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Date Posted: Mon, January 04 2021, 5:03:25
Author: o a
Subject: to prove my point

after the 2 disastrous losses to monmouth there were around 40 very negative posts calling for the removal of virtually everyone, after the 2 wins over st petes there was 5 positive posts and one very bizarre one by cager who posted white was player of game, he still has not explained that one, some one recently posted the records of most cc coaches since 1950, and the 70 year win lost record is under 500%, look after every loss there will be around 5x's as many negative posts than after a win, all i'm saying is this board rather be negative than positive, granted there is not much to be positive about, but look at the past 70 years 2 ncaa appearances and two nit appearances, nobody in wny cares about cc bball, after 2 st pete games, there was hardly any tv coverage , i don't think 4,7, or 9 even covered them, the snooze won't even send a reporter to the game, when fans are allowed very few students or alumni show up, personally i am not a big fan of rw, but if any of you think there will be a better replacement if he is fired you live in a dream world, look how long it took to replace zeh and what did they get, the candidates for thee cc job will not be exciting, think of this of over the 350 div 1 bb teams how many have a losing record for the past 70 or so years?, this program has been and is doomed to mediocrity

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[> Re: to prove my point -- Don't agree, Mon, January 04 2021, 7:31:39

Buffalo is a pro sports town for sure but there is no reason that the Griffs can't be part of the local media coverage. The Buffalo News has a skeleton crew and they're going to cover the pro teams and the college teams that are winning. When Beilein & Baron coached the Griffs we got coverage.

Alums care because they remember what it was once like. Current students have no baseline and the school doesn't put forth the effort to build a sports culture within the Canisius brand. Look at Bona they have built their brand around basketball. Siena has done the same thing. This is evident from their website, social media and alumni relations.

We haven't kept up with what others are doing. KAC was fine in the 70"s but we need to have a plan for now. Not sure why we pushed so hard to get Science Hall done without a major donor. We're still looking to get this project finished. If it was a next phase of KAC 2.0 it would have been done by now.

Yes things have changed due to COVID but we have a bigger problem. The school needs a long term vision which motivates and inspires potential students / alums. Just managing the present isn't a strategy it's short term & tactical.

One could argue that the high school has done a better job marketing their brand & athletics.

Who knows what the future holds for RW but whatever we decide to do it needs to be connected to a long term strategic plan and should be mapped out against specific goals and programs which we aspire to become.

Go Griffs & St. Peter Canisius pray for us.

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[> [> UB -- GoldenGriff32, Wed, January 06 2021, 3:26:40

Another UB player arrested, this one quit the team in December. So far they had the 1 guy who stabbed Scott and this one was charged for kidnapping and assault. Good people, good people UB.

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[> [> [> Re: UB -- BBD, Wed, January 06 2021, 13:01:32

What is wrong with the coaching staff at UB. They are turning out criminals. Not basketball players.

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[> [> [> Re: UB -- BB, Wed, January 06 2021, 14:17:35

And the Buffalo News will still cover them first.

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[> [> [> Re: UB -- Tanner, Fri, January 08 2021, 18:35:48

NCAA must investigate this program

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[> Re: to prove my point -- Joe, Mon, January 04 2021, 8:09:04

If one looks at the schools in the MAAC now, and then look at where they were 60+ years ago vis a vis Canisius, it is UN fathomable that anyone 60+ years ago would have foreseen the mediocrity that awaited the Canisius men’s’ basketball program. In the mid to late 1950’s Canisius was a very competitive program, which went to 3 straight NCAA tournaments and actually won games in all 3 years.
Monmouth, Rider, Siena, Iona...? Those schools may not even existed back then for all I know. It is sad. Don’t blame RW, just as it would be unfair to blame any individual coach during this long slide to insignificance.

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[> [> Re: to prove my point -- Well said Joe, Mon, January 04 2021, 9:30:01

We need to embrace our history and look to revive it. Go Griffs!

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[> [> [> Re: to prove my point -- GoldenGriff32, Tue, January 05 2021, 3:47:35

Those Beilein years were great, 1 NCAA bid,2 NIT's including a Final 4 berth. Meeks,Barley, Wise, what a threesome. The Jimmy Baron years brought the 2nd greatest Griff after Larry Fogle.How enjoyable, even though they didn't make the big tournament, the Griffs played in 3 straight CIT's with multiple wins. Will never forget the Youngstown st. game winning in ot after being down by 20 something.I think Billy had 30.Now it seems like Reggie looks to run the best player off the team, Robertson, Reese,Molson

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[> [> [> [> Re: to prove my point -- Nice job of connecting the dots., Tue, January 05 2021, 14:04:47

We’ve had success but we’re now stuck in neutral and sliding backwards. How we all hope that there will be a change. Give me a Patrick Beilein or a Jimmy Baron.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: to prove my point -- Pat Beilein and Jimmy Baron?, Wed, January 06 2021, 8:00:43

You all realize that Baron Jr. has zero coaching experience and that Beilein and Niagara parted ways (and for less than wholesome reasons), right?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: to prove my point -- Griffs2020, Wed, January 06 2021, 20:08:26

They don’t. PB will need to earn his way back into good graces for awhile before any school gives him another shot at HC, and JBJ will have to serve some time as an assistant before getting a head job. But this board is obsessed with those two last names.

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[> Re: to prove my point -- Cooper Park, Fri, January 08 2021, 5:31:13

I would take Barons 11 year pro career along with his 4 at URI.And playing for his pop as plenty of experience he was a coach on the floor.He has many connections and would have no problem getting excellent assistance coaches who have been around.

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