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[> [> Felician -- E++, Thursday, March 27, 10:42:11am [1]

That's what the kid said according to the Star-Ledger.

I have absolutely no inside information but I wonder if somebody is leaving. I can't believe that, given the crying need for size, Done would commit one of his only two remaining scholarships to a marginal player like this.

Ding-Dong,Ding-Dong,Ding-Dong,Ding-Dong,Ding-Dong,Ding-Dong,Ding-Dong,Ding-Dong,Ding-Dong,Ding-Dong,Ding-Dong.

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[> Re: Brandon Hall signs with SPC -- loyal, Thursday, March 27, 09:51:00am [1]

Assuming the above is accurate, we have Dunne's opinion on the viability of either Lampley or Leon playing the point.

Now, we have three 5'9" shooting guards (Leon, Lampley, Mumphord) essentially backing up Jenkins, the teams most solid returning player.

I want to believe better, but this seems reflective of a putzed up recruiting strategy @ the guard position.

Felician???????? :>(

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[> [> Re: Brandon Hall signs with SPC -- figgyprez, Thursday, March 27, 11:08:39am [1]

I've always said that Coaches Dunne, Morton and Anderson know what they see better than anyone on the board, but I admit that this one tests that confidence especially when more bigs are needed.I sure hope we are all smirking this time next year while we ask how did everyone missed on this kid, but that doesn't happen too often. Sigh.

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[> [> [> Re: Brandon Hall signs with SPC -- loyal, Thursday, March 27, 11:32:14am [1]

Agree, those guys have forgotten more about hoops than all of us know.
It's just that the need to recruit a PG when we desperately need front line players tells me the staff has little if any confidence their first two options (Leon and Lampley) at the point will pan out. Pointedly, it calls into question the evaluations of those players at this time last year, plus granting the scholarship to Mumphord. We certainly don't need three 5'9" guards backing up our best player (Jenkins).
Seems like a great big, "ooopsie!" to me...equivalent to saying the point guards we evaluated last year are so inadequate we will risk using a desperately needed ship, ideally targeted at front line players.

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[> [> [> [> Re: Brandon Hall signs with SPC -- The dollar menu, Thursday, March 27, 12:15:25pm [1]

Some schools get the McDonald's All Americans and some get the Chcken McNuggets

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[> [> [> [> A statement showing weakness in analysis -- Peacock, Thursday, March 27, 01:31:01pm [1]

"Agree, those guys have forgotten more about hoops than all of us know." is the refuge of many who actually have no clue. It is akin to motherhood and apple pie. There are many coaches who know more than all of us and can't perform as a coach in any area. Every time I see these types of statements I see people who just can't post with regard to issues other than either blind faith, hope or mis-direction. Right in your back yard you have Thomas of the Knicks who has more knowledge than those here.

That aside, judge Hall not on what you see in his recruiting. He played in a league that has no respect and actually gets little notice. Where were all the experts on Clark or for that matter on Curry. Now I am not promoting him, but the reason used here are weak. He has his issues, and I have yet to see one person cite them here. He is rated as a D1 ball handler and passer, and D1 defender (very important), but lacking in shot. His shooting is rated as D2. It is amazing how everyone slights Mumford and I expect they will Hall, yet have never seen them play. Dunne is making his bed and so far has been pretty sloppy. Much is going to depend on the development of those types of players because until he puts some wins on the boards he is not going to get any moderate studs. For those who champion extensions have no clue that losing as Dunne has doe so far reduces your chances of getting the better players. So beware of what you wish for, as you could have six consecutive years of single digit wins.

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[> [> [> [> [> Isn't Hall the subject here -- Peacock, Thursday, March 27, 02:39:38pm [1]

And to your credit, you correctly point out that we should not be too quick to judge the kid, citing other under value's such as Clark and Curry.

On the other hand (witness the other shoe dropping), it would be appropriate, (rather than use this as another attack), to allow the same measure of tolerance and patience for our Coach.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Correction: Above poster is me, not Peacock -- Sludge, Thursday, March 27, 02:42:15pm [1]

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> One must question your tolerance here. -- Peacock, Thursday, March 27, 04:03:13pm [1]

I am not calling for his head yet, but I also don't defend what has been a rather abysmal performance where yourself and other basketball knowledgable people have gone to extreme lengths to defend him.

Also nice to hear your quick to judement comment when I do believe you have judged Mumford with nothing more than someone else's opinion with out you having seen him play.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> You again avoid the point -- Sludge, Thursday, March 27, 10:33:31pm [1]

Why turn an examination of Hall into another slam on Dunne.

No extreme attempt on my part to defend John. More an attempt to keep some from repeatedly blaming our ills on one person.

Your memory must be short. I merely reported the views of others, more informed, and who had witnessed the play of Mumford. Ironic that someone who only received news accounts of Leon's play in the PSAL Championships would beat the drums prior to his arrival.

Wonder which of us judgemental types will be proven right on each of these kids.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> No turning the point -- Peacock, Friday, March 28, 12:19:15am [1]

In your continuing attempt to blame others you refuse to accept the fact that your inability to even consider any comments on Dunne as valid is blatant. Other than simple concessions, you cause more problems for Dunne by trying to deflect what has been obvious.

You have also assumed an all knowing attitude about what my position is. Only the self proclaimed impartial, or should I say incapable people of limited judgments, citing the need for others to give it to you, shows how little you really know. In addition, I never touted Leon in the PSAL playoffs but praised him for his total seasonal play. And I did it again when I commented on Dunn's misuse of him throughout the whole season. Even a blind man could see he was not even adequate at the point. Also I did note before he played a minute that he was not known as a PG being replaced quickly by another early in his HS senior season.

You also practiced mis-direction as I have neither praised nor condemned Mumford but in your infinite wisdom you claim "Wonder which of us judgmental types will be proven right on each of these kids." Trouble is you don't practice what you preach. You form opinions of others lacking anything of your own making. I only advise waiting to see how they do, something you in your great judgment can't do with the performance you have seen so far on Dunne but jumped right in on passing judgment on Lampley very early in the season. I guess it was those more informed people that see him in practice that helped you in this matter.

Hell you even have used the basketball knowledge comment in an attempt to establish your position. When one lacks substance resort to non-sequitor comments. In that you are the KING. One need not wonder why the state of golf courses is your province of expertise and dominated so many of your earlier posts.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: No turning the point -- oldtimer#1, Friday, March 28, 08:06:05am [1]

Peacock, although I agree with your assessment that Leon like Lampley is not a true point I question your statement that Dunne "misued" Nick last year. Given last years roster who would you have chosen to run point? A guy who had 85 assists and 91 turnovers (Leon) or a guy who had 48 assists and 72 turnovers (Lampley). A guy who shot .380 from the three or one who shot .294 from the three? While I totally agree with your assessment that we will not succeed with either at point, to criticize Dunne for misuse is not fair unless you can suggest a better alternative. And, by the way, Nick has taken more bashing (not by you) for his performance last year then he truly deserves. Better player than most give him credit for. My hope is that Brandon Hall is successful at point and that Nick and Darrell provide some quality minutes elsewhere.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: No turning the point -- loyal, Friday, March 28, 09:38:21am [1]

The minutes don't add up, assuming BH becomes the point guard sometime before he is a soph.
Jenkins is the "2". Period. With that cornerstone in place, Lampley and Leon are being recruited over....there is no other way to spin it....not when our front line needs are so acute.
If Hall plays 25-28 mintues at the point.....where are the minutes for Leon AND Lampley AND Mumphord in their junior and senior seasons?
My suspicion is one of the guards is leaving.....or will leave after this signing.
Optimal outcome = BH is the real deal, another scholarship frees up soon and with the two left we get a scoring "3" and a solid "5".....hey, it's March....we can dream!

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[> [> [> [> Re: Brandon Hall signs with SPC -- oldtimer#1, Thursday, March 27, 02:18:45pm [1]

Loyal, correct me if I'm wrong but my recollection of last year's recruiting was that Mumford was signed when the outlook for signing Lampley was quite questionable. The consensus of opinions posted at that time (see prior posts) was that since the Lampley situation looked none too good that Mumford was a necessary insurance policy.

When Lampley committed rather late Mumfords signing indeed became questionable. While not a big Lampley fan can you imagine the uproar from the few of the faithful that we passed up an All-State player because we already had two undersized guards! Another example of hindsight being 20/20. My point is that shit happens and have no problem (only regrets) in retrospect with how things developed. Having three undersized guards who were not really point guards (Mumford?) put us in a bad position.

Think everyone agrees that we don't really have a true point guard. Can't blame Dunne for trying to find one. The question is if Brandon Hall is the right choice. One other thought on this signing is if it indicates that someone will not return. No information on this but would make the signing more reasonable.

As far as "bigs" are concerned it has been posted that potential targets have been seen on a Visit. Problem is, which some seem to forget, that it's a difficult step from evaluating and targeting a prospect to signing one. With this I side with figgy in that these guys (the staff) have been out targeting potentials. My question is IF can they get a good one to commit. We are all waiting to see. BTW, the first signing date for basketball is April 16th so everthing is verbal until that date. That's when speculation should meet reality.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Brandon Hall signs with SPC -- loyal, Thursday, March 27, 02:48:39pm [1]

Assuming Brandon Hall is the PG of the future (huge assumption; let's hope Dunne is right) then potential minutes diminish big time for Leon, Lampley and Mumphord, as Jenkins is too small for the "3" on any consistent basis.

Let's assume Jenkins plays 30 mintues a game at the "2", and the PG (Hall) 25. That leaves 25 minutes to split among the Mumphord, Leon and Lampley. Let's speculate and say Mumphord is the odd man out. That leaves 12 minutes a game each, on average, for Leon and Lampley.

My guess is someone is leaving, either voluntarily or otherwise, based on the above.

Lord, do we need a "5" and "3" in the worst way.......let's hope Dunne can pull a rabbit or two out of the hat!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Brandon Hall signs with SPC -- figgyprez, Thursday, March 27, 05:21:51pm [1]

Loyal Just a thought. Maybe coach is envisioning a poor man's Villanova with all the guards except for Jenkins at the 1 and 2 while Jenkins and perhaps Hogga(if he's here) at 3 with Costner, Bacon, Shumate, Conley, Traore and our last recruit taking up the 4 and 5 spots. Hey it's not perfect or even correct, but it is a direction at least. This is based on nothing other than mental meandering, but hell what else is there to do until October?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Brandon Hall signs with SPC -- loyal, Thursday, March 27, 05:34:00pm [1]

Formula for perimeter defense that would be beat like a drum off the dribble and shot over the top of with ease, consistently.....with only Bacon to defend the front line...and the worst rebounding club in the MAAC, if not in Division One.
Any more talk of a three extension to avoid crippling our recruiting, Compadres?
This move screams, "my point guard recruiting last year was a disaster and we can't find good front line players for next season, though the hole in the middle we have now was clearly on the horizon from Day One of my tenure."
Dunne needs to sing for his supper over the next one or two seasons; period.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Brandon Hall signs with SPC -- jajk, Thursday, March 27, 06:06:47pm [1]

I think that is a possibility to be considered. May turn out to be a necessity . Certainly Villanova's four smalls were bigger and better than our guys but they did it against much better competition. Another possibility woud be the two fowards and three guards that Iona did so well with Burtt,etc. My only caveat here would be that it would require Dunne to coach the kind of game that he seems to have no like for, and we have to still wonder whether he has the ability for. Maybe with Sowell gone ,we will find out. That's why I like to think things might be less dark than some think . Of course one big ,mobile banger would make life a lot easier. Does anyone know anything about the lanky big (fryerson ?) from Newark Science that looked like he had decent upside from the game against Immaculata in the TOC. Not a banger now but if none are available,might be worth a shot for his upside.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Brandon Hall signs with SPC -- loyal, Thursday, March 27, 06:36:49pm [1]

I know our options, as currently constituted, are slim.....but..... but Lampley and Leon are very poor perimiter defenders....opponents guards would penetrate at will and score or dish off...with one (Bacon) adequate -only Division One capable defender on the back line.....we would stop no one and get creamed on the boards.

Unless our next player is a "3" who can step in and score right away or a big rebounder/defender at the "5"....both unlikely scenarios...it will be the play in round (SPC invitational) again for sure.

Darn!!!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Brandon Hall signs with SPC -- figgyprez, Friday, March 28, 11:18:46am [1]

I agree about style. But the question really is whether the staff can play a style which fits what they can recruit because it is less likely that at the SPC level we will play a style which kids will just yearn to play in since any style is available at more elegant places. It really is no different than at Seton Hall where Gonzo wants to press and run but will find it difficult to get the athletic bigs necessary for the back and front of that style. He will always beat SPC and St. Francis with it but he will never be more than middle bottom in the league causing him to flirt with the NIT but not the NCAA and eventually cost him his job. So the point is if SPC can recruit guards 3's and smaller, athletic 4 types we might as well play without a 5 and swarm with everyone else. To do it straight up will be a disaster as loyal suggests so we must change style to meet available assets. Frierson played courageously vs St. A in TOC title game but was overwhelmed by numbers and talent. Not a 5 but could be a slashing type 4.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Brandon Hall signs with SPC -- oldtimer#1, Friday, March 28, 12:42:51pm [1]

Excellent point! There are very few 5's out there and the MAAC in particular is not a league of 5's but rather rebounders who can slash and run. However, I do agree with Loyal that we need scoring power almost as much as we need rebounding. We also have a lot of unanswered questions on our bench. Hogga for one, and whether Gooding will continue to be a roll player or thrive in an uptempo game. Wish Leon had Lampley's quickness and Lampley had Leon's shot. Add to this the unknown skills of Conley and Hall and we have many unanswed questions.

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[> [> [> Re: Brandon Hall signs with SPC -- larryledgend, Thursday, April 24, 12:40:21am [1]

Brandon is a winner and will make everyone better. look at his record in HS. His father taught him to value his team and look to pass 1st. Howwver he needs to pick up his offensive game but he will start for 4 years and will be in SPC Hall of Fame!

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[> Re: Brandon Hall signs with SPC -- jajk, Thursday, March 27, 11:25:58am [1]

Brandon, welcome to the SPC community. I have read some of the really nice things that your coach has said about you as a player and as a person. I hope that your educational and basketball experiences are rewarding ones.

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[> [> Re: Brandon Hall signs with SPC -- E++, Thursday, March 27, 12:30:21pm [1]

Well said jajk. No comments made by me should be taken as a disparagement of Brandon. My frustration with Done's apparently failed guard-recruitment strategy and his apparent inability to recruit some desperately needed size should not be directed to a young man who according to all reports is a solid kid who will represent SPC well.

Further, everyone who reads this board is hoping against hope that he will prove to be a star in the MAAC. We all hope that he will use his "under-recruitment" as a tool to motivate his play.

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[> Re: Brandon Hall signs with SPC -- NickD, Thursday, March 27, 05:00:13pm [1]

I doubt if he plays much next year unless one or more of the "guards" leave. I think it is an alright pickup for us and if he develops well he should be as good as Bannon was after a very slow start from Verona..We already have 2 front cort verbals in Shumate and Conley. I would think the Last recruit will be another frontcourt player. We must remember we are SPC of the MAAC and we will get few if any blue chip players. We must see potential and then develop it into good players like Mark Murphy,Kevin Bannon,Kevin Rodgers,Jasper Walker,Phil Jamison and many others.

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[> [> Re: Brandon Hall signs with SPC -- loyal, Thursday, March 27, 05:21:38pm [1]

If we start the same point guards as this season, start Gooding at the "3" and a frosh at the "5", we are going to suck some major hind tit next season.
With one scholarship left, we still need a "3" that can score AND a rebounder to help Bacon....and we are staring down the barrel at having VERY limited scoring threats at the "3", "4" and "5".
The fact we needed to sign BH to play the point is major bad news, an early indication next season may be yet another disaster. It is a strong indication last year's guard recruiting was a washout...WTF, we already had Jenkins as a shooting guard.
This is not a good sign re: Dunne's ability to turn things around any time soon. I want him to do so in the worst way, but JD having to make this move is evidence that last year's roster constructing plans have been scuttled and he MAY just not have it in him.
Analogy: We've had nagging suspicions our wife was unfaithful....and we just caught her boinking the gardener.