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Date Posted: 19:14:53 06/07/09 Sun
Author: Barry J. Fox
Subject: Russian book

I have often found references to books, on this site, which I didn’t know existed, then ended up buying, so I thought I’d return the favor with some information about a book I recently purchased. While trying to find another copy of A.A. Chernyshev’s first book on the Russian sailing navy, I came across a newer book by accident. Translated it is, 200 Years of the Russian Sailing Navy, by A.B. Shirokorad. Where Chernyshev covered mainly ships of the line and frigates, in his first book, the second part covered sloops and brigs. This book, in 445 pages, covers all types of vessels for the period of 1696-1891.

It’s been a few years since I’ve seen Chernyshev’s book, but as I recall, it had more information about the history of the vessels, but was lacking on hard data as far as numbers and types of guns. Like Chernyshev, Shirokorad gives the dimensions of many of the vessels, but is sparing in gunnery details. That said, I did manage to find dimensions and complete gunnery information for more vessels than I had by using Chernyshev.

In a way, Shirokorad’s book asks more questions than it answers. Case in point is the ship of the line Vsevolod (74.) His dimensions are given as 51.8 m. x 14.2 m. x 6.1 m. . Converting meters to feet, then using the formula for BM tonnage, gives about 1639 tons. That makes for a small 74. The reason this ship is important to me is that he (the Russians use the masculine pronoun for ships) fought two British ships of the line in 1808. First, H.M.S. Implacable (74) made the Russian strike its colors after thirty minutes at pistol-shot range. According to James, Implacable was then recalled, so Vsevolod was being towed to safety by the Russians when H.M.S. Centaur (74) came up and had a go at yardarm-to yardarm range. As far as I know, this is the only documented example of a battle between ships of the Royal and Imperial Russian navies. That said, it annoys me that neither Shirokorad nor Chernyshev included the guns carried by the Vsevolod. As a wargamer, I would love to be able to calculate the Russian gunnery performance, but can only guess as to the particulars. It should be noted that James appears to have gotten a few things wrong in his portrayal of the actions. My preferred source is Donald W. Mitchell’s A History of Russian and Soviet Sea Power. Now, what I’m wondering is, because Vsevolod was so small, he may not have carried the 24-36#, 24-18#, 18-8#s, plus unicorns (howitzers) we have come to believe as standard on Russian 74s. I say this because another ship listed in the book, Sviatoy Pyotr (74), a ship of about 1683 tons, from the same period, is listed as carrying 24-30# guns as his primary armament. That makes me think that Vsevolod may have had lighter armament, thus fighting at a disadvantage to the much larger British ships.

Another advantage of Shirokorad’s book was that he listed the particulars for the Swedish 40 gun frigate Venus. This was the frigate captured by the Russian Lieutenant Roman Crown, aka the Irishman Robert Cronin, in 1789. He was given command and the Venus was rated as both a 44, then 50 by the Russians. I have often wondered how the Russians armed this ship. According to Shirokorad, it carried 26-24#, 16-6#, 8-24#c, and 2-3#. Under the Swedes it was armed with 26-24# short guns and 16-6#. Due to the tonnage, about 1,039 tons (BM), it is likely that the Russians kept the light-weight Swedish 24#s.

I know there are a few people out there who are fans of the Imperial Russian Navy, so your obvious question would be, where do I get the book? I found it at Vasha-Kniga.com. It is a Russian book store in New York. The price is listed at $21.93. With shipping, I paid about $24.95, via MasterCard. It also came very promptly. When you reach the site, type in the following: 200 let parusnogo flota rossii, then hit “go.”

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