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Date Posted: 10:48:15 04/22/08 Tue
Author: Ron
Subject: Re: Dutch gunlist around 1700
In reply to: John Tredrea 's message, "Re: Dutch gunlist around 1700" on 09:46:02 04/22/08 Tue

I translated te Dutch word charter to rate, but Jan Glete is right, perhaps I shouldn't have done this translating of Dutch charters in British rates

Considering the used term above the cabin, in the originally text the Dutch word 'hut'was used, is I translate this in English in cabin. I shall try to find more details about armament in my notes.

Ron

>>This is a good illustration that the terms "first
>>rate" for ships of 100 guns or more, "second rate" for
>>ships of 90-98 guns, etc., are limited to the British
>>navy. I believe that Ron is translating the Dutch
>>word "charter" here as "rate." The French term was
>>"rang." "Rates" were bureaucratic terms that covered
>>different ranges of size and armament according to the
>>needs of each navy, not universal, international
>terms.
>>
>>
>
>Many years ago, Jan Glete told me via email that the
>Dutch Charter system was not a rating system in
>the British or French sense, but something of an quota
>system delimiting the relative responsibilites that
>each of the five Dutch Admiralties had for providing
>ships for various types of ships -e.g. the Admiralty
>of Amsterdam might be assessed responsibility for
>providing seven ships in the 1st Charter, thirteen in
>the 2nd Charter, and so forth. Since the ships falling
>within each charter also fell into various ranges of
>both guns and dimensions, this certainly seemed to me
>to be a rating system, but I suppose that Dr. Glete
>was stating that the starting point for
>establishing the various Charters was related to
>fiscal responsibility on the parts of the various
>Admiralties and not to the number of guns actually
>carried by individual ships. Originally there were
>only four Charters, but the growth in importance of
>smaller classes of ships resulted in the addition of
>Charters 5-8 in the early 1700's
>
>Jan Glete stressed that the Charter system was without
>clearcut lines of demarcation based either on number
>of guns carried or on ships dimensions. During the
>disorganized 1600's, there were ships that could be
>placed in two different Charters because there was no
>consistent relationship between guns carried and
>length of ship.
>
>I still have a copy of Dr. Glete's email for any
>interested parties. It is a bit too long to paste here.
>
>John Tredrea

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  • Re: Dutch gunlist around 1700 -- Bob Legge, 19:48:02 04/22/08 Tue
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