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Date Posted: Sun, August 02 2020, 10:10:09
Author: left-coast griff
Subject: Not so fast on D'Youville

Several posts on various threads praising D'Youville's administration over that of CC's may have been made in haste.

https://buffalonews.com/news/local/education/presidents-moves-at-dyouville-college-lead-to-lawsuits-unprecedented-staff-turnover/article_9ba59f64-d332-11ea-a433-a7650de4f345.html#tracking-source=home-trending

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[> Re: Not so fast on D'Youville -- Wake up Buffalo News, Mon, August 03 2020, 6:45:18

What are these schools supposed to do? They didn't plan COVID. Every school is cutting either faculty or sports. Our curriculum needs to be overhauled it's dated and one could argue that this should have been done years ago. Feel free to blame Demske, Cooke or Hurley. At the end of the day the school needs to figure this out to remain viable. I hate to see anyone lose their job. Let's hope that they figure it out quickly / correctly and next years Freshman enrollment provides the necessary up tick. Go Griffs!

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[> [> Re: Not so fast on D'Youville -- Griff72, Mon, August 03 2020, 15:01:43

Enrollment going forward is obviously the most important aspect by far of our continued viability, I assume it is a daily discussion point at the college and I agree that our curriculum and possibly our overall philosophy need revision, who you were in the past means nothing today, we can be proud of the schools history but we will not survive without change, we can look down on D'Youville and Daeman and others but the reality is that the curriculum they now offer is more appealing to many students and families than a liberal arts education at a higher cost. Canisius grew with the local catholic population which probably reached its high point in the 1960's, it was always a commuter school, not reliant on large percentages of resident students and it never had the resident school reputation of even a Bona or Niagara, so the challenge to now attract students from all over is a daunting challenge in a very competitive environment. The decline of student populations and the catholic ethic in our area mandates that Canisius changes, only hope it's not already to late!

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[> [> [> Re: Not so fast on D'Youville -- Spot on!, Mon, August 03 2020, 17:23:45

Believe me many of us have pushed the school to look at what Daemen & D’Youville has done with the physicians assistant program. We missed the boat because of pure ignorance and not listening. Well it’s time for the Board of Regents to get their head out of sand and expand their mindset. For me too many of those members are stuck in the past. Wake up, WNY is a nice place but we need to attract more kids outside of the 716. Go Griffs!

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[> [> [> [> Re: Not so fast on D'Youville -- CNY GRIFF, Tue, August 04 2020, 19:04:15

Not to nit pic, but the Board of Regents is advisory only. The Board of Trustees is the decision making group.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Not so fast on D'Youville -- Whatever, Thu, August 06 2020, 17:29:49

You got the point.

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[> Re: Not so fast on D'Youville -- BfloGriff, Tue, August 04 2020, 7:49:08

If you look in your way-back machine you may find the words to a song that went something like this,"I'm going to send my boy to Niagara down by the dirty cataract. I'm going to send my boy to Niagara and hope he don't come back. I'm going to send my boy to Niagara where the will educate him well, like Hell!"The rest escapes me at the moment,but there was a similar song for Bona," down by the dirty railroad track",etc. I recall a similar one-something about at Jefferson and Main. The large and enthusiastic student body sang to those of SBU and NU on Saturday nights at the Aud. I think some of our dates (many from D'Youville or Rosary Hill,n/k/a Daemen) joined in. Men were men at CC and women were women at DYC and RH.Men were also men at NU and SBU.That may be a big reason why so many of us showed up for the games. Those of us from CC had a Liberal Arts core to our curriculum, no matter what our major was to be. For a BA degree Latin or Greek was required. Even with an English or History major you received a BS degree if you passed on the ancient languages.Either way I continue to believe that we all were better for the core that we all took while also pursuing our chosen major. But times change, as they have for colleges like Canisius. Maybe Bona and NU have, or have started to. D'Youville and Daemen f/k/a Rosary Hill already have. Canisius needs to adapt. We seem to have started with the new PA major. I understand our Jesuit identity will will remain. I hope that there will be a core of Liberal Arts courses available to all students regardless of ultimate major(at least for the first year or two).But will it be required or will in be through elective minors? Done right (and I don't profess to know what that is), that can set CC apart from the rest of the pack IMO. There has been some references to the cost of a Canisius education. The Tuition at the schools under discussion appear to be:NU,$33,180.00,SBU$32,366.00,Daemen $28,580.00,$28,488.00,D'Youville $26,750.00. I suspect room an board and other expenses pretty much track the tuition. Jefferson and Main appears to stack up pretty with the dirty cataract and the dirty railroad track and the rest. Let's pray to St. Peter Canisius that our Powers That Be get what needs to be done, done right. I think they will, especially in todays' City of Buffalo.

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[> [> Re: Not so fast on D'Youville -- BfloGriff, Tue, August 04 2020, 11:53:58

The $28,488.00 is CC.

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[> [> Re: Not so fast on D'Youville -- Well said, Tue, August 04 2020, 16:03:38

Time for CC to step up. Go Griffs!

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[> Re: Not so fast on D'Youville -- Failure is not an option..., Tue, August 04 2020, 17:48:36

For me, I'm frustrated by YEARS AND YEARS of apathy across campus. The efforts to break into new recruiting territory, sustain new student experiences, develop young alumni into major donors just crumble at the first sign of resistance or challenge. We built a Tim Hortons in the library but miss the big picture of campus community and shared identity.

Worst of all, if you talk to anyone in the PR/Marketing Department, the official answer is, "we're making adjustments, we'll be stronger." The college needs to admit that it's in trouble, engage their students, their alumni, their community, and turn this mess around.

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[> [> Re: Not so fast on D'Youville -- Not sure we have the right people in these positions, Wed, August 05 2020, 10:37:16

Sorry but we still have folks at the college that want to market the school via only direct mail. I know that Buffalo is in a bit of a time warp but come on now it’s not 1980. We also need a Board of Directors who are progressive vs. those that only think short term. Wake up Canisius, you can do this.

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[> [> [> Re: Not so fast on D'Youville -- Greg, Thu, August 06 2020, 4:33:26

Hurley has been a disaster as president of CC. He doesn’t have the vision needed for the school to succeed going forward

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[> [> [> [> Re: Not so fast on D'Youville -- The school needs to make a call., Thu, August 06 2020, 11:28:32

Stick with the guy or bring in someone who inherits the mess. Tough call, who would want to accept this challenge. St. Peter pray for us. Go Griffs!

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