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Subject: Basic Information


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Jim Yule
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Date Posted: 08/ 27/ 03, 9:06pm

Help!!
I want to buy an older Wanderlodge due to my budget. I race and will be towing about 6000 to 8000 lbs. My questions are:

What at the HP and torque of the 3208, both turbo and regular?

Will a non-turbo 3208 do the job or must I go to the turbo? I know it does about 2700 rpm at 65 mph, but how will the acceleration be? Will it be OK for entry ramps on the expressways?

Will the Allison transmission hold up?

What about the brakes? will they do the job? How is the jake brake, should I buy one with one installed or are they more trouble than they are worth?

What else should I know about what I'm thinking about doing (pulling such a load)? (what are the pitfalls I should look for?)

Thanks for your help

Jim Yule

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Author:
Dan
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Date Posted: 08/ 28/ 03, 1:41pm

82 and earlier Fcs 3208 = 210 HP
83 = 225 HP, last 12 of the year 250 hp
84-86 250 Hp, all the above with Allison 4 Speed
87-89 FC 300 HP, ZF 5 speed. ZF has a trans brake.

Many older FCs have a 4 position driveline brake, works well.
My 83 FC35 225 HP, entry ramps are slow. Allisons in the FCs are tough trannies.

Get an FC with a driveline brake or tranny brake if you will be coing down lots of grades pulling 8,000 lbs.

Try asking on:
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Wanderlodge/ for more opinions.

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Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 08/ 30/ 03, 7:10pm

Get the most power you can afford.
The FCs are around 1,000lbs/foot, shorter is lighter and dropping from the 35 to the 33 or 31 will save a fair amount of weight (= increased power/weight ratio or more pulling power). Dropping from the 35 is good and bad, it loses the weight of the large 12.5kw diesel genset, but that diesel genset is very useful for extended dry-camping such as racing, has capacity to "buddy plug" another coach into it, or a race-car trailer complete with compressor ;~)
The 210hp has enough power for 55mph travels with your trailer on fairly flat terrain. On rolling terrain or to run 60-65 you will be happier with the 250hp (have one for sale), and to pull grades with more authority the 300hp with 5-speed will do pretty well.

The 225hp started in '83, along with the Jacobs EL (electric driveline retarder) retarder which is quite effective. The late '83 through '86 coaches had the 250hp and Jacobs EL also. In '87 they got the 300hp, a 5-speed overdrive ZF transmission with retarder.

I've had at least one of each, all nice coaches. Personally I would plan on at least a 250hp if its main job is to tow 6,000-8,000lbs, I towed 6,500 with my 210hp once, it took a lot of flat-pedal driving to keep 60. The 300 would be nice, but an '87-'89 will typically bring almost twice the price of an '83.

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