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Date Posted:15:18:44 09/10/02 Tue Author: Sinead Author Host/IP: babc273-0801-dhcp62.bu.edu / 168.122.206.62 Subject: Re: Children and fannish responsibility In reply to:
Laura
's message, "Children and fannish responsibility" on 13:33:40 09/10/02 Tue
>Gee, at this point it seems like we should start a
>club :) One about fannish ethics at any rate... I
>think this is one of the few boards out on the Net
>that says anything like that but well yeah.
ooh that's a good idea... because most of the clubs that I was looking for are either anti-Harry Potter ( I like HP so no go) or the rest but they have the people who believe I'm the evil Monster of HP Fandom. I may have to create a whole new identity though just to avoid "them".
>Probably. I think I was either as Michela Ecks or
>Bouncing Purple Popple.
Michela Ecks I recognise, I may have been distracted by my then boyfriend (now fiancé) whom I had just met in person last year before the Cassiegate happened.
>Ah... I used to hang around in a chat room where we
>said similar stuff. I was always surprised that the
>HP4GU room wasn't open 24 hours a day because I would
>have enjoyed that.
The reason why it was only on Sundays was because that's pretty much the only time everyone had a day off from. They moved the chatroom after I tried to find out why I was kicked out and refused to give any explanation other than "We don't give evidence to criminals".
>That's weird. Most of the people I hang out with on
>the Internet are people I can happily praise because
>they are genuinely NICE people. I have friends
>on-line who don't care about stuff I do and they are
>great relationships and among my most cherished
>because they have no aspect of use/use which seems to
>happen a lot on the Internet. I've made a few other
>friends through projects. If I couldn't stand a
>person, I don't think I could work with them for
>something in my free time. It would just suck all the
>fun out of fandom and make it work, not fun. (So far,
>my site is a lot of fun. I love it and I'm willing to
>spend two hours a day on it.)
The fun has already been sucked out of HPFGU since January of 2001 because more and more people were joining and they had a growing list of helpers and admins (30 or so I think) and the admins had differing views on several things. For example, when I was kicked out of HPFGU, I only got notices from two admins and they were directly through the chatroom. I got a notice from one admin I had considered levelheaded through an email after I was kicked out so 3 out of the 10 or so admins told me basically to *f- off*.
here's a tidbit from the chatscript I kept:
John Walton: Sinead, just fuck off. You're not welcome in our community any more.
Michelle A: We'd rather have you out of here, Sinead. Just go because you will never be wanted again.
Stacey : Sinead, I really hope you're sitting in front of your computer and crying your eyes out right now. Because you fucking deserve it.
Need I say more? That was the send off they gave me. And I then had no clue what they were kicking me out for until later in the chatroom. I lost 10 pounds because I was so upset afterwards and had to go to a counselor because I got so paranoid about them stalking me.
I had used the chatscript as evidence plus e-mails. IMs are questionable unless you press a notify button which I did for an IM they had sent as evidence and AOL had verified was falsified. They just don't listen, they refuse to budge from their view of me. I don't really care about them now, I'm moving on with my life and planning to get married to my fiancé (whom I met in the chatroom, we're considered the first love match of the HP fandom lol)
>I just get really confused because it seems hard to
>believe there could be people that nasty out there
>that often... What's the point? It's not ethical.
>It's not really moral. It doesn't seem like it would
>be all that fun. (Or, I'm reading this great book
>about how striving for money and fame doesn't equate
>with happiness. I'm confused because if they are
>doing that, it doesn't seem like it would make them
>happy unless they were getting some sort of
>maschochist pleasure out of it.)
Yep and see above for example of how nasty they can get.
>I remember hearing some sort of rumor about that...
>and was disturbed.
and I didn't understand why Ca Cole and CC were friends. Friendly maybe, but probably not enough to meet up.
>What did you do to them???
I had made a lot of friends on the list and they thought the way I was kicked out was cruel and unjust so they left. the friends of mine who were friends of CC backstabbed me and sided with HPFGU. As you can imagine, that made me upset.
>There was one after the whole incident went down who
>sent me a private e-mail saying not all the staff were
>supporters of CC and plaigarism.
Even Simon B. who CC really likes, doesn't like CC. But he has her fooled just because he's in a load of fics.
>That was on PoU. I posted the extracts ON LIST.
>People still couldn't see it.
I tried posting the chatscript on list on OT chatter but they threatened to shut down my yahoo account if I even tried to come back. They use IP addresses to overdrive really. If someone from my Uni, without the knowledge of me (it's a huge Uni) had joined the club and said a simple hello and they check the IP addy and find that it's from my Uni they'd promptly kick that person out, without a second thought.
>I am on or was on the great lakes regional list. I
>never could make their meet up though I would have
>liked to just so I could meet people. I liked the OT
>list for adults but it was hard. Still on the main
>one just in case I need info about HP.
You must know about Ebony then? She was in the chatroom the day I was kicked out and told the room I had confessed to her about hacking through IM and they believed her and told her to tell all and she called me a flat out liar and the IM transcript she claimed she had never materialised. I only talked to her twice on IM and it was never about the hacking, only about my relationship or her stories. She seemed to be one of the brighter people on the list (a teacher) and seemed to be the nicest and cheeriest people in the chatroom.
>I knew she didn't have disclaimers as I was told of
>the situation as it was going down... I know in her
>many foreign versions of it, there are no disclaimers
>and on Ryhsenn's private tripod page, there are no
>disclaimers. (Really, some one should e-mail Pamela
>Dean again and ask about that. I'm guessing that
>Cassie lied about that or the author lacked follow up.)
No disclaimers were added in the original releases of her stories on the various groups she was on. Only the Fiction Alley site.
>Ah... That's... sad... really sad. Even my
>incredibly large inflated ego isn't that large that I
>need to do that. (FD.Net isn't about ego but rather
>about need of that sort of archive, and meeting my own
>moral and ethical constraints.) (Side note, though
>praise would wait... no... Thanks is good.) (Praise
>could mean fan fiction like that Xing from FF.Net had
>involving poorly written authorfic where Xing had
>children.)
It's good to have a ego but C's ego is so big it doesn't even fit through the doorway. Some of the poorly written fics on FF.net recieved little or no responses on the message board.
>Huh. My best friends beta for me because they can be
>the most brutely honest with me. I choose them for
>that reason. I don't like being lied to. Our
>friendships are better for that.
*shrugs* to this point I don't understand why they are friends over at FA and HPFGU.
>She claimed to never have recieved it and people
>roasted me for not being more urgent in telling her.
To this one I say, Um... C should have learned her lesson but she's still continuing her practises over at FA. They needent have roasted you or kicked you out, it's just an unfounded accusation really, but then they like to make up things and won't budge on their opinions when it is obviously that they were WRONG. It's like I went to hs with this guy who thought he was right in thinking exercise was incredibly bad for you (he was the computer whiz and aced every test and was on honour roll) and I told him he was wrong and he automatically unfriended me. It's strange isn't it?
>She wanted to be on staff at WU when it was on FF.Net
>BADLY REALLY BADLY. I never considered that a good
>idea as she set off warning bells and was really too
>young. She got on staff at FF.Net in charge of the
>Terms of Service. Like what the heck?
I've always thought Flourish was too young for things but she's good at making herself look more mature online and rubbing the right way with people in order to get on staff or to work on things. It's the same with Rex, a spoiled brat I used to work with and he was 13 when he joined the staff of FA. Apparently John (21) and Rex like each other but one to his own and not my business.
>I've heard bigger links between Flourish/Fiction Alley
>and Flourish/Heidi. She was the impetus for FA.Org.
She knows how to do web design really well which is surprising for a girl of her age. She had a website called alohomora.com and it was really well designed. She brags about it most of the time and that's how she got to work with John (also does web design, like his livejournal) and others. But I think she's a bit too young to partake in web activity like FA.org. They need rational, and older, people to do those web things.
I may be wrong but I've heard that FA.org let stories in that really slammed on my individual self. Is this ethical or even legal?
>Massive suckage. I think their problem is that they
>have offended so many people that their actions are
>being so heavily scrutunized for stuff that people can
>report THEM for because I can think of TWO people,
>probably closer to three or four who I KNOW reported
>them.
I've also wondered about their sponsors, don't they have Warner sponsoring them now? I really didn't see anything but I remember looking on H.T.'s lj that Warner Bros let them advertise WB on FA.org. I might be wrong.
>Oh... I pictured her as sort of tall and brunette and
>skinny and.. sort of like a Georgia from Ally McBeal
>type character...
Yep, and they all picture John as the the muscly looking Hagrid when he's really an obese guy who clutches his chest when he walks one block in NYC. That's the consequences of not really having a life outside of HP besides school.
>My dealings with her have been hypocritical? I get
>told two different things at different times and well,
>yeah. That's it. I don't know how to view as other
>than the worst type of hypocrit for not acknowledging
>her hypocrisy. Orginally she told me that fan fiction
>WAS legal and then she said after the CC plagiarism
>thing went down that it wasn't so what did plagiarism
>matter?
That's Heidi, she's always defending CC but yet saying plagiarism is bad. She even told me I mispelled "gavel" and said I meant to "grovel to us". It's like she wanted me to beg and plead to come back in the club, but NO WAY!
>I agree. I just think that while we give them those
>options, we should have alternatives for the younger
>set of fen out their who aren't yet ready to be
>exposed to that... (If I was a parent, I wouldn't
>want my kid reading at FanFiction.Net with out sitting
>right there.) Creating an archive to supplement the
>fannish stuff out there with just g rated fic would do
>that. You wouldn't have to force them to go there.
>You would just know that if it was there, you'd only
>read fics that were pretty much nonoffensive. It
>would make fen look good because it says "We care."
>and say "We know about your concerns." All in all,
>very good publicity for fan fiction writers and make
>us appear less sex obsessed. Plus it would give
>writers that were younger a chance to perfect their
>craft and give more erm conservative or older writers
>a chance to post their g rated fic to an audience that
>would be extremely appreciative of that material.
Or like on FF.net they had that sign that would show up whenever it was a NC-17 fic, "Click OK if you're 18 and older"? But it really didn't deter under 18s from looking at them.
