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Date Posted: 12:35:14 07/01/09 Wed
Author: Albert Parker
Subject: Re: Help requested about Jamaica Squadron on May 1781
In reply to: Albert Parker 's message, "Re: Help requested about Jamaica Squadron on May 1781" on 12:11:29 07/01/09 Wed

>Robert Beatson, Naval and Military Memoirs of Great
>Britain from 1727 to 1783 (6 vols; London:
>Longman, Hurst, Rees and Orme, 1804; repr. [n.p.]:
>Elibron Classics, [n.d., ca. 2000]), VI, 268–69.
>Robert Beatson, Naval and Military Memoirs of Great
>Britain from 1727 to 1783 (6 vols; London:
>Longman, Hurst, Rees and Orme, 1804; repr. [n.p.]:
>Elibron Classics, [n.d., ca. 2000]), VI, 268–69.
>
Beatson doesn't give details of Rowley's cruise or squadron because, he says (V, 206), "The occurrences here [Jamaica station], during this campaign [1781], are neither very important or numerous." He does say (206n) that the escort for the trade consisted only of Egmont, Grafton, Suffolk, Trident, Bristol, and Endymion, so Princess Royal and Hector might have gone home with a different convoy. But that doesn't help pin down Rowley's "7 of the line" because taking out Egmont, Grafton, Suffolk and Trident leaves too few SOLs on the station in May. He mentions (208) an engagement between Ulysses and HMXMS Surveillante, 40, on June 5, but no cruise in May by a seven-SOL squadron under Rowley.

Keep in mind that histories based on the records of only one side are frequently wrong about the motives and activities of the enemy, especially when not in contact (but even when they are). If you think that Rowley made some kind of cruise in the Gulf of Mexico with 7 SOL in May because it is mentioned in Spanish or French histories, the historian(s) mentioning it might be using reports by Solano, Monteil, Galvez, and their officers repeating faulty intelligence.

A possible source for more information about the activities of Parker's command in 1781 would be a detailed 19th-century history of Jamaica, or something like Southey's history of the West Indies. You might be able to find such a work—in English, of course, but obviously you can read that—on-line on Google books or www.archive.org.

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Ships of the Line in Gulf of Mexico, May 1781 -- Albert Parker, 14:33:12 07/01/09 Wed
- HBMS Princess Royal in 1781: 90 or 98? -- Albert Parker, 14:57:27 07/01/09 Wed
  - Re: HBMS Princess Royal in 1781: 90 or 98? -- Peon9, 11:01:23 07/02/09 Thu
    - Re: HBMS Princess Royal in 1781: 90 or 98? -- Albert Parker, 17:12:16 07/02/09 Thu
      - Re: HBMS Princess Royal in 1781: 90 or 98? -- Albert Parker, 20:54:07 07/02/09 Thu
    - work at home -- Naeem Talib, 18:40:45 09/19/09 Sat
  - empolyment -- Naeem Talib, 18:35:42 09/19/09 Sat
  - home based jobs -- Naeem Talib, 18:42:20 09/19/09 Sat
- Re: Ships of the Line in Gulf of Mexico, May 1781 -- Peon9, 15:12:27 07/01/09 Wed
- data entry jobs -- Naeem Talib, 18:34:23 09/19/09 Sat
Re: Help requested about Jamaica Squadron on May 1781 -- Peon9, 14:43:07 07/01/09 Wed
- Re: Help requested about Jamaica Squadron on May 1781 -- Albert Parker, 15:16:22 07/01/09 Wed

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>>Robert Beatson, Naval and Military Memoirs of Great >>Britain from 1727 to 1783 (6 vols; London: >>Longman, Hurst, Rees and Orme, 1804; repr. [n.p.]: >>Elibron Classics, [n.d., ca. 2000]), VI, 268–69. >>Robert Beatson, Naval and Military Memoirs of Great >>Britain from 1727 to 1783 (6 vols; London: >>Longman, Hurst, Rees and Orme, 1804; repr. [n.p.]: >>Elibron Classics, [n.d., ca. 2000]), VI, 268–69. >> >Beatson doesn't give details of Rowley's cruise or >squadron because, he says (V, 206), "The occurrences >here [Jamaica station], during this campaign [1781], >are neither very important or numerous." He does say >(206n) that the escort for the trade consisted only of >Egmont, Grafton, Suffolk, Trident, Bristol, and >Endymion, so Princess Royal and >Hector might have gone home with a different >convoy. But that doesn't help pin down Rowley's "7 of >the line" because taking out Egmont, Grafton, >Suffolk and Trident leaves too few SOLs on >the station in May. He mentions (208) an engagement >between Ulysses and HMXMS Surveillante, >40, on June 5, but no cruise in May by a seven-SOL >squadron under Rowley. > >Keep in mind that histories based on the records of >only one side are frequently wrong about the motives >and activities of the enemy, especially when not in >contact (but even when they are). If you think that >Rowley made some kind of cruise in the Gulf of Mexico >with 7 SOL in May because it is mentioned in Spanish >or French histories, the historian(s) mentioning it >might be using reports by Solano, Monteil, Galvez, and >their officers repeating faulty intelligence. > >A possible source for more information about the >activities of Parker's command in 1781 would be a >detailed 19th-century history of Jamaica, or something >like Southey's history of the West Indies. You might >be able to find such a work—in English, of course, but >obviously you can read that—on-line on Google books or >www.archive.org.

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