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Date Posted: 17:40:59 07/13/14 Sun
Author: Cece
Subject: What JAG meant to me: ( with corrections and additions.) (Inside)
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Cece
's message, "Starting a few days ago, there has been an ongoing discussion on the Entertainment Board, primariily about Bones." on 17:28:06 07/13/14 Sun
It's sometimes hard to understand why some shows get to us in that special way. JAG meant so much to me for all its faults and the disgusting behaviour of TPTB.
It wastn't just because Harm was played by such a gorgeous actor. I was a huge fan of Knott's Landing and watched ever ep, but I can't remember DJE for the life of me.
A lot had to do with Harm as the quintessential hero, and how damn good he looked in every type of naval uniform. And how good he looked in a tomcat, or in court.
But good looks alone don't do it for me, and there certainly have been better written romances. For example, I was CRAZY about Moonlighting and watched the scene when David and Maddie finally got together, 40 plus times in a row. I was obsessed, and terribly upset that the show was completely ruined by the time it got cancelled. I loved it way more than I loved JAG.
So, why did I spend the better part of 10 years on JAG? It was a combination of things, an aligning of the stars so to speak. At the beginning I watched it off and on with my husband and might have dropped it after S7. But a funny thing happened on the way to Lifeline in S6. I found Maeve's, and some of the funniest women I've ever met. And a few months later, 9/11 happened and our communities were set. And then we opened the HarmyBoard, (Nov. 17th 2001), and the rest is history.
JAG became much more than a tv show with a hot star. It became STEMMING, and GLOODLE Aawards and Survivor, and IMing, and various Tarts, and cartoons, and collages, and videos, and fanfic, and fights, and fanfests, and friendships, and babies born and even friends dying. It became deep and long winded discussions, and petty jealousies, and spoilers, and nasty people from other boards who didn't like us. It was love and hate, and anger and kindness, and most of all,it was lots of laughter. It became fun. It became so much to so many, and to this day, the HB is still here with old and new alike. All still welcome; all still special in their own way.
I know there are and will be far better shows, better romances, better story arcs, better characters, better heroes and heroines, and maybe even better looking actors. But for me, there will never be another JAG. It became my community, my own love affair, my social life, and my online family. It became real people who cared, and as they used to sing in Cheers, it became a place "where everybody knows your name." It became an exciting voyage to who knows were, but I'll never forget the wonderful people I have met along the way.
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You know I agree and something else Ive been thinking about. Why is Harm still the only hero on TV that i can care about? -- mkim, 21:57:36 07/13/14 Sun
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ACCK!!! Sorry Cece, I forgt how to go inside. -- mkim who has been away too long!!, 22:25:16 07/13/14 Sun
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You don't have to go inside. I only went inside because of the length of the post. -- Cece, waiving to mkim. Great to see you!, 23:16:31 07/13/14 Sun
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As an outsider looking in.. what you've conveyed, seems to be at the heart of the phenomena known as JAG (inside) -- Alicia, 23:16:59 07/14/14 Mon
It's funny. After discovering this show so many years after it was on and getting hooked, it was a bit of a mystery to me at the time the why. I came to figure that out, I think lol.
When I got to the latter part of S8, and rode off the cliff with it, I was curious as to why. Something had to have happened. So I went traveling through the net, as google is my friend.
It was through that reading, that I was able to see the other part of it. The fandom that was and on so many levels still is, and everything that went with it, everything that made it a phenomena. That is as much of the JAG story as any thing else.
I have to say looking at posts on this this board where I could.. oh my goodness.. some so dang funny. The humor priceless. Of course now I know the word shipper has nothing to do with the show being about the Navy :-).
And having a character like Harm, and an actor who seemed born to play the part helps too.
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LOL, when I first discovered the Harmyboard I thought a shipper was a new nautical term too. But seriously, the Harm and Mac thing for me, from season 2 to 7 especially, were those long intense looks between the two of them...they read each others faces and many times, IMHO, there were lots and lots of sparks. I'd just never seen anything that powerful before. Moonlightings' Dave and Maddie were a close second, but that was only because the writers strike screwed up the last season of the show so badly. -- mkim I have alot of history with the Navy and the show began the same year my DH retired, so it was HOME, 14:08:10 07/15/14 Tue
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Correction Alicia. You are not an "outsider looking in." You've been a contributtor to this board for a few months now, and that makes you a bona fide HarmyBroad. So there! -- Cece, 15:10:14 07/15/14 Tue
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I agree Cece. This is a very welcoming board, and Alicia, I think you really are a great contribuator here. You never know who is reading your posts, who is really enjoying what you have to say. Keep on posting. AND welcome. I'm not one of the first Harmy broads, but it didnt take long to make this board my home. -- mkim, 21:06:24 07/15/14 Tue
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Thank you! It's been alot of fun! -- Alicia, 20:24:30 07/20/14 Sun
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Aww thanks! HarmyBroad.. I love it!! I am honored. -- Alicia, 20:23:45 07/20/14 Sun
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The friends I made kept me here, but the character of Harm made me fall in love with the show. Mac too. I just rewatched the first episode of season 2 with the voice over from Catherine Bell, and I really loved what she had to say and it also helped answer the question on tone of the Sail Back questions below, about the sunglasses. ;) -- mkim To me both Harm and Mac were people you wanted to know, and emulate. For me there arent many like that., 13:55:38 07/15/14 Tue
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that would be ONE of the Sail Back questions...not tone. -- mkim, 13:57:25 07/15/14 Tue
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ACK! It was an Enjoying Harm all over again post from usmgrad.....but those were the aviator style...In the shows pilot they were were everywhere and I really thought it was a Top Gun thing, except IMHO, Harm could beat Tom Cruise any day. -- mkim, 14:16:04 07/15/14 Tue
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Amen Sista ! LOL -- chris k, 07:33:06 07/16/14 Wed
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Cece, my own experience resonants with yours. I first tuned in sometime in the second season, only because my daughter's roommate's father had written the theme song - lol. Got drawn in and enjoyed the show, but once I found Maeve's site a whole new world opened up to me. The laughter, the silliness, the endless speculation re character & plot, then getting to know individual voices on the board was a unique adventure for me. When I went JAG Fanfest, I met marvelous women. Over the years many of them have become treasured friends. All these years later, coming here still feels like dropping in and visiting friends. -- Sunny, 06:04:15 07/16/14 Wed
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We didn't think it was possible to start a new blue board, Sunny. It was slow going at first, but when we reached 6 months, we knew we were here to stay. Judi was determined. She set the standard for the board, and now look at us. Still here. And so many wonderful friendships and relationships came out of this. THANK you judi!!!!! -- Cece, 21:43:20 07/19/14 Sat
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Why I love JAG -- TH, 22:28:16 07/16/14 Wed
I fell in love with the character of Harmon Rabb, Jr.I know he was not perfect, but that was part of his charm. I largely felt the same way about AJ's character. They were idealized, I suppose, manly men who could quote Jane Austen or who appreciated fine food. For those reasons, I appreciate TPTB, specifically DPB. He drew his characters well; the fact that many of his characters from various series remain interesting bears this out. It's too bad that the original writers all didn't stay to see the series through and to maintain the best years of writing, but I still enjoy most episodes, although some of the later seasons episodes bother me - mostly because they don't seem to be true to JAG. Obviously, the Harmy Board made sharing the love much more interesting, and the women here have entertained me for years!
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Hey TH!! I remember your first post back in 2003. It caused quite a stir, but it made it to the HB favourites.. -- Cece, 11:48:10 07/17/14 Thu
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I feel the same way, TH -- mkim, 21:48:24 07/17/14 Thu
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Wow, coming here is like coming home! So many wonderful memories and I think it was this community that made JAG such an integral part of my life. It was the tie that bound us. -- Carrotts, 19:55:21 07/18/14 Fri
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OMG, the HB's resident Bama rocket scientist/pointy orange veggie!! -- Cece, 21:08:53 07/18/14 Fri
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Well, I go away for a week or so and come back to not one, but TWO big ol' posts based on my little query about "Bones"! LOL (I'm almost thru Season 8 now, which is the last one on NetFlix and then I will be at a loss until they add more, but I digress....) INSIDE I suppose.... -- The Chief (Harm First, Harm Always), 00:06:59 07/19/14 Sat
The online community for JAG thru the message boards was really what made the show "interactive" for me as we discussed everything from Mac's latest hairstyle to the minutae of the UCMJ (can you say "Posse Comitatus"?). The jokes and stories and laughter and even the drama among the posters was absorbing. I never went to a fan fest, and only met up with a few people I had only met online. But the online interactions were so much fun, and I had never watched a tv show with a more observant eye, looking for all the details in order to fully participate in the discussions on the board later.
I never got into Moonlighting, and didn't watch a lot of tv and still don't. My attraction to JAG was Harm. I loved all the characters and the stories (thru S6-ish), but I Loved Harm the best. I gave up on the 'ship at the beginning of S5 when he returned from the Patrick Henry and Mac acted like she couldn't have cared a bit about him. I still followed the gyrations of the shipper journey, but from a non-shipper perspective. It was certainly a lot less stressful. ;-)
For me, everything about JAG went back to Harm - and still does. He is the kind of idealized hero women dream about but few ever catch. And the fact that he didn't get together with Mac until the last 7 minutes left him wide open for the rest of us for 10 years! ;-)
I was thrilled to work with Judi (and later Cece) to develop and kick off the HB back in The Day. We definitely filled a niche!! And it was that niche that made our group special out of all the other fan groups. We had the most fun and didn't take ourselves too seriously, even tho we took our subject matter VERY seriously. Our jokes were the best and our arguments were reasoned and thoughtful. And we are still around, still having fun and still gaining new members!
All because of HARM. Judi's vision for the HB was the right one. Harm will endure as one of the greatest tv heroes of all time, and the HB will go down in fandom history as one of the best from the early days of online fandoms! (Speculation is what we do around here, right?)
Anyway, glad I could get y'all talking and some of our long lost members to pop back in. :-)
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Hi Chief, you've been around the longest I think. When I first knew you, A-R was one year old. My goodness, she must be 14 now, (though still too young for the HB...!) I think you and judi were the most famous non-shippers, and two of the first HarmyBroards. -- Cece, 01:10:32 07/19/14 Sat
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My daughter will be 14 in September - I knew you before she was born because she still has a Beanie Baby you sent her. :-) Yes, I believe Judi and I were the first ones to break free of Maeve's so we could drool over Harm, and then you came along and offered to host a web page for photos and other things (like fanfic) and pretty soon it was Up! It was Good! ;-) -- The Chief, 19:28:24 07/20/14 Sun
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Chief (inside) -- Cece, 14:41:56 07/21/14 Mon
You are talking to a date nut here. I found Maeve's March 2001, but didn't start posting right away. I believe that you, judi, and Cher started emailing each other around the time of Mutiny, and along with Brigitte, started the BAs with the Yahoo group opening in June 6, 2001, more than a month before I became a member, and in cyber time, a month is an eternity. I joined the BAs July 17, 2001. (I was number 17 to join.) That's when you and I started chatting. I sent Amelia-Rose a little polar bear, (I believe)some months later, and I sent Crossy's Camryn a bear too at the same time. I remember you giving Crossy advice on how to handle Camryn's first birthday party (very late Dec. 2001). You told her to give her a cake, and let her make a mess....lol.
I didn't start the HB. The original idea was Brigitte's when she visited judi Nov/2001. Judi opened it on Nov. 17, 2001 did with the help of all the BAs, and a number of long time posters followed us. I had no idea how to host a pic, or do a collage, or open boards. I figured all that out later on. Judi and Cher were the first moderators of the HB. I became a banana much later on with Crossy, you, and Dancer following in hot pursuit.
I have a weird exacting memory for when things happened re: BAs etc. If you want a more detailed trip down memory lane, email me and we'll have a good old chinwag.
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Well, that clears that up! (inside) -- The Chief, 23:37:01 07/22/14 Tue
Quite impressive with the dates and such!
Judi and I and Cher and a couple others started the BAs (Blue Angles, for those who don't know) as a Yahoo group first (if I recall correctly) and the idea for a separate board for Harm-lovers and those who wanted to go far beyond Maeve's PG rating was first germinated there. I suppose maybe I confused the BAs with the HB, but their formation tracks neck-and-neck!.
Many discussions and many nights on the old Yahoo Instant Messenger, and much hilarity and pathos was generated!
Cece, you and Judi became such close friends, that it was natural for you to be 2nd Banana, which made me 3rd and Dancer 4th. It's an honor I don't take for granted, ever!
As for Crossy, I think she's got that mom thing down pat now. Rarely ever a photo on FB that she doesn't have a drink in her hand, so that's gotta be the secret to her success! LOL ;-)
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I remember that story- up and good- always wished i could have been there -- chris k, 00:03:01 07/22/14 Tue
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Me too. But I would not have understood the football metaphor at that time. -- Cece, 21:23:09 07/22/14 Tue
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It's been so long since I've been here, but I remember so fondly all the time I spent here and the friends I still have as a result both online and in person. This place, and yes it is a place, taught me so much! And I will forever be grateful, it changed every part of my life! Thank you Cece, and thank you to Judi! And to everyone else! -- Theresa, 13:46:34 07/19/14 Sat
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Hey Theresa, it's 10 yrs in October since we met in Vancouver (not BC), Washington (not DC)! Unbelievable. -- Cece, 21:15:16 07/19/14 Sat
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Yes, ten years. Anna is 13 in September. It's crazy! We really need to meet up again when I come in for Christmas. -- Theresa, 22:52:35 07/23/14 Wed
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Theresa (inside.) -- Cece, 14:55:20 07/24/14 Thu
I'll never forget 5 year old Cynthia saying, "That's my baby sister! Isn't she CUTE!!" She said this with a big smile, as if she was 15. She had no idea how cute she looked and sounded making that big pronouncement.
Yes, we should get together. Too bad Steve doesn't have to go on another Wirttgen course!
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