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Date Posted: 13:54:40 07/10/04 Sat
Author: No name
Subject: TRUE! MOST KIDS HATE ALL THIS GARB. DO THESE PARENTS REALIZE HOW STUPID IT LOOKS FOR A BABY WITH FAKE HAIR ,EYELASHES,FAKE TAN,AND LIPS DRAWN ON
In reply to: 's message, "Re: PAGEANTS ARE ABUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" on 19:27:08 06/27/04 Sun

RIDING IN A BABY CARRIAGE SUCKING A PACIFIER! MOMS SHOULD KNOW THE REAL PROBLEM IS THAT YOU GREW UP FEELING INSECURE ABOUT YOUR OWN LOOKS AND NOW FEEL THE NEED TO CORRECT THIS BY OVER DOING YOUR KIDS. STEP BACK AND TAKE A LOOK. YOU KNOW THIS IS TRUE . IT HAS BEGUN TO GET EMBARASSING TO ACKNOWLEDGE BEING IN PAGEANTS. THE WORLD LOOKS AT YOU AS A DEPRIVED INDIVIDUAL FORCING YOUR CHILD TO GIVE UP HER WEEKENDS TO APPEASE POOR MOM! RECENT STUDIES SHOW THAT THE AVERAGE PAGEANT PARENT IS MIDDLE CLASS TO POOR AND WITHOUT COLLEGE EDUCATION. THEREBY MAKING THIS SO CALLED SPORT ONE OF LOW IQ'S. THIS IS WHY THESE PEOPLE BECOME EASY TARGETS FOR THE SCAMS THAT TAKE PLACE HIDDEN BY THE TANNERS,H/M PEOPLE/CLOTHING DESIGNERS,DIRECTORS,PHOTOGRAPHERS AND THE LIST GOES ON WITH THESE OVERNIGHT PROFESSIONALS.

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[> [> [> [> And come to find out that most abused wives are abused by COLLEGE GRADS MALES so get over yourself with the "it's abuse because of economics" crap! -- No name, 14:56:57 07/12/04 Mon


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[> [> [> [> Re: TRUE! MOST KIDS HATE ALL THIS GARB. DO THESE PARENTS REALIZE HOW STUPID IT LOOKS FOR A BABY WITH FAKE HAIR ,EYELASHES,FAKE TAN,AND LIPS DRAWN ON -- No name, 12:55:21 07/31/04 Sat

EXCUSE ME? Being middle class/poor and not going to college makes a person have a low IQ?? Just where did you read that garbage? I happen to have a genius IQ and I chose NOT to go to college. I'm middle class, but we're comfortable, even though I'm "Suzy Homemaker". My daughter is involved in pageants because it teaches her GOOD self-esteem and social skills. As for it being to bolster my own confidence, I happen to be a fairly beautiful woman, not drop-dead gorgeous, but still beautiful. There may be mothers out there like that, but we aren't ALL like that. It's not abuse for us...I don't berate my child for not wanting to do something, and I don't make her feel like a "loser" if she doesn't win...that would undermine how pageants teach her self-confidence. We're in it for the fun, so it doesn't matter if she wins or loses. It may be that way for some mothers, but not all of us.

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[> [> [> [> [> You can tell this is from a new pageant mom!! Probably does not even compete in glitz pageants, just local nothing pageants. Not a clue! -- No name, 07:22:16 08/02/04 Mon


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: You can tell this is from a new pageant mom!! Probably does not even compete in glitz pageants, just local nothing pageants. Not a clue! -- No name, 20:38:16 08/15/04 Sun

No, we don't do glitz pageants, but what does that have to do with anything? I know just how much they cost, I know what goes into them, the money, the coaching, the custom dresses, the fact that some mothers use flippers, falls, minis, etc.. Yes, we do compete locally, but the pageants that we do are far from nothing pageants, they're generally charity pageants, like for Cystic Fibrosis and such. And no, I'm not new to the pageant world. I competed myself, won on different levels. I've worked in the fields of modeling and photography, so I know what a person can and will spend on photography, coaching, etc. Claiming that I don't have a clue just because I choose not to do glitz is arrogant. That is my personal choice and it is rather unkind of you to criticize me for that. You don't know me.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: You can tell this is from a new pageant mom!! Probably does not even compete in glitz pageants, just local nothing pageants. Not a clue! -- No name, 20:50:26 08/15/04 Sun

My kid doesnt do glitz pageants either. Pretty damn snobby of you to put those of us down who choose not to put our kids in glitz pageants---we do it because we DO have a clue. My daughter hates the glitz pageants.

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[> [> [> [> [> THIS IS SOOOO FUNNY! WELL LISTEN GENIUS -- No name, 19:08:18 08/03/04 Tue

CAN'T IMAGINE WHERE YOU HAD YOUR IQ TESTED BUT I BET IT WAS ON A SCRATCH OFF DOWN AT YOUR LOCAL 7/11 STORE. I CAN TELL FROM THIS POST THAT YOU ARE FAR FROM INTELLIGENT AND WHO IS PROUD OF MIDDLE CLASS? I KNOW YOU ARE A REAL BEAUTY SPENDING HER DAYS IN THAT BIG DOUBLE WIDE GLUEING STONES ON THAT DRESS. YOUR DAUGHTER'S ROOM NOT BIG ENOUGH TO SLEEP IN BUT FULL OF PRELIM CROWNS! THIS IS EXACTLY THE SORT OF MOM THAT TURNS BITTER WHEN HER DAUGHTER FINALLY MOVES ON TO SOMETHING WORTHWHILE TO DO.FOR ONE BIG THING IT TAKES NO INTELLIGENCE TO BE PAGEANTS AND EVEN LESS THAN THAT TO SPEND THEIR DIME ON A MISS POTATOE HEAD PAGEANT AT THE LOCAL HIGH SCHOOL GYM ON A SATURDAY. DO YOU REALLY FEEL LIKE YOU WON SOMETHING? IT IS SAD TO SEE ALL THESE VENDORS AND PAGEANT DIRECTORS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF ALL THE LESS THAN GIFTED PARENTS WITH CHIILDREN THAT WOULD RATHER BE ANYWHERE BUT THERE! COME ON TRY TO MAKE YOURSELF FEEL BETTER BECAUSE YOU ARE THE ONES WANTING TO BE AT THESE USELESS COMPETITIONS. WAKE UP! YOU ARE SPENDING THREE TIMES THE MONEY YOU NEED TO. BUY SOME CROWNS ,STICK A SASH ON HER AND PARADE HER THRU BURGER KING! REALLY!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> You need evaluated. -- No name, 13:57:22 08/05/04 Thu

I am a college student, and my daughter does pageant and my husband made $98,000 last year...so we arent' poor, I'm not uneducated so there goes your theory all to hell....your obesession is really frightening though....you need to move on...find a hobby. buy a dog, or a girlfriend.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> All the screaming prove him/her to be a jealous trailer kook that's mad because the IQ scratch off at 7/11 gave him/her a LOW score! LOL! -- No name, 15:36:02 08/05/04 Thu


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: You need evaluated. -- No name, 19:22:18 08/05/04 Thu

New subject please..newbie is getting old.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: THIS IS SOOOO FUNNY! WELL LISTEN GENIUS -- No name, 22:56:59 08/15/04 Sun

I have to wonder at your anger and hostility. Where does so much hate come from? No, as a matter of fact, my IQ was not rated by some "scratch-off", as you so eloquently put it. It was tested by the MENSA Society. I do not live in a doublewide,(although there is nothing shameful in that. Are you a snob, or are you mad because you do live in a doublewide and are unhappy about it?) but in a beautiful brick home that is bought and paid for. Our daughters have lovely rooms, as do our sons, with a generous expanse of space to sleep, play, and study in. I do not spend my days placing stones on dresses, I have more worthwhile activities with which to pass my time. I did state that we were comfortable. My husband owns his own business and I am a writer. My children are involved in other activities, but since they are under the age of 7, their options are sadly limited. However, they are involved with their youth groups at church where they have helped organize clothing and food drives; they participate in "Toys for Tots" every year; they collect money for charitable organizations, such as the "Make A Wish" foundation, and for research foundations, such as those for Cystic Fibrosis, Breast Cancer, and MS. Every year after their birthdays and Christmas, they go through their toys and donate their old toys to charity. (They are only allowed to donate toys that are in excellent condition, not anything that is better off in the trash.) They are also involved in sports, such as soccer, baseball, gymnastics, dance, etc.. They are involved in their school organizations. Sometimes they also attend our committee meetings, as well. We can provide our children with anything they desire, however, we refuse to allow them to become spoiled, selfish little brats who care for nothing but themselves and exect everything to be handed to them. We expect them to be grateful for what they have the good fortune of having, and to not look down upon others who are less fortunate.

Perhaps I should have classified myself as upper-middle class? I have to wonder what socio-economic class you fall into, that you would think that there is a blight on those of the middle class? A person should be proud of what they have, especially if they worked hard for it. We didn't use credit cards to gain what we have, we aren't in debt up to our ears because of what we have, and we refuse to become slaves to the "almighty dollar". We actually own what we have, it is all ours. There are no payments to worry about lapsing, nothing that wasn't saved for. I believe that those are things to be proud of. Only a person who hasn't worked a day in their life for anything, who has had things handed to them all their life, or someone who is middle to low-income and not happy with their life and bitter about their circumstances would sneer at someone being proud of what they have, even if that is upper-middle class. Your comment makes me wonder just exactly where you fall.

As I just stated, our daughter does have other worthwhile involvements in her life, and should she decide that she no longer wishes to participate in pageants, that would be quite fine with me. There would be no bitterness, because our daughter's worth lie within HERSELF. Not in some crown that will do nothing more significant than sit on a shelf somewhere, gathering dust. Our daughter participates in pageants because she enjoys it, and that is more worthwhile than anything else...doing something that she enjoys, be it a pageant, or a pirouette, or visiting a sick child in the hospital. That is what makes anything that they do worthwhile.

As for your remarks pertaining to my intelligence and my beauty...well, I'm not the one who misspelled words in my post. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and I am quite satisfied with my petite frame, I do not need plastic surgery to remove or add anything to my body, I do not dye my hair. I am not drop-dead gorgeous, as I stated before, but I have also participated in pageants on different levels, I did modeling, and I have worked in photography, so yes, I do believe that I can be classified as a beautiful woman. I cannot understand why you have so much venom and hate residing within you that you would personally attack me. I find your comments rude, uncouth, and positively boorish. Parade my child through Burger King? Please, you actually EAT there??

Do I think that I have actually won something?? Why, yes, I have. That shine of joy in my daughter's eyes, that radiance that emanates from her face, the lighthearted laughter that resonates from her when she's playing with the other girls...THAT is what I have won....the joy of seeing my daughter do something that she loves and wants to do. Watching her grow into a poised young lady, instead of just another girl, well, that is worth more than anything else in the world.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Just curious, how old is your daughter? I am just wondering who you are doing this for? You obviously love to either hear yourself speak, or read what you have written. -- No name, 06:39:46 08/16/04 Mon


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Just curious, how old is your daughter? I am just wondering who you are doing this for? You obviously love to either hear yourself speak, or read what you have written. -- No name, 20:46:45 08/16/04 Mon

Neither of the above, I was only trying to explain that her accusations and presumptions about what kind of life I live were erroneous. Who am I doing what for?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: THIS IS SOOOO FUNNY! WELL LISTEN GENIUS -- No name, 10:32:29 08/16/04 Mon

You are obviously an idiot--it is people like you who are so snobby and catty that give pageant moms a bad name. Why don't you all just shut-up? If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.

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[> [> [> [> . -- No name, 20:12:43 08/05/04 Thu

You poor thing. It must have been hard on you when you were younger and did not think you looked good enough. Pageants are NOT about beauty. During the "beauty" competition they are judged on their poise, modeling and comfort on stage if they look beautiful that is not a mark against them. It does help with self esteam and getting use to being the focus of attention/speaking/performing in front of a group. How many times has a child (even in high school) stood to give a report and kept saying "um..um" and stairing at the ground trying to read the few little bits they wrote on a piece of paper? Yeah, those kids were neglected by their parents for giving them low self esteam and not helping coach them along the way. Those kids will have to either learn in college or flip burgers.

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[> [> [> [> [> Didn't look good enough, but pageants are NOT about beauty? Is there any chance you can comprehend the term OXYMORON? Look it up and get back with me. -- No name, 22:39:57 08/05/04 Thu


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[> [> [> [> HOW STUPID CAN YOU BE???!!! -- No name, 06:58:16 08/06/04 Fri

I am a Middle Class Mom of 3 and my children are all into something...My boys, Sports/Band, etc. and My Daughter is does Cheerleading and Dance, Plus LOVES her Pageants!! I am not Rich by far, but to give to my children & see them Happy at something they LOVE to do is MY Pleasure in Life!! I was not some snooty upper-class Bitch growing up, but whatever I wanted most of the time I had, and my Parents made sure of this. There is nothing wrong with spending Money that we make on something Our Kids LOVE!! It doesn't have to be some Low-Income Parent or someone who had no self esteem growing up to put their child in Beauty Pageants! Where is Your Degree that gives you the right to say these things??? Just because someone doesn't have a million dollars and didn't go to College, Does NOT make them Poverty Stricken, and surely doesn't make them low income or low self-esteemed, so therefore, they have to stick their Kid into a Beauty Pageant to make up for their "Aweful Lives" as a child... Get a Grip on your Hate, and go tell it to someone that cares what you think, because obviously NO ONE here does!!!

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: HOW STUPID CAN YOU BE???!!! -- No name, 11:44:16 08/06/04 Fri

Yes believe it or not pageant are about INNER beauty as well as out! I have saw some GORGEOUS girls lose because they lacked poise or enthusiasm, or couldn't interview well. So it does trakes more than a good face to win! Pageant have helped me build confidence. I am still a but shy at public speaking, but by competiting in pageants, I have gotten more comfortable speaking in front of an audience.

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[> [> [> [> Re: TRUE! MOST KIDS HATE ALL THIS GARB. DO THESE PARENTS REALIZE HOW STUPID IT LOOKS FOR A BABY WITH FAKE HAIR ,EYELASHES,FAKE TAN,AND LIPS DRAWN ON -- No name, 21:17:03 08/08/04 Sun

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

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