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Subject: Pulling Capability


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Jeff
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Date Posted: 02/ 19/ 03, 9:37pm

I'm interested in buying an early 80's to mid 80's Bluebird. I have a 7000 lb.loaded race car trailer to haul and I'm wondering if the smaller 31 or 33 foot units are capable of handling this trailer or do I need to get into the 35 foot plus units with the larger engine to do the job. I'd like to have the option of either unit depending on what I find, although I don't want to get in trouble with an underpowered unit. Also I noticed a fibreglass manufacturer of updated front and rear caps for the pre 85's. Do these work out nicely and do they work on either the big or small Bird's. I'm in California in case of any nice Bird's for sale out in the west I should know about. jeff@franciscollision.com eves 559.298.1456

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Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 02/ 20/ 03, 8:34am

The 31/33/35foot FC all get the same engine. In pre-83 it was a 210hp 3208na, in '83 a 225hp 3208turbo, '84 a 250hp turbo, in '87 a 300hp turbo. The turbo coaches usually had a taller differential so that they could run lower RPM as the turbo engine is limited to a lower RPM, pretty much a 67mph-70mph gearing. The '83-up also have a "retarder" which helps to keep speed down on the downgrades, especially helpful when pulling a heavy trailer I'd expect.
It will tow, but I found my 210hp 31' coach to be sluggish even in rolling terrain with 6000# in tow. The longer coaches will weigh more, the 35' is probably 5000# heavier than the 31' for the same year.
There are also pushers, starting in '82. They were pretty much all 330hp/5-speed DD 6V92TA turbos until '86 when the 450hp-500hp DD 8V92TA/4-speed became available, standard in widebodies and ran through '94.
A 250hp 31' or 33' would be a pretty good tugger in an FC, the additional wheelbase of the 35' is nice but with an extra 3000# over the 33', and the 300hp '87-up are nice tuggers also, it depends on how big a hurry you're in and whether you spend a lot of time in mountains. The pushers will typically be better tuggers although I have no complaints about the towing manners of my FC.
This is pretty much only about power/weight, as far as other factors like crosswind resistance and truck wake handling, any (properly aligned) Wanderlodge in these years is head and shoulders above a typical plastic disposable unit. Underpowered? a relative term and since you can pretty much just keep the hammer down up mountains without hurting anything, it is not as big a problem as in a gas unit which often can't handle extended pulls at full power without damage. They're built to take hard use.

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