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Subject: Re: IGT PE+ Multi Game Poker


Author:
Dave
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Date Posted: 07:16:38 10/08/05 Sat
In reply to: slotnewby 's message, "Re: IGT PE+ Multi Game Poker" on 16:24:47 10/07/05 Fri

I thought I'd try something out of the blue and I had and old PE+ board so I took the Program chip out of it and installed into my new board and reset everything and everything workd including the bill acceptor which I found to have the old program that doesn't accept the colored money, but it works with the old bills. I can live with that for now.

The problem I'm got now is that after the game is on for awhile the 3 cards of the right side of the screen stop "holding". This machine did the same thing with my other board. It seems like it's some kind of thermal problem and I can't locate it, anywhere. The only thing I can find that is getting warm is the small transformer located in the corner of the MPU board tray. I don't know if this is normal or not. The only other thing I can think of is maybe the Mother board contacts are not good and maybe some of the pins on the MPU board lose contact when the machine heats up. This machine getting to be a real pain. I seem to fix one thing and something else goes wrong.


>Closure and Restart are two messages to show what has
>happened prior to the current state of the machine so
>someone can walk up to it and see this. In
>otherwords, if you open the door and then shut it, it
>will do its power up self test and then display
>"Closure". If you turn the power off, it will display
>"Restart". If you did not open the doors or turn the
>power off, you may have a problem with the main board
>or power supply causing the CPU to lock up and do a
>reset.
>
>RB
>>My IGT PE+ Multi Game Poker machine was playing OK
>>then it frozed up and I got an error message on the
>>screen "Closure Restart". Have no idea what this
>means.

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Author:
slotnewby
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Date Posted: 09:07:02 10/10/05 Mon

That is probably because the ID requirement is part of the program. Some use 22 others use 23. At this exact time, I can't tell you which use which. I think the older stuff uses 22 and the newer uses 23 but of the three Multigame sets that I know of, I think one requires 22. Again, not exactly sure about any of this. I would have to install and test each one to be sure (don't have the time right now)

The loss of Hold switches working might be one of the hold switches themselves. IGT control panels have the switch grounds wired through the previous switch so you can't send to "requests" back to the CPU at the same time. It might not even be one of the three that is bad but one of the two that work. While the Normally open contact signals the desired hold button, the Normally closed contact in the switch chains over to the next hold/deal switch. I had an intermittant one too which also appeared after the game was on for a while (heat related). While I thought it was wiring or board connections, it turned out to be a bad micro switch. Remember, there are light bulbs lighting up the buttons and producing heat there. It is normal for the transformer and recifiers to run warm/hot on those boards.

RB

>I thought I'd try something out of the blue and I had
>and old PE+ board so I took the Program chip out of it
>and installed into my new board and reset everything
>and everything workd including the bill acceptor which
>I found to have the old program that doesn't accept
>the colored money, but it works with the old bills. I
>can live with that for now.
>
>The problem I'm got now is that after the game is on
>for awhile the 3 cards of the right side of the screen
>stop "holding". This machine did the same thing with
>my other board. It seems like it's some kind of
>thermal problem and I can't locate it, anywhere. The
>only thing I can find that is getting warm is the
>small transformer located in the corner of the MPU
>board tray. I don't know if this is normal or not. The
>only other thing I can think of is maybe the Mother
>board contacts are not good and maybe some of the pins
>on the MPU board lose contact when the machine heats
>up. This machine getting to be a real pain. I seem to
>fix one thing and something else goes wrong.
>
>
>>Closure and Restart are two messages to show what has
>>happened prior to the current state of the machine so
>>someone can walk up to it and see this. In
>>otherwords, if you open the door and then shut it, it
>>will do its power up self test and then display
>>"Closure". If you turn the power off, it will display
>>"Restart". If you did not open the doors or turn the
>>power off, you may have a problem with the main board
>>or power supply causing the CPU to lock up and do a
>>reset.
>>
>>RB
>>>My IGT PE+ Multi Game Poker machine was playing OK
>>>then it frozed up and I got an error message on the
>>>screen "Closure Restart". Have no idea what this
>>means.
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Author:
Dave
[Edit]

Date Posted: 10:05:51 10/10/05 Mon

RB

What to do??? I've been told that the problem with my Hold/Cancel buttons freezing up could also be caused by the small chip on the Motherboard. This chip, I been told, goes bad over time. Do you know anything about this??

I don't know if I should replace the motherboard or not.

Dave

>That is probably because the ID requirement is part of
>the program. Some use 22 others use 23. At this
>exact time, I can't tell you which use which. I think
>the older stuff uses 22 and the newer uses 23 but of
>the three Multigame sets that I know of, I think one
>requires 22. Again, not exactly sure about any of
>this. I would have to install and test each one to be
>sure (don't have the time right now)
>
>The loss of Hold switches working might be one of the
>hold switches themselves. IGT control panels have the
>switch grounds wired through the previous switch so
>you can't send to "requests" back to the CPU at the
>same time. It might not even be one of the three that
>is bad but one of the two that work. While the
>Normally open contact signals the desired hold button,
>the Normally closed contact in the switch chains over
>to the next hold/deal switch. I had an intermittant
>one too which also appeared after the game was on for
>a while (heat related). While I thought it was wiring
>or board connections, it turned out to be a bad micro
>switch. Remember, there are light bulbs lighting up
>the buttons and producing heat there. It is normal
>for the transformer and recifiers to run warm/hot on
>those boards.
>
>RB
>
>>I thought I'd try something out of the blue and I had
>>and old PE+ board so I took the Program chip out of it
>>and installed into my new board and reset everything
>>and everything workd including the bill acceptor which
>>I found to have the old program that doesn't accept
>>the colored money, but it works with the old bills. I
>>can live with that for now.
>>
>>The problem I'm got now is that after the game is on
>>for awhile the 3 cards of the right side of the screen
>>stop "holding". This machine did the same thing with
>>my other board. It seems like it's some kind of
>>thermal problem and I can't locate it, anywhere. The
>>only thing I can find that is getting warm is the
>>small transformer located in the corner of the MPU
>>board tray. I don't know if this is normal or not. The
>>only other thing I can think of is maybe the Mother
>>board contacts are not good and maybe some of the pins
>>on the MPU board lose contact when the machine heats
>>up. This machine getting to be a real pain. I seem to
>>fix one thing and something else goes wrong.
>>
>>
>>>Closure and Restart are two messages to show what has
>>>happened prior to the current state of the machine so
>>>someone can walk up to it and see this. In
>>>otherwords, if you open the door and then shut it, it
>>>will do its power up self test and then display
>>>"Closure". If you turn the power off, it will
>display
>>>"Restart". If you did not open the doors or turn the
>>>power off, you may have a problem with the main board
>>>or power supply causing the CPU to lock up and do a
>>>reset.
>>>
>>>RB
>>>>My IGT PE+ Multi Game Poker machine was playing OK
>>>>then it frozed up and I got an error message on the
>>>>screen "Closure Restart". Have no idea what this
>>>means.
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Author:
slotnewby
[Edit]

Date Posted: 13:29:37 10/10/05 Mon

Well, the chip in question is the EEPROM (24C04) which contains game type and settings as well as some bookkeeping data. I have not known this to cause the problem but then, I don't work in the Casino industry and have not been exposed to all the different possible failures of PE+'s. Anythings possible and if someone that knows more about it says its a possible problem, then, I guess I just learned something new. And yes, they do go bad but the game should tell you there is an EEPROM error upon power up. They are only good for so many write cycles (in the millions) but only IGT knows how often the game will write data into it.

If you can desolder IC's, or know someone that can do board work for you, you can replace the chip yourself (and not buy a new motherboard) www.Jameco.com sells them for $0.89 each PN:108847P If you do choose to replace it, order an 8 pin socket too so it will be easy to change in the future. Also, if you're like me and have different game boards to change out, you can pull the chip and keep it with each board and you won't have to do CMOS or Game Type stuff each time. If you keep the board and EEPROM matched, its a quick change over. You will even keep all your credits you had before from when you pulled the board and chip out last time.

RB

>RB
>
>What to do??? I've been told that the problem with my
>Hold/Cancel buttons freezing up could also be caused
>by the small chip on the Motherboard. This chip, I
>been told, goes bad over time. Do you know anything
>about this??
>
>I don't know if I should replace the motherboard or
>not.
>
>Dave
>
>>That is probably because the ID requirement is part of
>>the program. Some use 22 others use 23. At this
>>exact time, I can't tell you which use which. I think
>>the older stuff uses 22 and the newer uses 23 but of
>>the three Multigame sets that I know of, I think one
>>requires 22. Again, not exactly sure about any of
>>this. I would have to install and test each one to be
>>sure (don't have the time right now)
>>
>>The loss of Hold switches working might be one of the
>>hold switches themselves. IGT control panels have the
>>switch grounds wired through the previous switch so
>>you can't send to "requests" back to the CPU at the
>>same time. It might not even be one of the three that
>>is bad but one of the two that work. While the
>>Normally open contact signals the desired hold button,
>>the Normally closed contact in the switch chains over
>>to the next hold/deal switch. I had an intermittant
>>one too which also appeared after the game was on for
>>a while (heat related). While I thought it was wiring
>>or board connections, it turned out to be a bad micro
>>switch. Remember, there are light bulbs lighting up
>>the buttons and producing heat there. It is normal
>>for the transformer and recifiers to run warm/hot on
>>those boards.
>>
>>RB
>>
>>>I thought I'd try something out of the blue and I had
>>>and old PE+ board so I took the Program chip out of
>it
>>>and installed into my new board and reset everything
>>>and everything workd including the bill acceptor
>which
>>>I found to have the old program that doesn't accept
>>>the colored money, but it works with the old bills. I
>>>can live with that for now.
>>>
>>>The problem I'm got now is that after the game is on
>>>for awhile the 3 cards of the right side of the
>screen
>>>stop "holding". This machine did the same thing with
>>>my other board. It seems like it's some kind of
>>>thermal problem and I can't locate it, anywhere. The
>>>only thing I can find that is getting warm is the
>>>small transformer located in the corner of the MPU
>>>board tray. I don't know if this is normal or not.
>The
>>>only other thing I can think of is maybe the Mother
>>>board contacts are not good and maybe some of the
>pins
>>>on the MPU board lose contact when the machine heats
>>>up. This machine getting to be a real pain. I seem
>to
>>>fix one thing and something else goes wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Closure and Restart are two messages to show what
>has
>>>>happened prior to the current state of the machine
>so
>>>>someone can walk up to it and see this. In
>>>>otherwords, if you open the door and then shut it,
>it
>>>>will do its power up self test and then display
>>>>"Closure". If you turn the power off, it will
>>display
>>>>"Restart". If you did not open the doors or turn
>the
>>>>power off, you may have a problem with the main
>board
>>>>or power supply causing the CPU to lock up and do a
>>>>reset.
>>>>
>>>>RB
>>>>>My IGT PE+ Multi Game Poker machine was playing OK
>>>>>then it frozed up and I got an error message on the
>>>>>screen "Closure Restart". Have no idea what this
>>>>means.


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