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Date Posted: 01:37:22 05/03/08 Sat
Author: Bob Legge
Subject: Re: Fate of spanish San Julian after battle Cape St. Maria
In reply to: ManuBlasco 's message, "Re: Fate of spanish San Julian after battle Cape St. Maria" on 13:00:49 04/29/08 Tue

>>Manu
>>
>>From Clowes Vol III (not much I'm afraid)
>...
>the San Julian, 70, and the San
>>Eugenia, 70. The two latter drove ashore and were lost
>>[footnote]. The remaining four were brought into
>>Gibraltar, and were ultimately added to the Navy. All
>>retained their old names, save the Fenix, which was
>>renamed Gibraltar."
>>
>>However there is a footnote:
>>"Chevalier says that one of them was retaken by her
>>crew and carried into Cadiz"
>>
>>In the table of spanish losses Clowes has
>>
>>San Eugenia and San Julian as "drove ashore after
>>caprute in lord Rodney's action" on 17th January 1780
>
>Hummm, so we have the same doubt in the british
>version....i will start to think that both versions
>are right...both ships drove ashore, San Julian after
>beeing retaken by the spanis crew...and later, maybe
>(here it is my guess) was rescued into Cadiz....
>
>Regards

Further information:
Charnock, John - Biographia Navalis or Impartial Memoirs of the Live and characters of Officers of the Navy of Great Britain From the year 1660 to the Present Vol V

The fruits of this victory were, the Phoenix, of eighty guns, the flag-ship od Admiral Juan de Langara; the Monarca, Princessa and Diligente, of seventy guns each, captured; and the St. Domingo, of the same force, blown up in action. The St. Julian and St, Eugenio, of seventy guns, also surrendered; an officer, with some men, were put on board one of them; but these ships were afterwards driven on shore by the violence of the wind, and the latter if not both, totally lost.

http://www.todoababor.es/listado/index.htm

En el combate del cabo de Santa María, en el que la escuadra de Rodney se enfrentó a la de Lángara, el San Julián fue apresado por los británicos, que querían llevarlo a Gibraltar. La dotación de presa británica no conocía la costa. La noche era mala y el estado del buque no estaba para bromas. El buque abatía cobre Arenas Gordas y se hallaba en peligro inminente de hundimiento. Los británicos solicitaron ayuda a los españoles que sólo accedieron a cambio de dirigirse a un puerto español, Alejandro Malaspina (oficial que años después haría un extraordinario viaje científico por todo el mundo) tomó el mando del buque. Así una mañana de enero de 1780 entraba en Cádiz conduciendo unos prisioneros británicos que horas antes habían sido los dueños del navío.
El navío fue desguazado ese mismo año.

My attempt at translation.
In the Battle of Cape Santa María, in which the squadron of Rodney faced that of Lángara, the San Julián was captured by the British who wanted to take it to Gibraltar. The British prize crew didn't know the coast. The night was bad and the state of the ship was not good. The ship grounded, touching her copper on Arenas Sands and she was in imminent danger of sinking. The British requested help to the Spaniards who consented only on condition of going to a Spanish port. Alejandro Malaspina (officer that years later would take an extraordinary scientific trip all over the world) took the control of the ship. On one morning in January of 1780 she entered Cádiz. the Spanish leading some British prisoners that hours before had been the in charge of the ship.
The ship was broken up that same year.

The San Eugenia, 70, is not listed on this site.

I could find only a brief mention of the Battle in the London Gazette. There may be more if prize money was issued.

Regards,
Bob

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