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Date Posted: 23:06:13 03/08/17 Wed
Author: John Houghton
Subject: Re: Turkish Navy (again 2) - frigates
In reply to:
's message, "Re: Turkish Navy (again 2) - frigates" on 11:59:29 03/08/17 Wed
I prefer not to comment on your last list because I donâ€™t have time to do the necessary checking. You will find well-researched information on actions of the Russo-Ottoman War of 1807-1812 and the British operation in the Dardanelles on Cyâ€™s website at http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=home I have contributed quite a lot to this information.
My own â€˜Navies of the World 1835-1840â€™ (3rd edition, Melbourne, 2012) pp. 61-2 details the losses at Navarin drawing heavily on Ali Fuat Ã–renÃ§, â€˜1827 Navarin Deniz SavaÅŸi ve OsmanlÄ± DonanmasÄ±â€™ (The Battle of Navarin 1827 and the Ottoman Navy) which appeared in Istanbul Universityâ€™s â€˜Tarih Dergisi 2007â€™ (History Review 2007). In my introduction I review different sources that detail the battle and the Turco-Egyptian fleet. The only major ship afloat at the end of the battle was the Egyptian frigate Zir al-Jihad. (Today I would actually write this name Shir al-Jihad as my advice on Arabic names has changed. The names of all Egyptian warships were in Ottoman Turkish, the official language of the empire, but I prefer to use their Arabic equivalents.)
Here are details of Turkish and Egyptian losses at Navarin copied from pp. 61-2. Anyone who would like the latest pdf of my book, please contact me via email.
â€˜Ibrahim Pasha, supreme Ottoman commander in the Morea and adopted son of Mehmed Ali, recorded the losses of the Turkish component of the fleet as:
Heavily damaged were the ships of the line KÃ»h-Ä± RevÃ¢n and Burc-Ä± Zafer, the frigates Feyz-Ä± MirÃ¢c, Kaid-i Zafer, KeyvÃ¢n-Ä± BahrÃ®, Menba-Ä± Nusret and Pertev-i Nusret, the corvettes Ayn-i Necad, HilÃ¢l-i Zafer, Mebde-i Nusret, MecrÃ¢-yÄ± Zafer, Muin-i Cihad, NasÄ±r-Ä± BahrÃ®, Peyk-i Nusret and Tair-i BahrÃ®, and two brigs.
Sunk were the frigate Fevz-i Nusret, the corvettes Gurre-i FÃ¼tuh and Feyz-i BahÅŸa, and two further brigs.
Burnt were the ship of the line FÃ¢tih-i BahrÃ®, the frigates BadÃ®-i Nusret, Bed-i Nusret, BeÅŸir-i Zafer, Gurre-i Nusret, MÃ¼jde-resÃ¢n and Nusret Aver, and the corvettes Envar-i Nusret, Feyz-i Felek, Feyz-i HÃ¼da, Id-i Nusret, Kerem-i BadÃ®, Mevkib-i Cihad, Peyk-i FÃ¼tuh and Talih-i FÃ¼tuh.
He recorded the losses of the Egyptian component as:
Sunk were the frigate Murshid al-Jihad, two brigs and two schooners.
Burnt were the frigates Ihsaniyya and Surayya, three corvettes, two brigs and three fireships.
Of these vessels Burc-Ä± Zafer, Feyz-Ä± MirÃ¢c, Kaid-i Zafer, KeyvÃ¢n-Ä± BahrÃ®, Fevz-i Nusret, Gurre-i FÃ¼tuh, Feyz-i BahÅŸa and two Turkish brigs returned to Alexandria in December 1827, as did Zir al-Jihad and other Egyptian survivors which included five corvettes. MecrÃ¢-yÄ± Zafer returned to the Dardanelles. Huseyin Beyâ€™s flagship KÃ»h-Ä± RevÃ¢n was refloated but lost at sea, as noted above, on its way to Alexandria in September 1828.â€™
Note that Fevz-i Nusret, Gurre-i FÃ¼tuh and Feyz-i BahÅŸa were all salvaged although recorded as sunk. Brigs, schooners, and Egyptian corvettes were all known by the names of their captains.
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