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Date Posted: 10:51:04 01/30/12 Mon
Author: Cathy F.
Subject: IF YOU HAD BEEN GIVEN A CHOICE - WOULD YOU HAVE RATHER HAD JAG END AT SEASON 8 WITH HARM AND MAC GETTING MARRIED OR STILL SUFFERED THROUGH SEASONS 9 & TEN? And Why?


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[> Personally I would have preferred to stop at season 8. Has much has I loved looking and Harm. The show, both characters and writing went downhill after season 8. Once DPB decidec on NCIS, JAG definetly suffered. I also thing DJE was tired of the role and was just in it for the money. -- Cathy F., 10:54:03 01/30/12 Mon


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[> should be As much and as much. Proof read Cathy! LOL -- Cathy F., 10:55:54 01/30/12 Mon


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[> I would definitely prefer that JAG stop at Season 8. I'm sure HAE was tired (partly because of little Wyatt!!) and the Don practically wrote him out of the script - the stories were terrible. -- PeggyC, 13:03:33 01/30/12 Mon


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[> I'm torn on the fence about this one. I would've missed two more years of Harm (a little is better than nothing). However, with a couple of exception such as the episode "Coming Home" most of the last two seasons were terrible. (Inside) -- fananicfan, 13:31:04 01/30/12 Mon

I've often wondered if they (TPTB) couldn't have come up with a comprise. It seems to be done pretty rountinely these days (SVU actress is the most recent to do it) - but a contractual reduction in either number of episodes he'd be in per season or number of days work per week giving DJE time with Wyatt and to train for the Iron Man and his other pursuits, while still maintaing the presence of Harm in the series. Of course, then the question would become, how much Harm would be enough?
Would we/I have been happy if, say, they had Harm and Mac get together and we just saw Harm in his new job as a CIA flyer, for example, or to stay in the NAVY, being a JAG at a new duty station, like Norfolk.
Then, again Harm was JAG, I think, so that may have worked if Mac/CB had gone that route, but maybe not with Harm....I guess I can't decide, but wanted everyone to know I'm around and checking on the board. LOL

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[> Being that I onlystarted watcing from 'Boomerang' and STILL haven't really seen many episodes before that, I really loved all the excitement of still NEW episodes, BUT, after S8, I remember literally cringing at the TV!To me, Harm not only WAS JAG, but at his best and portrayed as a complex, complicated, but essentially noble and heroic character was all I wanted to see -- and yes -- I wanted him forever to 'get the girl' HE wanted and who was 'it' for him -- Mac! So, I would've wanted more episodes until s10 and then some, but much better written! -- mj, 13:45:45 01/30/12 Mon


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[> They would have still had to give us someone different that Pukovic for me to watch. inside -- Rachel, 14:36:06 01/30/12 Mon

harm away could have worked if they had someone remotely at least likeable instead of Vukovic. The minute Vukovic was there, he started to hit on Mac, Marine Mac should have stopped that in its tracks immediately! Mac/Sturgis could have been court room adversaries. We still would have had Bud/Harriet and hopefully the normal AJ too. They could have done this for 1 - 1 1/2 season, realized Harm/Mac wanted to be together and courted long distance and then had the ending we should have seen.

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[> Supposing that the show was still exactly as we've seen it until end of season 8 - then no, it should not have stopped there. There was a *lot* of development, of growing up, esp. for Harm to be done, that he went through in season 9, early season 10, and I'm very glad I got to see that. He needed that, needed to become that man for himself, and for Mac. The man who told her, unevoqually, that he would always be there. (inside) -- Colie, 15:41:56 01/30/12 Mon

Who would take care of her, call the doctor for her. The man who didn't make rash decisions or pout about it (i.e. Singer debacle - because really, what stopped him from talking to Mac about it, getting her help? Nothing). The aftermath of Paraguay helped him grow up, Mattie helped him grow up, Mac's illness and struggles with PTSD helped him grow up...
Yes there was a lot of stuff written that was cringe-worthy in the last two seasons, but Harm had not grown up enough by the end of season 8, and on a personality level, I really like the man he became then. I'm glad I got to see it.

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[> [> I agree with you, Colie. Season 9 wasn't so bad even with the Mac/Webb fling. Both Harm and Mac had a lot of growing up to do in my opinion, as well as Mac dealing with her PTSD. It was the last half of Season 10 that I could barely stand to watch. When Vucovick entered the picture, I wanted to bust him in the chops myself. His role was completely unnecessary and cringe worthy. -- Lee, 20:18:03 01/30/12 Mon


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[> I didn't mind season 9 & 10 accept the Mac Webb thing until they introduce Lt. V. at the expense of Harm. I think there was a growing up they both did through the 6th Juror, then it all went Kaflooy. -- Sharon, 16:07:41 01/30/12 Mon


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[> I think it should've finished at season 8 -- Michelle UK, 17:12:09 01/30/12 Mon


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[> Agree with above comments. If only TPTB would have paid attention to the writing! Last two seasons were mediocre at best, and then to give the faithful fans 7.5 mins of the proposal, etc.! What a way to end a beautiful, wonderful show. Maybe TPTB could salvage their reputations with a follow-up reunion? -- carramor, 17:20:08 01/30/12 Mon


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[> Season eight with H&M getting together -- Spud, 17:40:56 01/30/12 Mon


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[> I agree better to end with Season 8 and on a high note. The last two seasons were sometimes difficult to watch. -- Shazam, 23:16:04 01/30/12 Mon


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[> Should have ended at season 8 with big wedding.....everybody happy...with the admiral giving mac away... Season 9 and 10 were just awful... -- audrey, 23:38:07 01/30/12 Mon


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[> [> Two seasons filled with downer stuff and so much yuck... The Mac/Webb fiasco.. Lt. Pukavich and his swarmy, slimey actions, the disrespectful way he acted toward mac...ugh...; Harm, a single guy in his 40's being the guardian for a teenage girl....ugh, gave me the willies, so inappropriate.., And the don't forget the way the admiral was treated...first by making his gf cheat on him and then just dumping him...terrible goodbye to such an important character -- audrey, 23:56:26 01/30/12 Mon


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[> [> [> Ohhh yeah and I forgot...Mac, guess what?? you can't have kids....awful... !!! -- audrey..., 23:59:33 01/30/12 Mon


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[> I would have liked to have seen the show end at season 8 - after the end of the season opener their relationship was in the perfect place to grow together - the second half of the season should have been them getting together and then have spared us the misery of seaon 9 and 10 since those last two seasons were spent destroying everything that had been building for the previous 7 seasons -- chris k, 00:47:31 01/31/12 Tue


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[> [> I probably should explain - I firmly believe after the writer scott gemmel left (writer of yeah baby) no one quite knew what to do with 'the ship' - the middle seasons were spent with the traditional tease you plots of boy almost gets girl boy loses girl back and forth (think australia- then rene's dad dying) season 9 was specifically designed to destroy the ship- and everything the previous seasons had worked for - therre was no comradery, no loyalty, no one for all all for one feeling. Season ten was designed to belittle and elimiinate Harm - to make us think JAG was fine without him - Mac and Harm had grown just fine by the end of season 7 - they were ready - it was time. -- chris k, 00:52:48 01/31/12 Tue


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[> There wee some really good stories in Seasons 9/10--I've been "reviewing" those seasons recently (inside). -- highplainswoman, 04:50:00 01/31/12 Tue

I haven't decided which are my "favorite" episodes from Seasons 9/10--but there was a serious attempt to deal with serious public policy issues. For a while, "Corporate Raiders" ranked right up there--primary issue raised: "When is it 'good' for a private company to profit from government functions--like war, and more recently, privatized prisons (current issue in the FL legislature. Connecting the dots, how much of the 'anti-immigration' legislation in AZ was ginned up because of the lobbying done by private prisons in AZ?). And of course, the futility and waste of war in general was highlighted in shots of our wounded warriors in hospital beds, not to mention other "waste" of resources, etc.)

I suppose the argument could be made that public policy issues shouldn't make their way into a fictional setting--but how else to get a lethargic and apathetic general populace interested in such issues? Or, in other words, how else to make a show about the military more relevant for the average viewer?? (And please, I'm not intended to insult the Harmy Boarders, but we constitute a small minority of the American population--and I believe the writers/producers were trying to make a point to the larger audience.

On Harm and Mac, DJE looked terribly tired and weary during Season 10 especially. That's pretty grueling work he did during all ten years and it's no wonder he was tired--not to mention the outside life with Nancy Chambers and children. But specifically relating to Harm and Mac, it takes a lot of time and energy for people to keep up the fighting/bickering they did during the last two seasons and nobody, but nobody can keep that up forever. If I were to change just one thing about the last two seasons, I would insert in some fashion a more explicit explaination of how Harm and Mac went from "never" in Paraguay to "Let's get married" two years later. THAT'S where I personally feel cheated, although the lack of "official" explanation did produce some very good fan fiction addressing that issue.

So much for my 2 cents' worth!!

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[> I am just light-shipper. I do not mind lack of happy marriage life, wedding and they lived happily ever after :-). Personal relationships spiced the episodes, but basis were in profession - law, cases, action. There were bright moments in season 9, less in 10. Both seasons were darker, but it comes with maturing. Even without happy marriage it had a lot of unexploited potential. -- Sova, 05:26:59 01/31/12 Tue


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[> Season 9-10 -- Jeannie, 14:43:39 01/31/12 Tue

I really think that Jag could have had some very good law stories and could also have addressed the relationship between Harm and Mac. They could have started to build a permanent relationship slowly and ended 10 with the wedding and also bringing all of the characters together in the end.
I had eye surgery done and will now not only be able to read all the posts, but be able to participate in them.

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[> End at season 8. The show stopped being fun and likeable. When you go back to the early stuff, you realize just how good it was. -- jbk, 16:07:50 01/31/12 Tue


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[> Well, I can count seven episodes from Seasons 9-10 that I liked so I guess I would have to say that JAG should have ended with a wedding as the finale to the series. I also agree with Chris k. that when Gimmel left, thingswent downhill. Coupled with the attempt to add in Vukavik and Cresswell, it just wasn't the same. We lost some great characters, like Gunny, who added to the show. -- jenks-waving to Cathy F.--February's coming, Cath!!, 16:40:59 01/31/12 Tue


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[> Season 8 if everything stays the same. If slight changes were made i.e. no Mac/Webb the relationship didn't fit either character. They could have Harm and Mac grow up whilst dealing with Mac's PTSD and made that into a slightly longer story arc. Mattie didn't seem to fit with Harm's lifestyle and Jen moving in with her seemed to jump the shark a bit. Season 9 and 10 with slight tweaks. -- Lurks, 19:25:01 01/31/12 Tue


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[> [> This sums up exactly how I feel. There were some good parts to the last two seasons, but as Lurks has pointed out, some story lines we were shown just didn't fit the characters. Improved 9 and 10, yes....Otherwise, season 8. -- Deemus, 09:22:55 02/01/12 Wed


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[> my gripes with season 9 and 10 had more to do with just the damaged ship- inside - I ramble -- chris k, 00:24:54 02/02/12 Thu


while I agree so much was just weird - Mac and Webb, harm as mattie's guardian but she lives with Jen- really? Lol -

but While I didn't like the destruction of the ship- I didn't like the destruction of the things we fell in love with the show for -

Bud became serious- except for Dream Team where he returned to his humorous self - the comic relief was gone (and I'm a firm believer the bumbling clueless young man usually remains a bumbling clueless old man) -

Turner went from long time friend and academy buddy who helped with cars and played basketball to a jealous enemy.

AJ went from a man who would break international laws with friends to save his daugher, or travel to italy to save a friend, or to russia to save his underlings to a calous idiot.

The shows went from ending with unity (singing in macmurphys, walking arm in arm Embassy- to someone standing alone in sadness.

the loyalty was gone, the fraternity was gone, the humor was gone, the sense of right over rules was gone (bud and mac aidig and abetting harm the fugitive because he wasn't guilty) -

the show I loved for 7 and half seasons was gone by seaon 9 and really gone in 10 I didn't even get harm or mac in most of the episodes- I got a ditzy blonde and a snarky hood in uniform.

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[> [> Well said. Agreed. -- Sunset, 21:34:47 02/02/12 Thu


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[> I would have said end at the end of S 7 with love and marriage, not 8! -- jan, 21:13:35 02/02/12 Thu


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