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Date Posted: 14:55:46 07/01/17 Sat
Author: AvM
Subject: Re: Algerian "Navy" 1732
In reply to: Albert Parker 's message, "Re: Algerian "Navy" 1732" on 14:24:53 07/01/17 Sat

>The Dutch had apparently driven ashore or captured
>four of the 1724 ships, in 1724-26, and a Dutch list
>of 1729 (possibly incomplete) includes fewer ships
>than in 1724 (some of the names correspond to 1724
>ships, some do not).

Where such list is available?

> A report by a British traveler
>from 1732 said that by that time the Algerian ships
>(since the ships were mostly privately owned and
>managed, they did not constitute a "navy" despite some
>obligations to the state) were reduced to "Row-Boats
>and Brigantines" plus "only half a dozen capital
>Ships, from thirty-six to fifty Guns." [Thomas Shaw,
>Travels or Observations Relating to Several Parts
>of Barbary and the Levant
(Oxford: Printed at the
>Theater, 1738), 70.]

I saw also that document. There are no list of ships, only general information. As I have read in newspapers in some times there were embargos on Christian ships becouse of sailing criusers, to prohibite some intelligence. There are many list existing of various periods, and for Tunis and Alger we coudl divide between goverment ships, ie larger ships forming a navy and small armed ships belongiong to private persons, which could be defined as privateers.

> If the reports previously cited
>in the Threedecks forum about new construction were
>accurate, including one or more ships of 70 guns and,
>perhaps, heavier artillery being purchased or extorted
>from Sweden, those ships were too late to dispute the
>approach of the Spanish expedition, but could be what
>was wrecked in 1733.

According to me , all reports I have posted to threedeck forme make uniform view on the Algerian Navy in 1832 with 3-4 large ships built in Alger 1729-1731 as well as loses of some of them, which cleared that they were very short lived. Generally from my reseacrh most of the Barbary ships werte short lived. Perhaps becouse of their duties?


>Although the Spanish accounts of the expedition
>acknowledge fighting and casualties on land, there is
>no mention of any loss or opposition at sea during the
>organized expedition. Unescorted Spanish ships,
>sailing individually, might have been captured by
>raiders from Algiers afterwards.

Also none of the newspaper reports I saw listed any info about naval clashes. There is one accident as c1733 one of Algerian ship casehed by the Spansih ship was set in fire, and the crew left her in boats, then their found that the ship was not Spanish but French.

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