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Subject: Re BBSF & dd


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Date Posted: 21:05:23 08/22/03 Fri
In reply to: bs 's message, "bs" on 15:46:24 08/22/03 Fri

Yes , we do have choices, but it's limited.
Some philosophers said :Our free will to choose is an illusion, and so is our consciousness, how we are destined is generally called "faith".

I think what is hard to control is (1) circumstantial changes (2) feelings of others (3) feelings of yourselves.
Free will to choose in terms of (3) only happens right where the affairs started, but never after the feelings has been developed.

(1) can be overcome if real love exists and persists. It is a good tester how much lovers love each other.
(2) cannot easily be handled. And honestly it's the reason why love dies & relations ended (if this is by the other party).
(3) can you force yourselves to love someone you don't love anymore? The reason maybe hard to explain, that's the same why people don't love myself anymore.

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[> [> Subject: 1. I have to say I am the worst to handle the circumstantial changes. But I think it might not be appropriate to use the degree of 'Persist' to be a tester. Somepeople can take certain test, somepeople can not. Does those test could really measure the degree of love? It is very hard to think of someone she do not love ourselves. 2. I agree of what you say. But what if she still love of you even there might has other party ? 3. 'Force someone I do not love anymore'.....for me there is no 'anymore'.....all the girls I had feeling b4, I still love them. They are always in my heart. Some still have very stronge feeling, but some dont. It is very hard for me to stop think of someone I loved before. However...I guess true love form my heat is not always have a place to land.


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Date Posted: 23:14:46 08/22/03 Fri


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[> [> Subject: Love, how much? How long?...


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bs
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Date Posted: 03:55:31 08/23/03 Sat

About love persists, degree of love mentioned by you.


[(1)Circumstantial would include eg of third party, general problems,communication problems, material problems, pressure...etc...]

[(2)(3) would be a substantial here ]

If there is nothing of (2) substantial feelings from others has gone and (3) sub. feelings from you has gone, circumstantial problem can be solved if both aimed at it and aimed in a proper manner. Unilateral one won't help .


Say if: A is the time love starting, B is the time circumstances change, C is the time now you have seperated with her.

Some situation will be that, love existed at A. It doesn't
anymore at B, cos something blocked the persistance of love.

Some will be that , as you said, love existed every moment, and it persisted from A (start)to B (changes)and to C (now)as well.

It means that the circumstantial problems outweighed the degree of love , so, the love has not been rescued.


One can't possible love so many people , let alone loving so many people in deep, otherwise, the mind couldn't take it. Of course, we can like many people at a time.

What is "love" here does not mean "like". It does not mean
the "concern" about someone whom i have loved before.
It comprises of substantial feelings, passion, desires,admiration..etc..

I think you just like them(your ex), concern about them,
but couldn't really love all of them now at the same time.
Perhaps the love from you(or from her,or both) was not enough, that's justifying why circumstantial breakthrough between you and her did not appear. Cos cir problems outweighed degree of love.

Degree of love should be a big issue, but i personally really so scared of talking about this. Because its never ending..^^ and ..
action is always much better than talking "how much i love you."

It's my pleasure sharing views with you here, it has made discussion meaningful.


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[> [> [> Subject: Thank you for reminding me the difference bt the love and like. As people grow older, their are less pure to feeling things from their heart. They cannot really follow what their heart tell but only follow what their brian say...I guess this could be the most important factor to limit the love for someone.


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Date Posted: 17:25:06 08/23/03 Sat


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