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Date Posted: 09:35:23 04/24/12 Tue
Author: Andreas von Mach
Subject: Re: French Corsair "La Grande Guimbarde"
In reply to: Albert Parker 's message, "Re: French Corsair "La Grande Guimbarde"" on 09:14:12 04/18/12 Wed

A voyage of discovery, into the South Sea and Beering's Straits, ...: Band 1 - p. 324

Otto von Kotzebue - 1821
There were three ships tying in the harbour, two of which, a large three-masted vessel, and a handsome brig, belonged to Tamaahmaah, who had purchased them in exchange for sanders-wood. The three-masted vessel, which' bears the name of Albatross, serves at present as a transport for provisions from Woahoo to Owhyee, but will in future be sent under Tamaahmaah's flag with sanders-wood to Canton, to exchange it for Chinese goods. The English government has engaged to respect his flag everywhere, and to support his trade in Canton, and these islanders will undoubtedly make rapid advances in civilization if their trade with Canton prospers. The brig bears the name of the Queen Kahumanna; and, according to its size, can carry eighteen guns: it is built like a ship of war, for quick sailing; and, at present, serves Tamaahmaah in the place of such a ship. This brig, which is said to sail very fast, was originally built by the French as a privateer, and at that time bore the name of La Grande Guimbarde. She was taken by the English, and sold to English merchants, who gave her the name of the Forester of London. Captain Piggot, who had made many voyages in this ship from Western America to Canton, came with her to the South Sea, where the oargain with Tamaahmaah was concluded, as already mentioned. After -the sale of the ship, Alexander Adams, Captain Piggot's second officer, entered into the king's service, became her commander, and, as such, receives a salary of fifty piastres a month, and all kinds of provisions, which are daily sent to him gratis. The crew consists of six Europeans and several natives. The third ship, the Traveller of Philadelphia, under the American flag, was just sailing when I arrived with the Rurick. The owner, whose name is Wilcox, brother to the American consul in Canton, came to pay me a visit. Mr. Wilcox had left Canton several years, and loaded his ship with a cargo of Chinese goods, to carry on a contraband trade with the Spanish colonies, on the west coasts of America; but he was very unfortunate. In Valparaiso he was in danger of losing his ship, and only a fortunate chance saved him from imprisonment. After many fruitless and dangerous attempts to dispose of his cargo in South America, he sailed, exhausted by the long voyage, to Botany Bay, to recover himself, and to take in provisions; and there the governor of Port Jackson gave him a letter from the King of England to Tamaahmaah, with several presents, among which were some handsomely embroidered uniforms. Mr. Wilcox further told me, that a very fine ship was building at Port Jackson, by order of the English government, for Tamaahmaah. From all this it must be concluded that England has taken the Sandwich Islands under her particular protection, perhaps already, in silence, considers them as her property, and will certainly take
>Does this mean that she was rigged as a brig and
>called the "Forrester"? What does "sW&Cmstly CB12"
>mean?
>
>>1810 F.P. = French Prize
>>279t 14ft
>>10-6pdr
>>LR class A2 in 1813
>
>What does "LR" mean?
>
>>LR1814 T.Wilson Lo.CHrn (master Jennings)
>>LR1816 T.Wilson Lo.CHrn (master Jennings)
>>LR1818 Wilson Lo.CGH (master Jennings) - 9 years old.
>>
>>Unfortunately I have found no more data, as she is not
>>listed by "Nomenclature des navires" nor by RN lists
>>of prizes I possess.
>>
>>Any ideas
>
>Alain Demerliac, Nomenclature des navires français
>de 1800 à 1815
includes about 1,400 privateers but
>does not have an index entry for either "Grande
>Guimbarde" or "Guimbarde." No entry for either in
>Jacques Vichot, Répertoire des navires de guerre
>français
, which has some privateers. If this
>vessel was ever a French privateer, it would seem to
>have been an unofficial or illegal one, and therefore
>really a "pirate" ship rather than a privateer. My
>Cassel's French dictionary labels "guimbarde" as
>"colloquial" with the meanings of "rickety old coach,
>boneshaker; jew's harp; grooving plane." "Grande
>guimbarde" might have been a description rather than a
>name.

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