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Date Posted: 11/21/01 14:26:29
Author: abdireyim
Subject: UKY diki herplening tizilishi we elipbe naxshisi

Salam Erdem, Boran we bashqa tordashlar,

UKY ning tizilishi nahayiti muhim. Bolupmu uchurlarni sortlashlar, Lughet tuzush we izdesh digendek sahede ipadisini tapidu. Undaq bolghan iken nurghunlighan programilar Englishche ABC ning tizilishi boyiche boludu, undaq bolmaydiken biz bashtin yengi programilarni yezishimiz kerek, bu ishrapchiliq hem hajetsiz. Bizning tallishimizla bu mesilini hel qilidu. Shuning uchun biz UKY ning tizilishini choqum, Latin herplirining tizilishi boyiche bolushi kerek, latin heripini qobul qilip, uning tizilishini qobul qilmisaq, xuddi "kastom kiyip xey kiyiwalghangha" oxshash ish. ABC naxshisigha mas kelmeydiken dep bana korsitish yuzeki qarash, chunki ABC naxshisining melodiyesi intayin addi 4/4 takitlik bir melodiye, uninggha 32 herpni qoshush addi ish. Shundaq murekkep bolghan chetel naxshilirigha soz qoshup, xuddi Uyghurning naxshisi qilip eytalaydighan Uyghurlar ABC naxshisigha kelgende, tosulup qalamdu?
Yene C,V ning UKY diki orun mesilisi bek muhim mesililerning biri, biz UKY da yoq herplerni ABC naxshisinila dep qoshup qoyushqa bolmaydu. Bundaq digenlik C,V ni ishletmeymiz digenlik emes. Ular jedwelning sirtidiki eskertishte bolushi kerek, "Esketish:C,V lar chet tilidin kirgen sozluklerge ishlitilidu." depla qoyush kupaye. Bu toghurluq Erdem ning pikiri orunluq yeni:
>>>Erdem:....Elipbede oxshash oqulidighan ikki herpning mewjut bolishi yeziqimizdiki birliksizlikni kelturup chiqirishi mumkin. >>>>>

Shuni untup qalmayli, UYY(Uyghur Yengi Yeziqi) da Uyghur tilida mewjut bolmighan herplerni mejburi qoshup qoyulghan ish bolsa UYY ning meghlup bolushidiki seweplerning biri emes digilimu bolmaydu. Yene kelip oxshash UKY jedwilide oxshash tawushluq herplerning bolushi kishilerni ganggiritidu. Bolupmu, yengi sawap chiqarghuchilar uchun teximu shundaq. Shundaqla, kishilerge mujumel oqum beridu."He Uyghur tilida 34 herp barkende?!"

Bahsqa tillarni misal qilsaq ozide yoq herplerni qoshuwalidighan ish yoq. Undaqta bu tillar ABC naxshisiz qalmaptighu?!

Alban elipbesi:
>>a, b, c, ç, d, dh, e, ë, f, g, gj, h, i, j, k, l, ll, m,n, nj, o, p, q, r, rr, s, sh, t, th, u, v, x, xh, y, z, zh>>>
http://www.albanian.com/main/culture/language/alphabet.html

Alban elipbeside jemi 36 herp bolup, qosh herpler intayin kop tillarnig biri(dh,gj,ll,nj,rr,sh,th,xh,zh) ular hechqachan qosh herplerni addilashturayli digini yoq, chunki qandaq nuxti nezerning bolushning qetti nezer, yeziqning muqimlighi intayin muhim. Ularnig elipbeside "w" yoq. Hem elipbesige "w" qoshuwalghini yoq. Lekin birliklerde, xas isimlarda ishlitidu. Bizmu shundaq qilimiz dewatimiz, xas isimlar, birlik we chet tilidin kirgen isimlargha ishlitimiz didiqqu, lekin C,V UKY herplirining qatarida turmaslighi we naxshisidimu turmaslighi kerek, peqetla eskertishte bolushi kerek.

Henzu tili pingyini:
a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,w,x,y,z

Pinyin elipbede: "V" yoq, lekin uni Henzularmu birliklerde ishlitidu. Ular "V" ni Pinyingha qetiwalghini yoq.

Italian elipbeside:

a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,z

http://www.locuta.com/alf.html

Italian tilida 21 herp bolup, "j, w, x, y, k" yoq. Lekin ularni chet tilidin kirgen sozlerge ishlitidu. Ular yuqarqi herplerni Elipbege qatqini yoq>>>The letter of the Italian alphabet are 21. Five letters (j, w, x, y and k) are used only in foreign words. The sounds produced by the 21 letters are more than 21. To represent them it is used the fonetic alphabet.>>>

Turkche elipbe:

a,b,c,ç,d,e,f,g,ğ, h,I,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,ö,p,r,s,ş,t,u,ü,v,y,z

http://www.turkishlingua.com/alphabet.html

29 herp bar bolup, "q,w,x" ler yoq. Elipbe jedwilidimu bu herpler korunmeydu. Bularmu bashqilargha oxshash naxshisiz qalghini yoq.

Latvian elipbesi: "q,w,x" yoq.
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/latvian.htm

Lithuanian elipbeside:

a,ą,b,c,č,d,e,ę,ė,f,g,h,i,Įj,k,l,m,n,o,ö,p,r,s,Š,t,u,ų,ū,v,z,ž

http://www.indem.ru/lt/alphabet%5Calphabet.htm

Yuqarqi elipbede, "q,w,x,y" yoq. Undaqta ular x,y larni ishletmemdu? Elwette chetel tillirigha ishlitidu, lelin buni dep ular yuqarqi herplerni Elipbesige qetiwalghili yoq.

Portugal elipbesi

A B C D E F G H I J L M N O P Q R S T U V X Z

http://www.sonia-portuguese.com/text/introduction.htm#The Portuguese Alphabet

Portigal elipbeside 23 herp bolup: "W,Y" yoq bolushtin sirt "K" mu yoq texi. Lekin ularni ayrim ehwallarda mesilen birlik we xas isimlarda ishlitidu<>>

.............

Dimek bundaq misallar intayin kop, hemmisini kelturush hajetsi. Yuqarqi elipbelerdin shuni bayqaysiz, qandaq ghelite herplerning bolushidin qetti nezer tizilishi bolsa latin heripi boyiche bolidu. Yeni shu ozgertilgen herp bola esli sheklining aqqida tizilidu.Mesilen:(o,ö). Bundaq qilishning alahidiliklirini bolmighan bolsa shunchilik kop milletler herplirini yuqarqidek tizmighan bolatti. Mesilen: Bu murekkep Czech elipbesini korung.

a á b c *č d *ď e é *ě f g h i í j k l m n *ň o ó p r *ř s *š t *ť u ú *ů v w x y ý z *ž
http://www.mtranslations.cz/30/en/dictionary/alphabet.htm

Wengiriye tili elipbesi:
a, á, b, c, cs, d, dz, dzs, e, é, f, g, gy, h, i, í,j, k,l,ly,m,n,ny,o,ó, ö, ő, p, q, r, s, sz, t, ty, u, ú,ü, ű,v, w, x, y, z, zs

herf="http://www.iwanet.org/languagecentre/committees/hungarian/alphabet.html

Intayin murekkep elipbe. Tizilishi elwette ABC boyiche. Nurghunlighan qosh herpler,lekin ular ozgertimiz digini yoq. Chunki yenila, muqimliq we izchilliq intayin muhim.

Spanche elipbe:
a, b, c, ch, d, e, f, g, h, i, j, k, l, ll, m, n, ñ, o, p, q, r, s, t, u, v, w, x, y, z

Vetmanche Elipbe:
aA åÅ â bB cC dD ðÐ eE êÊ gG hH iI kK lL mM nN oO ôÔ ½´ pP qQ rR sS tT uU ß¿ vV xX yY

.............
Yuqarqidek misallar yene kop.

Qisqisi: Dunyadiki mutleq kop tillarda latin yeziqining qandaq ozgergen shekli bolushidin qetti nezer, tizilishi bolsa latin yeqiqining tertiwi boyiche yazidu. Bu omumliship ketken nerse, bizmu UKY ning tertiwini towendikidek elishimiz kerek.

Uyghur tili UKY:
a, b,ch, d, e,é, f, g, gh, h, i, j, k, l, m, n, ng, o, ö, p, q, r, s,sh, t, u,ü, w, x, y, z

we Eskertishte:

Uyghur Komputer Yeziqida(UKY) 31 herp bar bolup, Englishchidiki "c,v" yoq lekin bu ikki herp chet tilidin kirgen sozlerde we xelqaraliq birliklerde ishlitilidu,( mesilen: volt,cm). "j" bolsa ikki xil oqulidu(misal: jemiyet, jornal). UKY da qosh herplerdin toti bar ular: ch,gh,ng,sh.
>>>In UKY(Uyghur Latin Alphabet), there are 31 letters. The letter "j" has two phonetic sounds(values): One is as the "j" sound in "jam", the other is as the "s" in "treasure". The letters "c" and "v" do not belong to the Uyghur Latin Alphabet, but they can be used in names (Vetnam,vitamin, Cai Jun,ect) or with international terms (cm/volt, etc.). There are four grouped consonants in UKY: They are ch,gh,ng and sh.>>>

....dep otup ketsekla bolidu.

Emdi elipbe naxshisi mesilisige kelsek.

English elipbe naxshisi: "Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star" digen melodiyedin paydilanghan bolup.

C=4/4

1 1 5 5 | 6 6 5 - | 4 4 3 3 | 2 2 1 - |

a b c d e f g h i j k l m n
.......

Uni UKY bilen soz qoshsaq

C=4/4

1 1 5 5 | 6 6 5 - | 4 4 3 3 | 2 2 1 - |

a b ch d e é f g gh h i j k l
.......

Melilse: yuqarqi notilarning astigha munasiwetlik herplerni qoysaqla bolidu, nime herp bolushidin munasiwetsiz, "c" barmu yoqmu uning ornigha "ch" barmu naxshigah tesir qilmaydu. Chunki nota ozgermeydude.
Mesile ustiliq bilen herplerni we sozlerni notigha maslashturush, buni muzikidin yaxshi hewiri barlar qilalaydihghan ish. Eng muhimi, Englishche yaki UYY elipbe naxshisi uchun, UKY ning latinche tizilishini qurban berish, eqilliq ish emes. Chunki dunyada yalghuz bu birla melodiye mewjut emeste, yene kelip yuqarda korduq shundaq murekkep latin yeziqtiki milletler naxshisiz qalmaptughu.

Xataliq bolsa tuzutup oqughaysiler,

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