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Date Posted: 14:06:35 03/22/08 Sat
Author: mj
Subject: I don't know about the comparisons of combat experience or training between Harm and Mac, but wasn't one of the points of the JAMA article re: ability to experience and/or rebound from PTSD dependent on whether there was a history of abuse during childhood which Mac had and Harm did not. Wasn't that one of the main reasons that Mac was more affected than Harm if we are making the assumptions posited in this article?
In reply to: Ann 's message, "Retrying post on Mac, Harm, and PTSD" on 21:36:48 03/21/08 Fri


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[> [> The reason Mac was more affected than Harm was because Mac went through hell down there in Paraguay. Harm didn't go through anything that would give him PTSD. I never even considered that Harm would have any issues with PTSD because of Paraguay because he didn't go through anything. He went there to help get Mac and Webb out and only through Gunny's help was he able to find them. Mac and Webb went through horrible things while captured. -- Amy, 21:13:27 03/22/08 Sat


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[> [> [> Well the plane crash sucked, but for Harm he'd been through worse. Other than that, he didn't have anything happen to him that would cause PTSD. Mac was put through the wringer. -- Theresa, 22:32:37 03/22/08 Sat


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[> [> [> [> Inside... -- Ann, 23:23:28 03/22/08 Sat

Actually, Harm went through lots of things that can cause ATSD and PTSD in Paraguay. Not as many as Mac, perhaps, but enough. He too watched Sadik kill the missionaries; he watched as Mac was led into the room to be tortured; he had to kill a man with his bare hands, and he had the plane crash. That said, people who get PTSD tend to get it after experiencing a traumatic event and not getting the right debriefing shortly thereafter. The other thing about PTSD is that it often follows not the first trauma, but the "straw that broke the camel's back" trauma. And Harm certainly experienced lots of things that can cause PTSD in people over the years. (his youthful trip to Vietnam, China, ramp strike, crash in Adrift, held hostage by Palmer in his apartment, etc.) Being a witness to traumatic events can cause it too.

The point of my post - and the JAMA article - is that some people are more likely to experience it than others, and Mac fits the profile of people more likely to experience it. We have no idea exactly what she experienced prior to going to JAG; presumably mostly admin jobs given that it was never brought up in the show as backstory other than a brief mention of being in Bosnia for a year. 3 of her years in the Marines were spent in law school, for instance.

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[> [> [> [> [> Harm didn't see the missionaries get killed his view was blocked, he only saw Mac standing there. Mac was led to a room, but Harm didn't know what was going to happen to her in there and he got there before anything happened. Harm killed a man, but he killed a few people over the years of Jag and it never afftected him. And he's had many many issues with plane problems and crashes and he always gets up dusts himself on and gets right back in the cockpit. Interesting info indeed, as it would pertain to Mac in Paraguay, but nothing to do with Harm in Paraguay. -- Amy, 00:38:37 03/23/08 Sun


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[> [> [> [> [> Yes, Ann, I agree with you and my point is that we DO KNOW that Mac experienced abuse during childhood and Harm DID NOT and that was brought out in the research presented in the JAMA article as being a pre-existing factor in determining whether PTSD occurs and the severity of the PTSD REGARDLESS of the severity or the extent of the stress-causing events experienced in adulthoood. That's all I was trying to say. -- mj, 10:14:37 03/23/08 Sun


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Exactly, mj. -- Ann, 12:55:54 03/23/08 Sun


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[> [> [> [> Exactly Theresa. -- Amy, 00:40:34 03/23/08 Sun


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