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Date Posted: 23:40:52 03/06/14 Thu
Author: Comrade GG
Author Host/IP: 108.41.248.213
Subject: I don't agree with you.....
In reply to: Buc2 's message, "You're too nice." on 14:39:47 03/06/14 Thu

>>>>"Russian aggression must not go unanswered, and that
>>>>its continuation would have serious consequences for
>>>>its relations with the United States, as well as the
>>>>broader international community."
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>>>>In referenceeto Russia's illegal invasion of
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>>>>Russia conquered 20 percent of Georgia, and retains
>>>>those conquests today.
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>>>What would you like to see as the U.S. response?
>>
>>Which means there is NO military option extant, as was
>>in te same in the past in Georgia when te admin was
>>W-Cheney-Condy Rice, nor Hungary when Ike made threats
>>he could not keep, nor the Prague Spring of 1968 for
>>then still Czecheslovakia, nor the Solidarity Union
>>uprisings in Poland. In all cases we had to exercise
>>lesser options and history proved to be on our side in
>>the long run. Even in the Cuban standoff, Cuba's
>>missles were dismantled, the Russian ships went home,
>>but in a secret deal, we removed our missles from
>>Turkey. We wanted nyet missles next door, so did the
>>Commies.
>>
>>So that pretty much leaves us with economic, political
>>and diplomatic responses only. With an option to
>>support the pro-Western factions, or should I say the
>>pro-Ukranian factions in their quest to be an
>>independant whole nation.
>>So financial and covert support are also on the table,
>>to the extent that it can be effective. The West's
>>military support in the form of shoulder missles to
>>Afghan rebels may
>>well have been decisive in their war against the
>>Soviets. But the final result was Talliban triumph and
>>then 9-11, 20 years later.
>>
>>So i favor our admin taking whatever resonable steps
>>they can to favor the good guys, with an eye to what
>>is the long run. The iron curtain fell, Eastern
>>Europe threw off Soviet domination, and USA fired not
>>one shot to do this. I don't think Russia can deal
>>well with economic sanctions, they are not a rich
>>nation.
>>
>>It would be nice if the opposition party in USA, the
>>GOP, would join the American side and stop excusing
>>Russian militarism by placing the blame on President
>>Obama. The ability of today's GOP to forget way way
>>back to 2008 (!!) and erase Georgia from collective
>>memory is breath taking. Or posting that im 2008, the
>>then junior senator from Illinois set American
>>policy!!!! Fucking unreal!
>>
>>Can USA play the kind of deft hand such that Russia
>>will yield to the will of everybdy else? I don't know.
>>
>>I do know that we have an anti-Chavez-Maduro revolt in
>>Venezuela right now, and that deserves our attention
>>also.
>>Again, our actual options may be limited, but we need
>>to try to keep history on the same course that
>>collpased the USSR and saw Mao become a hollow
>>figurehead in today's pseudo-communist, profit-mad,
>>fast developing China.
>>
>>The way forward is not war, that is the way backward.
>
>I'd prefer they all go fuck themselves while we (the
>U.S.) use the money saved to pay down our debt.

1) Debt is NOT USA's great problem. Under employment for no good reason is.

2) A commitment to see a better resolution to this situation by rallying with and working with the rest of the world is not an expensive proposition. The Ukranian's and those in Crimea who object to Putin's childish militarism have not surrendered. This situation is NOT over, its just begun. And Russia can't afford a situation with zero economic benefit and lots of drawbacks. Or another Chechnya, only bigger and badder. Ukranians are Russians who speak a different dialect. They got the same culture, the same bad attitude.

3) I'm NOT a nice guy.

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