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Date Posted: 05:48:20 10/20/02 Sun
Author: John Wheeler
Author Host/IP: 1Cust60.tnt6.west-houston2.tx.da.uu.net / 67.209.109.60
Subject: Interesting...
In reply to: Spacedone 's message, "Re: Liberal libel?" on 14:52:08 07/04/02 Thu

...you're at least moderately authoritarian concerning children and rather strongly libertarian concerning adults. The paragraph below proves the point:

i believe children should be kept close and watched closer i believe that children should not be allowed to run free or do everything they want i believe a adult should be allowed to do anything they want as long as it doesnt affect me or mine personally... i find it acceptable to smoke pot yet i find it insulting for a fat obese crooked politition to think he can tell me how i must live for my own good...

This is not liberalism versus conservatism, but authoritarianism (an emphasis on authority and personal responsibilities) versus libertarianism (an emphasis on freedom and personal rights).

most "liberals" are more conservative than the "conservatives" in many things that affect there lives or there childrens lives... i find it acceptable for the slave like employee to take from work what he needs to survive but insulting that megarich coorperations steal from there workers and no one cares... it seems if you want everyone to be treated equal with personal freedom your a dreaded nasty soulless demon worshiping liberal yet if your a lying cheating money grabbing from the poor politition or republican then thats acceptable and your a conservative....

There is nothing "conservative" about stealing from your employer in the name of supplying your personal needs. That is liberal, and in the worst way. It is just as wrong as an employer denying that the laborer deserves his wages in the name of conservatism. Meanwhile, once again, please don't confuse a desire for personal freedom with liberalism; that is libertarianism.

Now a desire for equality...in what sense? Equality under the law (justice)? Conservatives and liberals alike can desire that with equal fervor, and the same is true of authoritarians and libertarians. A desire for justice transcends those categories. Equality of rank? That would be ultra-libertarianism, I think: impractical, as in any society someone must (and inevitably will) lead.

A lie is a lie is a lie, no matter who tells it, and therefore wrong. In this case, proper investigation shows that this so-called "study" is indeed a lie. Since it's so obvious a lie, and so obviously designed to put Republicans in general and George W. Bush Jr. in particular in a bad light and Democrats in a very good light, it is very likely a case of libel or slander by some anti-Republican author (probably a Democrat). But no one is saying a similar stunt by some Republican author wouldn't be just as wrong.

John Wheeler

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