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Date Posted: 11:47:53 09/12/19 Thu
Author: Rick Lay
Author Host/IP: 38.101.220.234
Subject: Re: Liga de Fútbol Americano Profesional (LFA)
In reply to: charles arey 's message, "Re: Liga de Fútbol Americano Profesional (LFA)" on 15:37:36 04/04/19 Thu

>>Mexico has a professional football league. Any chance
>>of adding them to the site?
>>
>I looked into that league, and I think it's a little
>too bush-league for me to want to cover it, by which I
>mean "amateurish" and/or "unstable". Wikipedia refers
>to it as a "semi-professional" league, of which there
>are something like 25-35 in North America, and I
>certainly have no intention of trying to cover all
>those leagues. (One anecdote for LFA is "the Mexicas
>generated controversy by refusing to play against the
>Dinos in Week 3 [2018], after a serious knee injury to
>wide receiver Mubalama Massimango that occurred in
>Week 1").
>
>The more fundamental problem is that I am not fluent
>in the Spanish language (I know a couple hundred
>words) which would make it difficult to accurately
>maintain a page for the league. It's one thing to
>locate some photograph of a helmet design for some
>team, but something else altogether to ascertain
>whether the photograph is from the current season or
>some previous year for the team in question, lacking
>fluency in the language (and this comes up sometimes
>with the college teams in Quebec, as I lack fluency in
>French, also).
>
>This is also why I have not added the Mexican college
>teams to the website, which would be a natural next
>addition to the site (and I feel somewhat bad about
>not having added that category to the website). The
>Mexican college teams have shown some longevity,
>unlike the average semi-pro league.
>
>Aside from all that there is of course the issue that
>I can't even get caught up with the teams already
>covered at the website, due to all the multiple-helmet
>design teams...

Well, if you ever decide to cover this league, this will help make it easier:

Saltillo Dinos: http://lfa.mx/2018/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/cascoDINOS.png

Monterrey Smelters: http://lfa.mx/2018/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/cascoFUNDIDORES.png

Toluca Bears: http://lfa.mx/2018/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/cascoOSOS.png

Naucalpan Raptors: http://lfa.mx/2018/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/cascoRAPTORS.png

Puebla Artillerymen: http://lfa.mx/2018/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/cascoARTILLEROS.png

Condors CDMX: http://lfa.mx/2018/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/cascoCONDORS.png

Mayas CDMX: http://lfa.mx/2018/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/cascoMAYAS.png

Mexicans CDMX: http://lfa.mx/2018/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/cascoMEXICAS.png

Querétaro Pioneers: http://lfa.mx/2018/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/cascoPIONEROS.png

If not, at least you have them for future reference. Note, CDMX stands for Mexico City. And I'm dubious that Wikipedia calls it "semi-pro", I'd like a citation on that.

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[> [> [> Re: Liga de Fútbol Americano Profesional (LFA) -- charles arey, 20:39:58 09/12/19 Thu (173.184.77.187)

> And I'm dubious that Wikipedia calls it "semi-pro", I'd >like a citation on that.

As far as that's concerned, this is what wikipedia presently states: "The Liga de Fútbol Americano Profesional (LFA) is a semi-professional [citation needed] American football spring league in Mexico, founded in 2016" (of course, anybody can edit Wikipedia).

"Semi-pro" would seem a reasonable label if the following statement (also from wikipedia) is accurate: "Like the NFL, the LFA has a salary cap. The current salary cap is $1,100,000 MXN (approximately $57,000 USD) for the entire season. On average, a player receives only $11,000 MXN (approximately $600 USD) per year.[14] However, due to the low salary, it prevents players from professionally dedicating themselves to football full time. This not only reduces the overall level of competition, but also makes the LFA less attractive to collegiate talent that would play in the league if there was a higher salary."

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[> [> [> [> Re: Liga de Fútbol Americano Profesional (LFA) -- No name, 19:14:22 09/13/19 Fri (24.98.169.121)

>> And I'm dubious that Wikipedia calls it "semi-pro",
>I'd >like a citation on that.
>
>As far as that's concerned, this is what wikipedia
>presently states: "The Liga de Fútbol Americano
>Profesional (LFA) is a semi-professional [citation
>needed] American football spring league in Mexico,
>founded in 2016" (of course, anybody can edit
>Wikipedia).
>
>"Semi-pro" would seem a reasonable label if the
>following statement (also from wikipedia) is accurate:
>"Like the NFL, the LFA has a salary cap. The current
>salary cap is $1,100,000 MXN (approximately $57,000
>USD) for the entire season. On average, a player
>receives only $11,000 MXN (approximately $600 USD) per
>year.[14] However, due to the low salary, it prevents
>players from professionally dedicating themselves to
>football full time. This not only reduces the overall
>level of competition, but also makes the LFA less
>attractive to collegiate talent that would play in the
>league if there was a higher salary."

I'll be honest, I've come into a lot of debates about what "semi-pro" actually means. My understanding has always been that "pro" means that you get paid for participating. So NFL, CFL, Arena, AAF, XFL, UFSL, UFL, WFL, etc. all qualify as pro because they pay the players. Semi-pro is where you don't get paid. I use to work with the Louisville Bulls in the Mid-Continental Football League and no one ever got paid. It was a league for high school guys that never made it to college or college guys who never made it to the pros. The fact that you didn't make money is what, I understood, qualified it as semi-pro. I think that if a league pays you, no matter how much it is, you're considered a pro, as one becomes a "professional" once you're paid. As an example, if you play video games, you're not a pro gamer unless you get paid/sponsored. Otherwise you're just playing games. I think that's true for all professions. So, to me, semi-pro means not paid and pro means paid. I find it odd that most people I talk to consider semi-pro anything not the NFL. Like the NFL is the end all be all of professional football. If you played in the AAF, you played in pro football. If you play in the CFL, you're a pro football player. If you played in Japan's X-League, well you are a pro football player. I think most people think that NFL has the monopoly on the term as they are the most popular pro league and I think that's where most people get confused. Truth is the NFL, CFL, and X-League are all professional football leagues, just in different countries. And I would think that the LFA is a pro league as they pay their players and, as far as I can tell, are the only pro league in Mexico.

That's just my two cents, but it's your website, I just thought I'd open up a dialogue about the confusion over semi-pro.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Liga de Fútbol Americano Profesional (LFA) -- Ted, 10:27:21 09/14/19 Sat (72.238.244.170)

>I'll be honest, I've come into a lot of debates about
>what "semi-pro" actually means.

There really is nothing to debate on this, as it is quite clear.

>My understanding has
>always been that "pro" means that you get paid for
>participating. So NFL, CFL, Arena, AAF, XFL, UFSL,
>UFL, WFL, etc. all qualify as pro because they pay the
>players. Semi-pro is where you don't get paid.

Not getting paid is called amateur.

>I think
>that if a league pays you, no matter how much it is,
>you're considered a pro, as one becomes a
>"professional" once you're paid. As an example, if you
>play video games, you're not a pro gamer unless you
>get paid/sponsored. Otherwise you're just playing
>games. I think that's true for all professions.

Just because someone has the word "pro" in front of what they do (like a gamer), doesn't necessarily mean they are indeed a professional.

>I find
>it odd that most people I talk to consider semi-pro
>anything not the NFL.

Because right now, that IS the case. But don't take my word for it, look at what Wikipedia has to say: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-professional_sports

Or see what Merriam-Webster has to say on this:
semiprofessional adjective

Definition of semiprofessional (Entry 2 of 2)
1 : engaging in an activity for pay or gain but not as a full-time occupation

That last part is the key. NOT AS A FULL-TIME OCCUPATION. As such, the LFA most certainly IS a semi-pro league, since players only make $600 a year. That is not enough to live on for a full year, so all LFA players must have other employment to survive financially. NFL players do not need other jobs.

>If you played in the
>AAF, you played in pro football.

Correct. At $83,000 a year (planned, since the league had issues even finishing), AAF players could live off of that income, making them full professionals. LFA? Not so much. The XFL will be a professional league as well, albeit a minor league.

>I think most people think that NFL has the monopoly on
>the term as they are the most popular pro league and I
>think that's where most people get confused.

The only one confused here is you. This is a simple. Semi-pro (part time job), professional (full time job).

>And I
>would think that the LFA is a pro league as they pay
>their players and, as far as I can tell, are the only
>pro league in Mexico.

If you can't make it a full time job, it is semi-pro. The U.S. has quite a few semi-pro football leagues. No one would ever confuse them for being professional leagues.

>I just thought I'd open up a dialogue about the
>confusion over semi-pro.

There is no confusion about this. Here's another dictionary for you to look at if you didn't like the previous one:
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/semiprofessional

sem·i·pro·fes·sion·al (sĕm′ē-prə-fĕsh′ə-nəl, sĕm′ī-)
adj.
1. Taking part in a sport for pay but not on a full-time basis.

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>>>Mexico has a professional football league. Any chance >>>of adding them to the site? >>> >>I looked into that league, and I think it's a little >>too bush-league for me to want to cover it, by which I >>mean "amateurish" and/or "unstable". Wikipedia refers >>to it as a "semi-professional" league, of which there >>are something like 25-35 in North America, and I >>certainly have no intention of trying to cover all >>those leagues. (One anecdote for LFA is "the Mexicas >>generated controversy by refusing to play against the >>Dinos in Week 3 [2018], after a serious knee injury to >>wide receiver Mubalama Massimango that occurred in >>Week 1"). >> >>The more fundamental problem is that I am not fluent >>in the Spanish language (I know a couple hundred >>words) which would make it difficult to accurately >>maintain a page for the league. It's one thing to >>locate some photograph of a helmet design for some >>team, but something else altogether to ascertain >>whether the photograph is from the current season or >>some previous year for the team in question, lacking >>fluency in the language (and this comes up sometimes >>with the college teams in Quebec, as I lack fluency in >>French, also). >> >>This is also why I have not added the Mexican college >>teams to the website, which would be a natural next >>addition to the site (and I feel somewhat bad about >>not having added that category to the website). The >>Mexican college teams have shown some longevity, >>unlike the average semi-pro league. >> >>Aside from all that there is of course the issue that >>I can't even get caught up with the teams already >>covered at the website, due to all the multiple-helmet >>design teams... > >Well, if you ever decide to cover this league, this >will help make it easier: > >Saltillo Dinos: >http://lfa.mx/2018/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/cascoDINO >S.png > >Monterrey Smelters: >http://lfa.mx/2018/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/cascoFUND >IDORES.png > >Toluca Bears: >http://lfa.mx/2018/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/cascoOSOS >.png > >Naucalpan Raptors: >http://lfa.mx/2018/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/cascoRAPT >ORS.png > >Puebla Artillerymen: >http://lfa.mx/2018/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/cascoARTI >LLEROS.png > >Condors CDMX: >http://lfa.mx/2018/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/cascoCOND >ORS.png > >Mayas CDMX: >http://lfa.mx/2018/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/cascoMAYA >S.png > >Mexicans CDMX: >http://lfa.mx/2018/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/cascoMEXI >CAS.png > >Querétaro Pioneers: >http://lfa.mx/2018/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/cascoPION >EROS.png > >If not, at least you have them for future reference. >Note, CDMX stands for Mexico City. And I'm dubious >that Wikipedia calls it "semi-pro", I'd like a >citation on that.
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