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Date Posted: 07/31/01 22:38:09
Author: Abdireyim
Subject: Bet Ozgergendin Keyinki Qiyas

Ozgirishtiki sewepler meningche towendikidek bolishi mumkin(shexsi qiyaslar):

BIRINCHI qiyas: Tilshunaslar Ä ni E dep elishqa qoshulghan bolushi munkin. Biraq "e"(eyiq) tiki "e" ni qandaq yezish toghurluq ihtilap bolushimu iniq yeni "ë" dep yazamduq yaki "é" dep yazamduq. Ikkila hil yezishning ozgiche chushendurushliri bar:

Birincisi, peqetla Ö,Ü lar bilen maslashturup yazish kerekligini chiqish nuhtisi qilip "Ë" dep elish yeni "Ë,Ö,Ü". Biraq bundaq yazsa kishilerge(tilshunasliqta) ular bir hil tiptiki sozuq tawushlarmidu deydighan guman peyda bolushi iniq yeni "Ë" mu til-aldi sozuq tawushmidu? (Waris ependining maqalisidiki chushendurushge asaslanghanda "ë" ning oqulushi yeni Englishche "better" digen sozlukdiki eng ahirqi boghum /er/ ning Britaniye Englishchisidiki oqulushi bolsa del til-aldi sozuq tawush "e(emgek)" ke bekirek yeqin)

Ikkincisi, undaqta "E(eyiq)" ni "Ö,Ü" lar bilen harektir(tip) periqliq qilish uchun bir chare urgha bilen yezish yeni "é" qilip yezish (Mesilen Fransus tilida: Télévision). Lekin bundaq yezilsa "ö,ü" larnimu "é" bilen maslashturup "ó,ú" qilip yezish kerek deydighanlarmu bar yeni "é,ó,ú". Biraq "ó,ú" larning tilshunasliqta til-aldi sozuq tawush bolishi natayin, bunimu oylash kerek.

Meningche "Ë" yaki "É" ni tallashta, tilshunasliq qa'idilarni oylashtin sirt yeni Ë bilen É ning komputerdiki orninimu oylishish zorur yeni qaysisi eng qolayliq rayonda bolushini. E(eyiq) ni Ö,Ü lar bilen maslashturimiz dep kucheshning hajiti yoq. Masliship qalsa eksiche kishilerge hata uqum berip qoyidu. Chunki ular til-keyni we til-aldi sozuq tawushlar. Bumu bir mesile.

IKKINCHI qiyas: Tilshunaslar "Ä" ni "E" dep yezishqa qetilmighan bolushi munkin. Qetilmise boptu, undaqta "Ä" ni "E" dep elishning amali barmu? Elwette bar, yeni UKY ning "Eskertishide" asasen bezi ehwallarda Ä ni E dep yazsa bolidu dep diyilgen. Undaq iken M.Erdem ependi betini ozgerkini meningche hechqandaq qa'idige hilap qilghanliq bolmaydu, Erdem ependi peqetla UKY ning rohigha asasen ozgertken, bundaq ozgertishke tilshunaslarmu bir nime diyelmeydu, ular peqetla Erdem inimiz "horun" oxshaydu depla qalidu halas.

Tordashlar obdan oylisaq,bir hesapta, bu bir "Ä" ni "E" dep ozgertishke bolghan nahayiti yaxshi namayish. Men Erdemni qollaymen. "Ä" ni "E" gha ozgermeydiken, nurghunlighan kishiler UKY ni yazghan chaghda "horun" boliwalidu, menmu "horun" boluwalghinimgha heli boldi(horun bolmasliqqa tirishsammu "Ä" ning sozluklerde hemdemde bir uchrishidin artuqche konupka besip herip qalidim, japa chekkiningizge chushluq browserlarda chiqsighu kashki, bezide chiqmay qalidiken emesmu?!)

Dimek Ä ni E qilip ozgermeydiken, UKY menggu ikki hil nusqida teng mewjut bolup turidu(bu toghurluq otkende kop sozleshtuq).

"Ä" ni UKY din yoqutush kerek. Yoqalmaydiken, yeziq birlikke kelishi tes.

(hataliq bolsa tuzutup oqasiler) Waqit:2001-07-23.23:52:05 

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