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Date Posted: 02:30:25 06/17/08 Tue
Author: ManuBlasco
Subject: Re: Fleet of Rodrigo de Torres 1744
In reply to: Albert Parker 's message, "Re: Fleet of Rodrigo de Torres 1744" on 09:02:05 06/16/08 Mon


>>I will look it over, but from my sources, arrived to
>>La Corunna the 5th of january, only Gloriso &
>Castilla.
>>I have notes that say they left La Habana with Europa,
>> Brillante, privateer Flecha (6 guns) & 4 merchantmen,
>>but only these 2 first entered at La Corunna, the rest
>>may entered at Cadiz ?!??!
>
>Well, Ted's source, an annual (monthly?) news magazine
>or alamanc published in France and Luxembourg, says
>that San Josef (Rayo), Brillant and
>Parfaite continued on to SANTANDER.
>
>I'm not home so I don't have St. Hubert's list of
>Spanish SOL, but on the todoababor list I don't find a
>«San Josef,» «San José,» or «Rayo» as a Spanish SOL at
>this time, so that would appear to have been a
>merchantman.

I think so too Albert, no San Jose aka Rayo around...Gipuzcoa Indian Co.?

I only have on launched at La Habana in 1743 called Invencible, aka San Jose...but looks dificult to be the same....set on fire at El Ferrol in 1750.


>There was an HCMS Brillante, 66, in the Spanish
>navy in 1745 (she fought at the Battle of Toulon in
>February 1744) but from the history on the todoababor
>list, she appears to have been in the Mediterranean in
>January 1745.

My sources said that it was at Cadiz under reparis, I guess from the Battle of Toulon, in aug 1744...so it is difficult to be ready and left Cadiz to La Habana to return back with Torres' fleet on oct 25th...but could be...its something I am looking for...

> Therefore, «Brillant» seems to have been another of the >merchant ships.

Yes, could be a Guipuzcoa Indian Company's ship, based in Santander....ocourious that Brillante was a former merchantmen called Nuestra Sennora del Rosario or a french privateer.

>There's no «Perfecta» on the todoababor list and it's
>not familiar to me as the name of a Spanish SOL, so it
>would appear to be either a Spanish or possibly a
>French merchant ship. Louis XV declared war on Great
>Britain in February 1744, so after that French
>merchant ships also required convoy against British
>warships and privateers. Some of the Spanish American
>trade was in French hands. «Brillant» might have been
>a French merchantman. She and «Parfait» might have
>been in Havana on trading missions..

Yes, no Perfecta, unless french privateer or Guipuzcoa Indian Company...I will look it up but it is difficult.

>This was the 60-gun Castilla II built in Havana in 1737.

Yes, this looks like is correct.

>Glorioso made another specie-carrying trip in
>1747. She beat off a attack by a British 60 and 44 in
>mid-Atlantic and delivered her cargo to a small port
>near Vigo but was captured by a British 80 trying to
>make Cadiz after beating off a British privateer and
>blowing up a British 50.)

Yes.

Regards.

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