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Date Posted: Saturday, January 12, 01:26:50am
Author: Cindy Crawford
Subject: Back from Poughkeepsie

Here's what I saw...
Twelve seconds into the game Sowell gets called for a defensive foul and it puts him into a shell.For at least the next 10 minutes of floor time he neither took it hard to the hoop,nor challenged the Marist inside game,knowing that the next call would bench him for the half.By the time he got his game back the Foxes were well on their way to a 20+ halftime lead.
But that was far from the only factor that put us in a hole.The Marist execution was excellent,striking at the heart of the SPC vulnerabilities.Since Brady has been coach,I've witness the same game plan against us .
Even now without Jorden,it's drive-penetrate and either dish underneath to a big man or kick out to a spotted up,unguarded 3-point shooter. It is not surprising with this game plan that they shot 56% including 47% from behind the arc effectively making it over by half.
This stategy was effective primarily because their front line was quicker and showed good hands ,spacing,and mobility than ours.While Sowell was hindered neither,Bacon,Hogga,nor Gooding was able to match up inside.Our guards also were slow to find the open wing men who were knocking down threes.
I'd like to see us try a similar offense,if we could get Lampley and Leon to penetrate and dish to the wings,where Orta,Jenkins and Hogga could spot up for open looks.
I wouldn't be as optimistic about Bacon or Traore finishing the inside game part however for neither seem to have a quick offensive release.
Marist also pressed early, and while we we successful in the most part, not turning it over(only 10 for the game) It did delay our starting our offense and frequently resulted our being left with less than a "choice" shot. I recall a heave as the shot clock ran down,by Gooding, whom I believe is about one for his career on threes.
And while defensively looking like the Washington Generals ,we only managed 4 pts from Leon and 4 from Gooding while Orta laid a goose egg...starters all three.
What were the positives,I won't go into details, but there was a very animated coach schooling his players early in the second half.
And admittedly much of the second frame was the second units,wes Jenkins showed signs of life with 5-10 shooting including 3-5 on threes.
Lampley played much more under control and although he shot only 5-14-most were good looks ,some rimming out.He had zero turnovers and chipped in with two steals and three boards---overall a solid performance'
Hogga nailed two long threes for 8 pts.
Costner had his best game as a Peacock with 8 pts on 2-4,4-4 and 4 boards in only 15 minutes. He looked much more at ease and may start to contribute as the season progresses.
Tim Spitler also did his thing...wiping out the telecast team with a bellyflop on the press table. He also had a team high 6 boards in only 17 minutes but had his usual problems getting his shots to stay down.
On the Marist side Jay Gavin ,in this game at least,looked to be the best frosh I've seen in the MAAC this year--hope he transfers out.
This game did not figure to be a win on the road and will be tough at home.
I would be more disappointed if Sunday's game on North avenue does not go down to the wire.

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[> Re: Back from Poughkeepsie -- EWR, Saturday, January 12, 11:10:48am [1]

"Dribble-penetration" works so well for so many teams that it's become the offensive stategy for many teams. Wonder why SPC doesn't utilize it, along with some defensive pressure in the backcourt? They just prefer to slug it out with their half-court sets and hope that their opponent misses more shots than they do.

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[> [> Re: Back from Poughkeepsie -- SPC Fan, Saturday, January 12, 11:20:24am [1]

exactly.

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[> [> [> Pose a question -- Peacock, Saturday, January 12, 01:12:16pm [1]

Everyone seemed to agree on Leon at the point. Problem has been his only decent games were against low level teams. In fact he has been more of a problem in getting anything going. Lampley on the other hand is more aggressive, and does seem to energize them more. The radio guys said as much last night. Kick the original choice and put Lampley at the PG. Can't hurt us anymore than we have seen so far. As much as most have criticized Lampley he brings intangibles to the table. Hell everyone keeps wanting Jenkins to shoot his way out of the slump but few step up for Lampley. Just love to hear the opinions.

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[> [> [> [> Re: Pose a question -- SPC Fan, Saturday, January 12, 01:35:14pm [1]

Agree.

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[> [> [> [> Re: Pose a question -- Pete Scerbo '85, Saturday, January 12, 03:42:10pm [1]

I agree as well.

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[> [> [> [> Re: Pose a question -- loyal, Saturday, January 12, 04:48:50pm [1]

Is it just the rust associated with a one year layoff, plus the adjustment to D1 that is tripping up Leon being consistent?

Or, do my fellow posters believe Leon is just not quick enough at his height to be consistently effective at this level, no matter the amount of experience?

My opinion is fluctuating, but my initial inclination was the latter.....hope I am wrong.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Pose a question -- Cindy Crawford, Saturday, January 12, 06:00:06pm [1]

Stats for both are similar in most categories. Agreed that Lamlpey more likely to make things happen, but to this point they always haven't been good ,though I do believe that will change with time. Both have an exactly 1:1 turnover to assist ratio,(uncharasteristicly Orta trails both).Leon is shooting 7% better both overall and beyong the arc.
Who starts may not be as important as when they play. I would think the quicker of the two, DL ,could do mare damage if he enters the game after the opponent is more fatigued.
Also at the end of a close game I would prefer Nick since he appears to be the superior free throw shooter and it's important when protecting the lead.Previously DL has shown a tendancy to fire it up quickly when we should have been killing clock.
It also might be true that they are most effective when playing when rested and for now it is still best to share the minutes.However, when things aren't working I guess you have to stir the pot.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Pose a question -- oldtimer#1, Sunday, January 13, 01:38:55am [1]

Cindy, interesting observation you made about Orta's assist/turnover ratio. From the games that I attended Orta was one of the few players attempting to get the ball inside to Sowell. As you know, while Sowell is a big target his lack of mobility often makes this a risky pass. Think ths accounts for many of Orta's turnovers.





Also what do you make of the Marist assist stats from our point guards? Leon two assists, Lampley none. Can't phathom only two assists out of that position from any team.

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[> [> [> [> Re: Pose a question -- Sludge, Saturday, January 12, 08:22:31pm [1]

How can one disagree with the radio guy.

Maybe I can sell you some intangibles.

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[> [> [> [> [> Please tell how -- Peacock, Saturday, January 12, 11:52:56pm [1]

I already own them.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Save them -- Sludge, Sunday, January 13, 10:23:36am [1]

They may help to substitute for good answers.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> No such things as only good answers -- Peacock, Sunday, January 13, 12:48:47pm [1]

Only answers. They can be either good or bad. One would think you understand that and not wait until you get answers you like.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> but it's those intangibles...... -- Sludge, Sunday, January 13, 12:56:00pm [1]

...not the answers, that make it happen ;-)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> From the quick response, I assume -- Peacock, Sunday, January 13, 01:09:28pm [1]

you are listening.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Rest assured -- Sludge, Sunday, January 13, 01:20:42pm [1]

To every good answer.

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[> [> Re: Back from Poughkeepsie -- oldtimer#1, Sunday, January 13, 12:40:05am [1]

Just back from AC. With all due resprect to my old friend Peacock, I would have predicted his call for Lampley to start over Leon as soon as this last game was over. Did we scrap the idea that Lampley could perhaps make his best contribution at #2. Poor Leon, several very good to outstanding games and two stinkers and some want him out! Inconsistant, definitely but better performances at point this year than anyone else.



That said, it may surprise to know that I am not necessarily in total disagreement. Perhaps things need to be shaken up, if only for changes sake. And why not give DL another chance to play point? I say another because DL has played a lot at point this year. Even started a game there. Let's just not pretend that he hasn't had his chances already.







However, let me remind our astute posters that some statements made above are not true. First, not true that Leon's only decent games were against low level teams. Had a great game against Providence and decent against several other good teams. Other than that we have only played against teams that both Leon and Lampley both have been less than spectacular.








As far as stats are concerned let me repeat the following statement made several weeks ago. Leon is a better shooter than Lampley. A poor shooter does not shoot Leon's percentage from the foul line. The kid can shoot. If you don't believe me go to a few practices and observe them first hand. Darrell is a scorer, more than shooter. Second, Leon drives to the basket and finishes the better of the two. Game after game, for those who have attended, has demonstrated this. Finally, Nick, to date, has more of a point guard mentality than DL. Only two games ago most of us were talking how Darrell might find his niche at #2. On Darrell's behalf, there is no question that his most valuable role is energy and explosiveness. If he ever began to penetrate and kick out his contribution could be tremendous. But the truth is that he hasn't been able to do that yet.







So there it is, changing the lineup is always a consideration when things are going this poorly. Let's just not begin to say things that aren't necessarily true. Again with due respect, what are these intangibles that one possesses and the other does not? And what is the meaning of aggressive? Simple words as "aggressive" often have different intrepretations. One persons view of agressiveness as a positive sign is another man's chucker.








Bottom line for me is that I'm getting tired of this Nick and Darrell thing. May surprise some to know that they seem to get along well and root for each other. Try Darrell but I still agree with Peacock's original proposition that his greatest potential is at #2. Don't even know if Nick is our long term solution at #1. Must also be confusing to Darrell "do you want me pass, or shoot or score ?". Needs to know his role.






One last point, I strongly agree with a post Sludge made very early on. I don't care WHO is at point but I don't want to see the inordinate amount of shots taken from that position that we have taken thus far this year. Ridiculous, to have that many shots taken by either to date. If either Lampley or Leon is going to play point I want assists not guys who shoot such low percentages combined with low assist totals. Check out the Marist box score and see how many assists we got from that position.







Don't want to make these guys the whipping boys. The entire team is not playing well. I'd rather root for all of them to put it together whether it's Orta, Jenkins, Leon , Lampley , Gooding, Sowell etc. We all have our favorites but right now we need everyone to play better. Winning has a way yielding positive posts. That's what I want.

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[> [> [> The only thing you are missing is an explanation -- Peacock, Sunday, January 13, 01:04:07pm [1]

for the lack of offense. We can beat around the bush all we want, but something deeper is wrong than just talking about players. Four of the last five game, Fairfield, Canisius, Siena and Marist they came out if they were surprised at what they faced.

As far as Leon goes, you still ignore his rather poor passing issues. Not inconsistent, but continuing. Also name the good teams he has those great games against. Hope you don't say LIU or FDU.

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[> [> [> [> Re: The only thing you are missing is an explanation -- oldtimer#1, Sunday, January 13, 01:45:43pm [1]

When things go as bad as they have,as you say there are plenty of questions to be asked. Assume that they are being asked internally as well. Let's see what develops.






With regard to your second point,I strongly indicated that the point guard position, no matter who has played it, generates too many shots and too little assists (passes as you say). That is the point we seem to miss in the Lampley/Leon discussion.

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