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Subject: You can't justify


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Hate it
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Date Posted: 11:07:27 01/13/04 Tue
 I am still confused of some arguments suggested a free model of love (open relationship) , that people can have love and sex with many others while they hv partners (claimed as couples).

If their partner knows about this? Or simply cheated her?
What is meant by love if open relationship is prevailing?
While we have to respect others' preferences, what would you do if the trend spreads toward you & u partner?
Will u accept voluntarily? Join the Party ? Disgust of it?
Made it wider? Why not group sex if so? Why not a group of lovers living together changing partners days & nites as they want then? I can't figure out (1) what's the rationale behind(how to justify) (2) How can it works? (I mean the free -love -free- sex system)

It seems so much confused when people claimed they are lesbians, and think that female-female mode of love & sex can be as free as it can be. (But they may not do so in heterosexual world where they might hv come from) Is there anything we hv to think abt here?
Is that a place of wildness where you can play happily as you want? Or you really like woman or not or you simply like freedom of love and sex in being Gay? I think it really ruin the whole place!! It's infection of disastrous ideas only of which we are always being condemned .
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[> Subject: last words


Author:
Bing
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Date Posted: 00:22:00 01/14/04 Wed
if you really talk abt "norm" or "moral", pls be reminded homosexuality or non-heterosexuality is generally associated with "abnormal" or "immoral".

Should we justify for being "lesbian" or simply not "straight"?
The nature or nurture argument has yet come to an end, but you are what you are anyway,right?

As an adult, you have to make decision and be responsible for it. If you prefer a 1-1 relationship, that's your choice. However, no need to condemn those who prefer not, or simply can't maintain one. No need to join the crowd to throw stones at your sisters. We have suffered enough prejudice

Tolerance is all I want to say. Recognizing differences is the first step.

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[> [> Subject: Re: I am not "hate it", just wanna to get you known something, be respectful also to your lover. Why you wanna 1-many lovers? This is the love diversity. Being homosexual, since love the same sex. but doesnt mean to be so open. And really ur statement is clear, but this is ur own preference, and should it be highly encouraged? Ur words seemed that you are going the run that revolution..Please be consider and action to love. This is not the game, be respect to urself.


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Bond
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Date Posted: 00:46:10 01/14/04 Wed

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[> [> [> Subject: 在下有點愚見. 本人亦是 hate it and bond 口中所謂不"respect lover"的一人, open relationship對我而言是最佳的戀愛模式. 我認為, 在你決定要和這個人一起之時, 你們必須溝通好大家所追求的模式, 如果双方都同意接受, 有什麽不"respect"可言? 當然, 如果你lover一開始便要求one to one, 你應承了, 却又私下 one to ten, 當然不在討論範圍. 尊重lover不在於你奉行什麽戀愛模式, 在於誠實及溝通. 我們是one to one社會下的產物, 我只能說, 這未必適合所有人, 與同性愛及異性愛的情況一樣. 我不是道德會的會長, 我亦不是鼓勵別人濫交, 但大家追求自己喜歡的模式, 何罪之有? 再者, 我和我的lover生活得很好, 大家都很尊重大家. 放開一點吧! 別為別人套上無謂的枷鎖, 這是個人的事, 等於你選擇愛同性一樣, 只不過是忠於自己, 追尋自己所欲罷! 別五＋步笑百步了.


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Date Posted: 10:22:57 01/14/04 Wed

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Date Posted: 15:54:22 01/15/04 Thu

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almond
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Date Posted: 13:29:41 01/14/04 Wed

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[> [> Subject: 交配=戀愛?


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丙得少
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Date Posted: 15:31:41 01/14/04 Wed
Almond 的見解真高,直是茅塞盡開!
如此說信天翁、海馬、企鵝真是我們學習對象,每個人也應像動物為交配而交配...還要一"夫"一妻!如此說來,倒不如大家也"正常"地找個真正的男人一夫一妻,長廂廝守算了...(也沒聽過信天翁、海馬、企鵝一妻一妻長廂廝守)...否則陰陽不調也不好吧

既然也不過戀愛是等同交配,還談什麽"戀愛"這件事...社會普遍不接受同志愛,我們也不要不顧別人的感受,別像斷線的風箏,好好地用種種所謂的"道德倫理","社會規條",各類"經典/信條"縛死自己,重新做人吧!

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[> [> [> Subject: 根据聖經記載, 同性戀是要被石頭擲死的. 人作為高等動物, 怎麽可以有反常規, 女女相戀, 實如Almond所說, 誤己害人, 沉迷, 不理別人感受(女女相戀, 別人看見也不舒服), 影響正常一夫一婦結合生育下一代, 確實太自私, 太不負責, 太慚愧了, 只要自己覺得與同性一起很爽便自把自為. 那麽我想我們別要再討論什應不應該了, 因為本身我們就正正是一般道德範疇中最不應該的. 別再沈淪了, 改變自己, 結婚生子, 總好過在這裡一方面負着世俗眼中極不道德之名, 另一方面却宣揚道德規條. 如Almond所言,回頭是岸, 別再為一己私慾沈迷下去, 方為上策.


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Date Posted: 16:51:20 01/14/04 Wed

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[> [> Subject: open relationshipぃ琌1癸1籔1癸100だτ琌1癸1籔3癸2癸3癸2癸3だτ常笵Τㄤ┪粄醚ㄤㄒ稲腳の稲の眏眏稲のвв稲.......闽玒い常祇甶癸薄稰ぃ琌﹑┮ē1縒碙ョぃ琌或1竲今ㄢ差硂柑﹑フ盾?


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will
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Date Posted: 16:04:11 01/15/04 Thu

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[> [> [> Subject: 真的可以嗎? 是情愛的情感, 還是友愛的情感呢? 若是情愛的情感, 可以克制不去摸她嗎? (總有點性期盼). 即可以摸, 還是不可以摸對方 ? ? 若是不可以, 會否有禁不住的一天 ? 這會令自己伴侶不快嗎 (即使她也表示玩這個Game和守The Rule-人是人, 不會因而散? 這就沒有穏定的同志關係, 也不用Gay Marriage了, 因為早晚都會散) 如果可以摸, 會否有一天變成集體性愛横行, 怎去阻止? 還是不去阻止? 若果男性也加 入這個Game, 批唔批準? 這可令人擔心boundary set唔到..於是, 我們就同志更加被........


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你好友善的回答, 想了解多的內容....
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Date Posted: 18:54:26 01/15/04 Thu
真的可以嗎? 是情愛的情感, 還是友愛的情感呢? 若是情愛的情感, 可以克制不去摸她嗎? (總有點性期盼). 即可以摸, 還是不可以摸對方 ? ? 若是不可以, 會否有禁不住的一天 ? 這會令自己伴侶不快嗎 (即使她也表示玩這個Game和守The Rule-人是人, 不會因而散? 這就沒有穏定的同志關係, 也不用Gay Marriage了, 因為早晚都會散) 如果可以摸, 會否有一天變成集體性愛横行, 怎去阻止? 還是不去阻止? 若果男性也加 入這個Game, 批唔批準? 這可令人擔心boundary set唔到..於是, 我們就同志更加被說成濫交....
我明白你說的, 是用於突破人性中的汚點, 任由發展, 但實際上可行否? 有否做一個小型測試, 像電視中生物圈的實驗(eg分成traditonal relationship & open relationship 兩組,多對參加者在一段時間中的表現..其間遇上的問題和出現的好處....)以測定這open relationship的Rule of Game是否可行和改善..? 這是一個有趣的實驗.

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Date Posted: 14:21:33 01/16/04 Fri

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Date Posted: 02:12:07 01/15/04 Thu

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Date Posted: 16:17:43 01/15/04 Thu

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almond
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Date Posted: 09:32:46 01/15/04 Thu
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[> Subject: 琌ぃ骸partner癸ぃ┚,┮稱т虑癸ぃ┚? ㄤ龟璝琌盡,绊╄.璝獶盡,玦幢┯粄. 琌Τ翴癵ア? 刚刚ぃ↖癵,ぃ砱攀,ぃ篡腇(),砛穦"祇瞷".


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Date Posted: 11:03:32 01/15/04 Thu

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[> [> Subject: 琌穎碞"ぃ┚"?┪稲臦帝,璶场局Τ┢?痷盡盾?讽癸⊿Τぃ┚,Τぃ┚ㄓネ?玦幢┯粄. 琌Τ翴癵ア? 刚刚ぃ↖癵,ぃ竡,ぃ篡腇(),砛穦"祇瞷".


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Date Posted: 01:40:06 01/17/04 Sat

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[> [> [> Subject: *ぃ┚=ぃ┚龟,ぃ┚港* ⊿Τpartnerτ穎碞ぃぃ┚. Τpartnerτpartner硓臩穎,ぃ衡ぃ┚. "稲臦帝,璶场局Τ"и⊿Τ臦┪砆臦竒喷,┮ぃ"┢"琌appropriate adjective. иΤ痷盡竒喷,Τ痷ぃ盡竒喷. и⊿Τぃ┚ㄓネ. и⊿Τぃ┯粄. 瞷⊿Τ稰谋癵ア. 竒ぃ↖癵,ぃ篡腇. & i've just discovered myself. & u?


Author:
媚
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Date Posted: 04:26:55 01/17/04 Sat

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[> [> [> [> Subject: 碙癸よ,ㄤ龟琌癸и﹚,Τì镑獺,ぃ穦ㄢぇ丁畉钵翴ゅ彻.


Author:
cool
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Date Posted: 11:18:33 01/17/04 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: think i'm getting old. just can't tell who's talking to whom ... dizzy


Author:
媚
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Date Posted: 03:10:10 01/20/04 Tue

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[> Subject: 祇瞷, 琌ив常⊿Τ盉, 碞⊿Τ街ゴ衡蛤街筁ネ.⊿Τ钮筁盽Τ穦弧..и材ら穦翴..翴..礛翴..,ρオ翴.. 癸ㄓら戳,,(?) commitment ---not by any legal document , but by social recognition. Marriage is a mechanism to bond individuals, this being so functional(undeniably)


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^sanbofan^
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Date Posted: 01:45:36 01/18/04 Sun

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[> [> Subject: (1) 叫ぃ璶穌睹盉基, ê琌猽稲τ癬, 獶穦倒ぉぶ挡盉! 狦盉=┦, 竒γ琕盉種, 叫穌睲贰蔓ネ矹. (2) ⊿Τ钮筁, 碞单癸ゼㄓア辨盾? 醚眔碭钮筁碭量? ? ぼ? 虫琌翠碞Τ计窾в罢, и碞癸盢ㄓ獶盽Τ獺み罢.


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蓔
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Date Posted: 15:47:09 01/19/04 Mon

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[> [> [> Subject: (1) Marriage can be viewed as individual as well as social one , if its to be put in a social context. It's not my theory, if u know any of it, you will know it's major sociological thoughts in the world. (2)You seems so unreasonably furious , i am scared if lesbians become all like that.


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^sanbofan^
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Date Posted: 20:24:15 01/20/04 Tue

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