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Subject: tonight's game Author: Vermonster [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 21:32:46 01/15/09 Thu Man, I wish I was in Poughkeepsie tonight. I saw the score on the bottom line on ESPN. Schneider and Hall tonight. wow. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: tonight's game Author: Andy [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:45:32 01/15/09 Thu If we lose this one it will rank in my top 5 of all time losses

[> [> Subject: Re: tonight's game Author: Marist Alum [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:51:33 01/15/09 Thu I'm done.... DONE DONE DONE Our program is cursed!!! CURSED CURSED How in the F**K did we blow that lead. HOW HOW HOW

[> Subject: Re: tonight's game Author: Andy [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:52:02 01/15/09 Thu 14 point lead with 3:26 left - this just ranks right up there - no rebuilding year, no we are young, no its a new system - we just flat out gave this game away at the FT line

[> Subject: Not ready for prime time fellas... Author: Oldfox [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:03:46 01/15/09 Thu I just hope this doesn't totally destroy them for the rest of the season. Thought Hall was gonna cry when he fouled out. Just gave it away.

[> [> Subject: MArist will learn from this game Author: Tony [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:25:36 01/15/09 Thu I'm impressed with your team. Martin is a very good coach, Marist will be back sooner rather than later. Chuck Martin is the best coach to come into the MAAC since Fran. Give him some time to recruit and Marist will be a force in the MAAC

[> [> [> Subject: Thanks Tony! Author: Oldfox [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:31:33 01/15/09 Thu Despite the collapse I'm quite impressed with Martin. He's got the foxes super competitive. They are just not very good up front and struggle at times with the fundamentals. You can't rush experience. They will win a bunch more games this year.

[> [> [> [> Subject: I was more impressed with Martin than Fran quite frankly. Author: MaacGruff [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:42:54 01/15/09 Thu The guy held is composure all nite. He out coached Siena 90% of the game and reinforced the fact, take away some of Siena's offensive "free lance" and you can hang with them to possibly win. Marist on the other hand has a purpose to their team offense. It's just a matter of time until they execute even better. Give Siena credit for putting on some pressure but honestly, we got real lucky tonite. Foxes, you're on the right path. Very impressive.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Well MaacGrufff... Author: Oldfox [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:48:29 01/15/09 Thu same old story for us Marist fans. You guys really didn't get lucky, Fran played the game out perfectly and it all when his way. Teams need to play solid fundamental basketball against the Saints and Marist forgot to do that in the last 3 minutes. Too many missed free throws, fouls and second chance points for the Saints. Marist melted under the weight of their own incompetence.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: If we're not lucky Author: MaacGruff [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:58:52 01/16/09 Fri we sure as hell are fortunate. Team must have found a chapel at half time. Still think your ship gets righted with time. Good luck!

[> [> [> Subject: Tony, very classy, thanks and great win for you guys. Author: Yankee [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:06:30 01/15/09 Thu

[> Subject: Re: tonight's game Author: MTS [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:34:03 01/15/09 Thu I don't know what to say guys. You were better most of the game. Hang in there...Marist is going to win a lot of games with Chuck Martin.

[> [> Subject: MTS, also classy. Marist is much better this year than I thought possible. Martin is a star. Author: Yankee [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:14:48 01/15/09 Thu

[> [> [> Subject: Re: MTS, also classy. Marist is much better this year than I thought possible. Martin is a star. Author: GGaff Alias Redfox [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 00:39:11 01/16/09 Fri MTS is very classy. On this board and the MAAC board. Never nasty and gives credit when due.

[> Subject: Re: tonight's game Author: Red Fox 5 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:36:57 01/15/09 Thu Thanks for the kind words MTS and Tony. This was a tough one to swallow. Aside from Marist bombing at the line I have to give credit to Downey. Very impressive young player. His shots at the end of regulation were huge for you guys.

[> Subject: Re: tonight's game Author: Yankee [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:05:50 01/15/09 Thu I will not say Marist choked this game away because that would take credit away from how well Marist played and the incredible clutch play of Siena at the end. Instead I will just focus on things that stood out to me from both teams. For Marist: I now believe in them more than I ever have. They will be a tough game for anyone the rest of the season. Everyone played their butts off, great defensive intensity. Hall is gonna be a star. Devezin shined at times, I loved his aggressiveness this game. Parris is a top defender and tough on the boards. He is underrated. Schneider is much better on the boards than I ever thought he could be this year. Kaylen Gregory has proven he deserves meaningful minutes, he has great touch on his outside shot and that alley-oop slam was a beauty, almost broke my leg jumping in the stands. Bauer is their best inside guy, he needs the important minutes. Only negatives would be Williams hands. They are really really bad. Marist can use this as a learning experience with how the game ended. They are young, and Chuck will focus on the positives I believe. Great game from Marist. Siena-Rossiter has improved LEAPS AND BOUNDS. Great interior moves, plays tougher than his size. Franklin beast inside getting to the line. Downey maybe with the most clutch play at the end of the game in the history of McCann. He is a star in the making. He stays calm, even when he is making great plays, doesn't go nuts. Not only offensively, but he blocked a three by Goodwin. He was the difference. I am as impressed with him as I was with Machado. Negatives would be Ubiles was not in game today, Hasbrouck seems less confident. INCREDIBLE JOB by the Siena fans who traveled to the game. I know some might say they are close, but it is a Thursday night and it is freezing. They were loud and their were a lot of them. Overall, great game. Their are a lot of positives to be taken from this for Marist. I know longer consider them just a nuisance team. They have a legitimate shot to cause trouble in the MAAC tourney. Siena with an absolute clutch performance at the end.

[> Subject: Re: tonight's game Author: GGaff [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 00:20:29 01/16/09 Fri What a tough ride home that was... The better team didn't win tonight. The foul shooting was the worst I've ever seen in the last two minutes. Missed layups hurt as well. I thought the key plays were leaving Downey wide open for the three in the corner and the play where Goodwin saved the ball under their own basket. If he throws that towards midcourt they win the game. He threw it right to Siena for a layup. For the pre-Valvano part of the game, I thought Marist played a great game. Devezin pretty much can do whatever he wants. I thought Marist's defense was awesome for the first 38 minutes. The gap between the two teams is not much at all. Maybe I'm biased, but Marist can definitely hang with them. I don't think it's any fluke. They should have won this game by double digits. Give Siena credit. They hung in. If Marist even makes 1-2 at the line every time, they win by 8. Keep the faith boys, Marist can compete now. Wait until the troops come in next year. Kaylen is playing great. It's too bad he never got a chance until this year. Hall is a star. He's only going to get better. My pre-season pick for MAAC ROY is making me very proud. There is no curse. Martin will be raising multiple banners in the next three years. Think about it. If this is the juggernaut that everybody is supposed to be worried about, any improvement puts the Foxes at the top. The players he has coming in are light years better than some of his holdovers. That being said, I love this team. They will smile a lot the rest of the year. They will rebound from this loss and it will make them stronger in the long run.

[> Subject: Re: tonight's game Author: CTfoxfan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 00:35:21 01/16/09 Fri My first time back at McCann is a long time. That game ripped my heart out. So many good, good things, so many bad. For Marist best and worst: Best: Coach Martin- He worked the guards in and out of the game like a mad scientist. He is some presence on the side line. Worst: Williams' Hands- My, God, man! Squeeze the ball!!!I don't know if you can fix that in a player. He was born with four feet. Hall should remember this game in the off season by shooting 500 FT's a day. Great game by both teams. Great teams win games like that and the young teams usually lose them. Great turn out for a winter session game. The rivalry continues.

[> [> Subject: Re: tonight's game Author: maristgrad [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:58:29 01/16/09 Fri I was hoping a good night sleep would ease my frustration but this morning it's even worse. Not that I was able to sleep after that debacle. In 26 years of following Marist Basketball, I've seen plenty of bad games(mostly coached by Magarity) but I can honestly say that last night's game was the worst I've ever seen. I'm baffled how a team can be so good for 38 minutes and so bad for 7. Someone PLEASE teach Hall how to make a free throw! If he can't, he has no business playing Division One college basketball. He wasn't alone. Marist missed eight free throws in the final 2:07. EIGHT! All they had to do is hit one of those and they would have won. They committed seven fouls in that same stretch. Unbelieveable. I don't care how Siena fans and the Albany media spin this one. Siena did not win. Marist lost. Now, having vented, let me say I was very pleased with Schneider who I felt was huge in the second half. I'm also pleased with the way they played in that first 38 minutes, and coupled with the Niagara game, they show plenty of promise for the future. Despite the collapse last night, I still think they'll surprise some teams in the MAAC Tourny.

[> [> Subject: Re: tonight's game Author: GGaff [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:03:14 01/16/09 Fri They were 9-18 down the stretch. It didn't even seem that good. Hall was 6-10. I think Goodwin missing two was the bigger shocker. Coach Martin has taken a cast of misfits and turned them into a pretty good little basketball team. Think about how good they'll be when he has an interior scorer and more depth. He'll have both next year. Now we know that there is nobody in league clearly better than them. You're right about LB. I root like hell for him but the hands and missed dunks get frustrating. He missed one which guaranteed two points with a chance at 3. Instead, they ended up with one point. Vouyoukas and Bauer? each missed bunnies. Live and learn. As much as this was a tough loss, this will help them in the long run. Hall is a star. We'll see Parris as a backup next year, playing great D for 10-15 minutes a game. One thing I noticed. I know Franklin ended up with a decent amount of points. No easy layups though. He got a lot of of his points with Marist up big. I think Schneider can control him pretty well. They did a great job on Ubiles. Marist's D for 38 minutes was relentless. Stay positive Fox Fans. Potown will soon be Titletown...

[> [> [> Subject: Maristgrad, I feel your pain... Author: Oldfox [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:24:13 01/16/09 Fri but this pales in comparison to the Monmouth debacle when Tomidy scored 6 points and the one kid killed them, the 2002 collapse in Albany as the 1 seed and 2007 in Bridgeport. They were the favs in all of those games, last night they were the upstart. They were incompetent in the last 3 minutes and paid for it. I point to Goodwin also, but while it might seem he's been around forever, he has only played since last year. The front court is a disaster, you can't expect to beat a team like Siena playing 3.5 against 5. The are not ready for prime time, but they better be ready for Loyola, because what happens next is far more important to them than what happened last night. One last thing. In the last 3 minutes Siena gave them opportunities at the foul line to win the game, and they didn't take advantage, while Siena took advantage of all the opportunities presented by Marist's bricks. That in the end was the difference. Nobody is talking about the Downey kid being the next coming if Hall, Goodwin and JB make their free throws.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Maristgrad, I feel your pain... Author: CTfoxfan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:36:03 01/16/09 Fri OF, I completely agree. In the last two minutes they did everything right and we did everything wrong. We gift wrapped it for them. I am so hung over from that game and I didnt touch a drop. Has anyone heard anything substantial from Chuck. A game like that could mess a team up for a while. Feel extra bad for the seniors. Maybe one more shot at them in Albany.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Post game press conference up on GoRedFoxes... Author: Oldfox [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:20:32 01/16/09 Fri No matter the tone of some of the posts over ont the Siena Board they really don't want to see us. The spin is "Marist played their A game, we played or C game, we still won." Well now this is the second time that they have brought their C game against Marist and gotten away with it. Jeesh, maybe Marist has something to do with that. Don't know if they really want to test that hypothesis out again, when they will be feeling the pressure of tournament expectations. The other spin is "I don't want to hear anything from Marist fans about free throw shooting, Siena missed more." Why should I give a shit how many Siena missed, the more the merrier. The fact of the matter is, if Marist make it's free throws to sustain the lead down the stretch there is no opportunity for Siena run and score quickly off the misses. Which was the only way they could possibly get back into the game. Marist epic display of incompetence fueled the comeback, you can't possibly make a case for Siena winning any other way.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Post game press conference up on GoRedFoxes... Author: maristgrad [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:19:06 01/16/09 Fri That's what I was afraid of. I anticipated all the "What a great job by Siena" talk up here today because it seems every Siena supporter has been drinking that "We're going to the finbal four" koolaid since June. And just when I though my expectations would be met, a good friend of mine who played for Siena in the '50s and knows more about Siena basketball in the past 50 years than anyone I know said to me "I don't want to see Marist again." He was at the game and agreed that Siena got lucky in that last couple of minutes.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Maristgrad, I feel your pain... Author: GGaff [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:03:14 01/16/09 Fri Marist made Siena play their C game. Siena isn't the dominant force they think they are. If you walked off of Mars and watched the first 38 minutes, you'd think Marist was the top dog. Keep in mind Marist led them with around 10 to go in Albany until they ran out of gas. Gregory now gives them minutes which he didn't then. I'm not scared one bit of them. Let's do round three. I'd love to beat them in Albany. They were so proud when they won in Bridgeport 2 yrs ago. It's time to rain on their parade with an upset. I honestly think it can be done.

[> Subject: Re: tonight's game Author: markovucajnkfan11 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:37:39 01/16/09 Fri I wish Chuck had gone offense/defense and put 5 guards on the floor in that end sequence.... we couldn't get the ball up the floor and Bauer would just be standing around on the other end of the court. If there were more options to pass it in, Hall wouldn't have to be the one getting fouled every time. KG alley oop from Goodwin was the best alley oop I've seen since the days of Carl Hood (H TOWN BABY). Didn't he have a more significant one to win a game or something? I forget. My first game since they lost to Rider in the MAACs last year, and I forgive Schneider for missing a zillion shots. The guy is a stud, although I wish he could post up a little or find a way to get open other than standing in the corner and waiting for Ubiles to shade off. RJ Hall needs to get on the Matt Brady shooting program. He doesn't shoot "through the window" and has a little slingshot that goes off to the side. Who is number 3 on Siena? He killed us.

[> [> Subject: Re: tonight's game Author: markovucajnkfan11 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:39:06 01/16/09 Fri Also, what is this thing with everyone pulling out chairs and sitting on the court during timeouts? Is this a Chuck invention? In any event, I love it, it's like Chuck is conducting a business meeting, and it forces everyone to gather around rather than dawdling off to the sides Dennis Young style.

[> Subject: Re: tonight's game Author: Ken [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:03:32 01/16/09 Fri One of the toughest losses I've witnessed at McCann in the 24 years I've been going. I agree with just about everything already stated. I would like to add that though Martin is the reason we had that game in the bag he is also the reason we lost. He should have told Hall to get rid of the ball before he was fouled but instead RJ wanted to be the hero and wound up being the goat. Freshman! Coach Martin should have had some type of play for the final seconds of regulation. Gregory walking the ball down the court not knowing how much time was left and not knowing what to do is the coaches fault. Rookie head coaches! That said, the future is bright, very bright. I just wish we had more than 2 good players (Devezin & Schneider) Yankee: I told Fran that Ralph Willard wanted to talk to him twice, once when he walked in and again with a minute or so left in OT. I also told (yelled to) him he was quite the Man for shaking hands with the Marist team.