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Date Posted: 17:35:20 04/18/18 Wed
Author: Albert Parker
Subject: Re: Dutch east indies actions 1830-31
In reply to: BPL 's message, "Re: Dutch east indies actions 1830-31" on 22:44:58 04/17/18 Tue

>Thanks for your detailed response. You may be entirely
>right, though I thought some European powers
>intervened on the side of Belgium and thus might have
>been considered belligerents subject to capture - but
>I have very little information on this conflict so
>I had assumed that all European navies used the prize
>system, as England did. France almost certainly did
>during the Napoleonic Wars, based on my reading. The
>Dutch having a well developed naval tradition prior to
>then, I assumed used the same system at least for a
>time, though whether it continued into 1830s I don't
British naval historians like to suppose that all other navies were just smaller and less competent copies of their own. It's not so. I don't know specifically about prize money. At one time, the value of ships and cargoes captured by the King's ships belong to the King. A 17th-century King of Great Britain waived his rights, or assigned them to the navy. Some British naval administrative practices, such as managing the navy through a "Board of Admiralty" or "Admiralty College" were adopted by other nations, perhaps in the hope that doing so would make their navies as successful as the British. But it's not true that everybody else did everything the British did. I think you will have to find out whether the Dutch had some kind of "prize money" system. The Dutch navy would have had to keep pay records, and if there were any opportunities for "prizes" in the East Indies in the 1730s, there would have had to be an Admiralty Court or equivalent to decide whether a prize had been taken lawfully and, if there was a dispute among the interested parties about their respective shares, who would get what. I am sorry that I can't give you any particulars.

>We do have the certificate (in Dutch, and translated)
>with two medals attached (one being the well known
>belgian war medal) and the text indicating his service
>on the corvette Heldin in 1830-31. Of course I am
>interested in any actions the ship was in during that
>time, whether prize money resulted or not.
>I believe I will have to make a serious effort
>contacting Dutch naval museums, and the Dept of Navy
>historian or whatnot. There must be logs, crew
>manifests, etc. preserved from the Heldin, since it
>was apparently sold of out service, according to the
>blog Warshipsresearch.

There was a major fire in the Dutch naval archives in, I think, the 1850s. The records you want, which would have been created in the 1830s, might or might not have been lost in that fire.
>(see 2014 entries referencing the Heldin of the 1830s-
>there was apparently more than one Heldin)
>Does anyone know how to contact the writers of
>Warshipresearch, I am strangely unable to find contact
>info on their blog, or post a comment.
>Best wishes and thanks.

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