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Date Posted: 21:34:44 07/24/08 Thu
Author: Cece
Subject: I am so against cheating, that it is one of my absolutes, or near enough. Can you hear a "however"? Yes...there is a however (inside.)
In reply to: doc 's message, "Actually, they weren't seeing each other. Harm said in "Skeleton Crew" that he & Diane were just friend. He said they always played by the rules, and they were going to get together that weekend to decide about pursuing something more. Obviously, the "something more" never happened. It wasn't until later seasons that Harm spoke of a deep caring & ultimately loving Diane. It was as if her loss, made him believe there was something more. (inside)" on 18:13:41 07/24/08 Thu

Good men and women are not defined by perfection. They are defined by how much they try to live their lives being honest, trustworthy, kind, generous, helpful, brave, loving, caring, understanding, and avoiding deliberately hurting others. They are defined in they way they treat others, particularly those who are the most vulnerable.

Good men and women make mistakes, and have regrets. They own their wrongdoings, and try to make ammends.

Good men and women don't make a habit of doing wrong deeds. Those deeds are the exception, not the rule.

I am an atheist but I will point to Christ's teachings. First, he was tempted and had to fight temptation. Second, he told the people who wanted to stone the prostitute, "Let ye who have not sinned, cast the first stone."

Harm Senior first set out to comfort Jenny Lake. In that moment of fear and lonliness, they turned to each other. Did they have sex? We don't know. We know they kissed. Perhaps Harm Sr. lived his life in regret, or perhaps he knew he would go no further. We don't know.

As for fathering a child with another woman, I hated that story at first. But HarmyBoard Ann, gave a very understanding and convincing argument about the conditions of the gulags during the cold war. We don't know what Harm Sr's state of mind or body was. All we know is that he suffered and could not have been happy never to be able to return home.

Perhaps he realised that Trish and Harm would have new lives. Either way, he could not have done anything about it as there was no way of getting out of that terrifying life.

Was Harm Sr. a good man? There is nothing else, other than a kiss at a weak moment, and his turning for comfort to another woman, when he was weak and close to death, to suggest that he did not live a good life. He did not make a habit of kissing other women, and he would have most likely stayed with Trish for a lifetime had he had the opportunity.

I hope that I am never in a position where I am a political prisoner-- tortured, denied any human rights, kept away from those I love, and worked to death. I hope my goodness and humanity will never be tested in that way. I am not certain that I'd pass the stoning test.

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[> [> [> [> Well stated, Cece. -- Lee, 22:06:08 07/24/08 Thu


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[> [> [> [> Again, I'm saying nothing about Sergei or his mother, that's a different situation than finding "comfort" in the arms of another woman. It's wrong, it's a bad thing to do, and it's not something that I forgive. Do I have to? No, I don't. I can't look at any cheater and say that they are a good person. Do I think he should be stoned in the town square? No. I'm not casting stones, and I'm not saying I'm perfect. I'm saying he made choices on purpose that don't make him a good person. And isn't it judge not lest you be judged? Fine judge me, I've never cheated. -- Theresa - Assuming Harm Sr. slept with Jenny Lake., 22:34:50 07/24/08 Thu


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