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Date Posted: 11:01:23 07/02/09 Thu
Author: Peon9
Subject: Re: HBMS Princess Royal in 1781: 90 or 98?
In reply to: Albert Parker 's message, "HBMS Princess Royal in 1781: 90 or 98?" on 14:57:27 07/01/09 Wed

>I found the missing Caruana page. He discusses four
>groups of ships. He says the first consisted of
>Torbay; the second of Namur and
>Union, launched in 1756; the third of
>Blenheim, Queen and Sandwich; and the
>fourth of "all the 90-gun ships launched during the
>war." Princess Royal isn't in the first three
>groups but was launched in 1773, although not
>completed until 1777. She must be in the last group
>by default. Caruana says that "all started the war
>... with 28 32-pdrs ... on the lower deck, 30 18-pdrs
>... on the middle deck, 30 12-pdrs ... on the upper
>deck, and two 9-pdrs ... on the forecastle" except for
>London, which does not concern us here. That
>is, they all started the war as 90's. Caruana goes on
>to say, "by the end of the war, Formidable, Prince
>George, Duke,
and Barfleur had all become
>90 98-gun ships." That would seem to indicate that
>Princess Royal was a 90 throughout the war.
>(By the time Beatson published, Princess Royal
>might indeed have been a 98, so he might have
>"corrected" her rating in his 1781 list of the Jamaica
>squadron.)
>
>Full citation: Adrian Caruana, the History of
>English Sea Ordnance, 1523–1875,
, Vol. II,
>1715–1875: The Age of the System (Rotherfield,
>England: Jean Boudriot Publications, 1997), p. 235.

In "The British Warships in the Age of Sail. 1714-1792" by Rif Winfield,

HMS Pricess Royal appers in 1781 rated as 98.

Let's see...

In general, for 90' ships, from 1778 the rating grew to 98 guns with the addition of 8 guns in QD. In 1782 carronades were also added to the Second Rate, but without being included in the number of guns at which each ship was rated.

HMS Princess Royal was a unit from HMS Barfleur class with LD, 28x32pdrs; MD, 30x18pdrs; UD, 30x12pdrs; QD, none (8x6pdrs from 1778); FC, 2x9pdrs. All 6 and 9 punders replaced by short 12pdrs by AO 3/06/1790. 750 Men (738 from 1794).

About the ship, the text says that she was fitted an coppered at Chatham in 1782's May. But i think could be possible that as the rest of her class from 1778 he up her rating up to 98.

Then, in theory, she must carry 98guns in 1781.

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