with the ball as he was in high school". Now I'll leave that high school debate between you and Sludge but it does prompt me to ask if you also "saw" his games on radio when he played in high school?





I never saw Wesley play in high school so I have no opinion on the subject but I can atleast point out your complete lack of knowledge. Understand that all players have certain areas that they need to improve. For all the great non-one dimensional things Wesley has done this year, he does have occassional problems with his handle. To date, WJ has thirty five turnovers, mostly either walking or palming violations when he makes his moves to the basket. I would explain this further but you would probably try to wiggle your way out of both the stupidity of your original post and now your non-sequitor attempt to explain yourself away. You're just digging a deeper hole for yourself!





Wesley is an outstanding player who was never one-dimensional. While not immune from the freshman learning experience he has performed well up to expectations this year. Try to give credit where credit is due, both to Wesley and the staff rather than use it to promote your new agenda. One can certainly criticize many of the events of this year but WJ may be one of our few bright spots.





I again tell you that I want to avoid dealing with .... like yourself. So please try to leave me out of your posts even by inuendo and I'll promise to overlook your ridiculous posts.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Don't you get tired of deflection -- oldtimer#1, Tuesday, January 29, 01:51:27am [1]

P.S. The staff never used Wesley in your contrived one-dimensional mode and Wesley and the staff just didn't wake up on Sunday and begin driving to the basket. He's been doing it all season long as a compliment to his primary weapon the three pointer. Just stupid!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Dealing with you is dealing with an already known liar -- Peacock, Tuesday, January 29, 12:16:13pm [1]

You did it in Leckie comment in the past when you invented a scenario and stated it as fact. I called you a fraud then and I do so today. Anything you write has a 50-50 chance of being either true or consistent.

Your powers of observation are nothing more than self serving. You make every event fit your point. You make a comment that nobody ever brought up Lampley as a guard when only a couple of days prior jajk suggested it and when it was discussed even prior to that you threw it off with your unequivocal point guard mentality of Leon versus the undisciplined nature of Lampley. You have backhandedly taken shots at Lampley and now all of sudden seem to backtrack when challenged by his supporters. Why does it take so long for you to even see what is obvious. Because you have no clue to what you see or what you read.

You also made many a comment that that you have no inside information or even talked with coaches, and now you are their town crier quoting consensus of Morton in your Leon defense. Probably fed Sludge his comment about Hogga being lost on defense, as that is more an inside comment than observation with his limited playing time. If you want to talk about lost, try analyzing Leon on defense.

As far as keeping quite, Jenkins finally starts making moves to the basket. Many who have seen him play made similar comment during the Siena garbage time game when he did so and wondered why he had not in the past. Your comment that he has been doing it as normal is another self serving comment by you. My point on Jenkins was no way criticizing him, but criticizing the use of him, not just in style but in substitution. However you have a need to twist it to your own need. As I said you have limited reading comprehension.

Your constant defense of a four win team is so foolish it makes you a true apologist. Yes I may say Wesley escapes criticism, but who on a four win team does not. When you have pundits like your self that make it a point to constantly go after certain players and leave others out it needs to be pointed out.

Probably the dumbest statement you have made as it involves more than the players, is that low level schools such as LIU, Monomouth, Tenn Martin, FDU etc have better guards than us. You expose your self, for who are the guards. Leon, Lampley, Jenkins and Spitler. Ever think before you post, I seriously doubt it.

In conclusion I have to assume that you are the buddy feeding Sludge his comments. I appreciate you confirming that suspicion.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Dealing with you is dealing with an already known liar -- oldtimer#1, Tuesday, January 29, 01:19:19pm [1]

Glad to see that you are venting. It will do you good! Atleast you didn't create some fictious posting names, as you have in the past, to attempt give yourself support. The put down style is unmistakenly yours as has been the phraseology. Strange that those fictious posters never appear again.



Regarding basketball I've already said my piece and never in a backhanded was. Your posts speak from themselves and the bitter fool that you are. The stupidity of your posts will be ignored. Go preach to another choir.

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