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Subject: Re: Rachelle Ann Go- Shows/Songs


Author:
ZachSiler
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Date Posted: 00:41:49 08/06/04 Fri
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In reply to: MIB- Winner on Reg's SFAN 's message, "Rachelle Ann Go- Shows/Songs" on 09:53:43 08/02/04 Mon

Opinion from a spectator:

This word war will never end if you dont stop comparing singers....and please leave Through The Rain behind.... it's so 2 years ago.

Through the Rain is one of Mariah's most difficult songs....
The song itself is not as high as the previous songs Mariah did. In fact, the climax of the song is a repetitious loop of the the same series of notes althroughout with slight deviations when she pulls the word "I" and "through" on the last chorus. Otherwise, its a fairly average song.

What made the song difficult is the way it was composed. And what style of singing Mariah had in mind.

Now, any "sane" singer will not try to copy Mariah's every note, melissma and deviations to pull that song through. For sure any singer who tries to sing that will gasp for air and end up choking with the notes.

When Mariah recorded that did you really think that the end product was a result of one take? They tried to select segments of every take which sounded good to come up with one patch of TTR.

For sure in every take Mariah would have sung it differently in some way.

Mariah's voice conceals the choking when she sings live because her voice has the natural husky texture. The "piyok" comes in naturally.

Regine's voice is rather plain, and has a thinner pitch. If she chokes on a note, it won't be left unnoticed.



The style:

Mariah has innovative ways of singing it. She can skip the bridge and just whistle. She uses a gospel choir to add more power. When she sings it straight... it doesnt sound all too different from the original. All because it was designed for her voice and style.

Regine sings it the way she hears it. That can sometimes be a problem. Her rendition is remarkable.... considering that it's live... we know she can hit the notes... but as one said... its not the notes hit... its the quality. When you are gasping for breath just to prove that you can hit them all... it's not worth it. It compromises the beauty of the performance.

Rachel.... sang it probably a fet lower. Unnoticable lower. Actually, she started it on the same key as Mariah's. the shifting is where she moved a fet or 2 lower than the Original version. Nice move for the arranger. Now Rachel moves on a comfort zone... a place where she sounds great and eventually creates an illusion that she hit the same note... so easily.

It's not fair to compare Rachel and Regine... or Regine and Mariah.
They have different styles and techniques.
One thing is for sure... Regine can hit Mariah notes.... not Rachel

BUT..... Regine is not meant to sing Mariah songs.... it just doesnt qualify... She just sounds tired and offbeat and or too streched when she adjusts to Mariah's style. Their vocal dynamics are far different. I want to make it clear that this is not a basis of who is the better singer, rather it helps determine what material a singer should choose to sing.

If you relize that the material doesnt sound good when you do it... better leave it to someone who can do it better. Regine can do better Streisand and Carpenter Songs than Mariah....... but Mariah can do Franklin and La Belle better than Regine.

Rachel... on the other hand is a very talented singer who is yet to discover the muscal path she wants to straddle.

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Author:
Shanikwa
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Date Posted: 13:00:53 08/06/04 Fri
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Galing naman ng explanation mo. Cute ka ba? Pakasal na lang kaya tayo? LOL.

Agree ako. Mariah's recording has been enhanced and pinagdugtong-dugtong nga lang. You can actually notice it if you listen to it keenly. Hindi tuloy-tuloy ang pagkanta nya, and you can notice it sa breaks and breathing sa recording, or wala ngang breathing, which makes it impossible not to gasp for air in between di ba. And when she sings it live, iniiba nya, or may gospel choir sya that sings alternately with her. Mahirap nga ang ginagawa ni Regine to sing it the way you hear it sa recording considering na ilang takes 'yon sa kay Mariah.

Post ka pa Zach ha. Feel ko ang posting mo.

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[> [> Subject: YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY.....


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JOE FROM NJ
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Date Posted: 05:11:47 08/09/04 Mon
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YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY THAT EVERY NEW SINGER IS COMPARED TO REGINE. IF THEY STOP COMPARING THEM TO REGINE THEN YOU SHOULD BE ALARMED. IT MEANS REGINE IS NOT THE BEST SINGER IN THE PHILIPPINES ANYMORE.

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Author:
mmJun ;-)
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Date Posted: 00:30:45 08/10/04 Tue
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Joe said:
>YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY THAT EVERY NEW SINGER IS COMPARED
>TO REGINE. IF THEY STOP COMPARING THEM TO REGINE THEN
>YOU SHOULD BE ALARMED. IT MEANS REGINE IS NOT THE BEST
>SINGER IN THE PHILIPPINES ANYMORE.


(this is a repeated post..)

mmJun:
Dang.. Joe got a point there. hehe.. But the comparisons
with the new breed does get annoying. Because they are
from Regine's own show! And knowing that girl's personal
musical character like we all do- you know what she would
like to see most is any singer coming out from under her
wings to excel out there in the music world. Even try to
be better than her. Which at this moment looks pretty
unattainable. For the unofficial record, R2K is believed
to have sold more than ONE MILLION COPIES. I like to see
any of the new breed of singers get close to that one.

:-) mmJun

Wat?! You don't believe it? Sus.. old news. You think Viva
put up that famous 2-day R2K concert of hers by blind faith
alone? hehe.. Boss(y) Vic is first a businessman. And he
saw what I been hearing about first hand- That R2K by the
5th month of release was already the year's biggest seller.

By the time the concert came out it was already passing its
first diamond status. Everyone on RVML at the time heard
the hints about it. And incredibly R2K was in the top 5
of the music charts for 11 straight months! It wasn't just
a monster seller. It was 'da monster' seller of all time
for a local artist! Sorry to say she had to be under Viva.
Because they wouldn't acknowledge that feat like Universal
Records would. *sigh*

>:-(

Regine's R2K site-
http://reginefan.tripod.com

known more as the Regine picture Bin.

Because its no secret that Regine's Ex-handler
hated the whole R2K project with a passion!
For some reason.. But this site was a celebration
of her best selling and most awesome made album.

;-)

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[> [> Subject: Re: Rachelle Ann Go- Shows/Songs


Author:
Abigail
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Date Posted: 02:12:01 10/07/05 Fri
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>Opinion from a spectator:
>
>This word war will never end if you dont stop
>comparing singers....and please leave Through The Rain
>behind.... it's so 2 years ago.
>
>Through the Rain is one of Mariah's most difficult
>songs....
>The song itself is not as high as the previous songs
>Mariah did. In fact, the climax of the song is a
>repetitious loop of the the same series of notes
>althroughout with slight deviations when she pulls the
>word "I" and "through" on the last chorus. Otherwise,
>its a fairly average song.
>
>What made the song difficult is the way it was
>composed. And what style of singing Mariah had in mind.
>
>Now, any "sane" singer will not try to copy Mariah's
>every note, melissma and deviations to pull that song
>through. For sure any singer who tries to sing that
>will gasp for air and end up choking with the notes.
>
>When Mariah recorded that did you really think that
>the end product was a result of one take? They tried
>to select segments of every take which sounded good to
>come up with one patch of TTR.
>
>For sure in every take Mariah would have sung it
>differently in some way.
>
>Mariah's voice conceals the choking when she sings
>live because her voice has the natural husky texture.
>The "piyok" comes in naturally.
>
>Regine's voice is rather plain, and has a thinner
>pitch. If she chokes on a note, it won't be left
>unnoticed.
>
>
>
>The style:
>
>Mariah has innovative ways of singing it. She can
>skip the bridge and just whistle. She uses a gospel
>choir to add more power. When she sings it
>straight... it doesnt sound all too different from the
>original. All because it was designed for her voice
>and style.
>
>Regine sings it the way she hears it. That can
>sometimes be a problem. Her rendition is
>remarkable.... considering that it's live... we know
>she can hit the notes... but as one said... its not
>the notes hit... its the quality. When you are
>gasping for breath just to prove that you can hit them
>all... it's not worth it. It compromises the beauty of
>the performance.
>
>Rachel.... sang it probably a fet lower. Unnoticable
>lower. Actually, she started it on the same key as
>Mariah's. the shifting is where she moved a fet or 2
>lower than the Original version. Nice move for the
>arranger. Now Rachel moves on a comfort zone... a
>place where she sounds great and eventually creates an
>illusion that she hit the same note... so easily.
>
>It's not fair to compare Rachel and Regine... or
>Regine and Mariah.
>They have different styles and techniques.
>One thing is for sure... Regine can hit Mariah
>notes.... not Rachel
>
>BUT..... Regine is not meant to sing Mariah songs....
>it just doesnt qualify... She just sounds tired and
>offbeat and or too streched when she adjusts to
>Mariah's style. Their vocal dynamics are far
>different. I want to make it clear that this is not a
>basis of who is the better singer, rather it helps
>determine what material a singer should choose to sing.
>
>If you relize that the material doesnt sound good when
>you do it... better leave it to someone who can do it
>better. Regine can do better Streisand and Carpenter
>Songs than Mariah....... but Mariah can do Franklin
>and La Belle better than Regine.
>
>Rachel... on the other hand is a very talented singer
>who is yet to discover the muscal path she wants to
>straddle.


I'm very sorry to reply to your quite a year old message but I just want to stress some points here if you don't mind and please don't get mad at me.

For me, in my own opinion and para sa akin lang, there is no best singer in the Philippines and in this world, not Mariah, not Rachelle Ann nor Sarah and not even Miss Regine Velasquez but none other than Lucifer, the head of the heavenly choir with the angelic voice who fell down right into the Abyss. Anyone who surpasses the latter in singing can be called the next Queen of Hell. As it is written, pride goes before a destruction.

For me, in my own opinion and para sa akin lang, Rachelle is not the best but she is good in and out because she fears God and was brought up very well by her good family. She knows how to look back or lumingon sa kanyang pinanggalingan and as a proof, she even guested in one of Regine's mall shows. Also, as a witness, I've seen and felt her true humility, kindness and benevolence. Furthermore, she always does acknowledge Regine's reigning power, highness and royalty in singing especially whenever she has a get-together with her fans.

She also pays due respect to Mariah. For me, as a respect, she rendered a lower version of TTR so as to have a different attack on the last part of the song when she sang it on S4AS grand finals and just to show that Mariah is far better off than her. On the contrary, I beg to disagree, though, that she can't reach any of Mariah's notes in any of her songs, if that's what you're pointing at(but if not, I apologize and stand corrected in advance). If you haven't heard her sing Never Too Far yet, well then I think you should. She always does it her own style(without ruining the song-still sounds great) and in that song, she did a twist on the last note by whistling instead of hitting it with a usual falsetto(she's the only one I heard who did that live-she didn't undergo submerged vocalization training in the sea or drum filled with water-could be the reason why she easily gets tired when singing but it just comes out naturally-I mean her vocal prowess- add to that, she even has a heart ailment problem, I guess). She also plays the drums, dances like a pro and even strums the guitar. So, you were right in mentioning that she is quite talented and so she is a talent to reckon with. All of these talents were God-given and she's just sharing them with us to inspire us, especially me. I'm not bragging about these but just informing you the truth.

For me, in my own opinion and para sa akin lang, Miss Regine Velasquez is so proud of her daughters, Sarah, Rachelle and Jonalyn(I hope Viva would come up with a concert of Regine having the three princesses as guests in one enormous venue). On the other hand, for me again, I believe Rachelle gives back all the glory to God, will forever be grateful to Miss Regine and Miss Mariah with all due respect and will always acknowledge the one and only Asia's Songbird's supremacy in the music industry, like forever.

Finally, for me again, I "reiterate", para sa akin lang po, nobody's perfect and no one is the best, no not one, only GOD. May God bless you all and peace be with you. If you even have the slightest thought of reacting to the last few words, don't even blink or you might have alraedy been blasted off in hell.:)

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Author:
ZachSiler
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Date Posted: 03:09:22 11/11/05 Fri
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>>Opinion from a spectator:
>>
>>This word war will never end if you dont stop
>>comparing singers....and please leave Through The Rain
>>behind.... it's so 2 years ago.
>>
>>Through the Rain is one of Mariah's most difficult
>>songs....
>>The song itself is not as high as the previous songs
>>Mariah did. In fact, the climax of the song is a
>>repetitious loop of the the same series of notes
>>althroughout with slight deviations when she pulls the
>>word "I" and "through" on the last chorus. Otherwise,
>>its a fairly average song.
>>
>>What made the song difficult is the way it was
>>composed. And what style of singing Mariah had in
>mind.
>>
>>Now, any "sane" singer will not try to copy Mariah's
>>every note, melissma and deviations to pull that song
>>through. For sure any singer who tries to sing that
>>will gasp for air and end up choking with the notes.
>>
>>When Mariah recorded that did you really think that
>>the end product was a result of one take? They tried
>>to select segments of every take which sounded good to
>>come up with one patch of TTR.
>>
>>For sure in every take Mariah would have sung it
>>differently in some way.
>>
>>Mariah's voice conceals the choking when she sings
>>live because her voice has the natural husky texture.
>>The "piyok" comes in naturally.
>>
>>Regine's voice is rather plain, and has a thinner
>>pitch. If she chokes on a note, it won't be left
>>unnoticed.
>>
>>
>>
>>The style:
>>
>>Mariah has innovative ways of singing it. She can
>>skip the bridge and just whistle. She uses a gospel
>>choir to add more power. When she sings it
>>straight... it doesnt sound all too different from the
>>original. All because it was designed for her voice
>>and style.
>>
>>Regine sings it the way she hears it. That can
>>sometimes be a problem. Her rendition is
>>remarkable.... considering that it's live... we know
>>she can hit the notes... but as one said... its not
>>the notes hit... its the quality. When you are
>>gasping for breath just to prove that you can hit them
>>all... it's not worth it. It compromises the beauty of
>>the performance.
>>
>>Rachel.... sang it probably a fet lower. Unnoticable
>>lower. Actually, she started it on the same key as
>>Mariah's. the shifting is where she moved a fet or 2
>>lower than the Original version. Nice move for the
>>arranger. Now Rachel moves on a comfort zone... a
>>place where she sounds great and eventually creates an
>>illusion that she hit the same note... so easily.
>>
>>It's not fair to compare Rachel and Regine... or
>>Regine and Mariah.
>>They have different styles and techniques.
>>One thing is for sure... Regine can hit Mariah
>>notes.... not Rachel
>>
>>BUT..... Regine is not meant to sing Mariah songs....
>>it just doesnt qualify... She just sounds tired and
>>offbeat and or too streched when she adjusts to
>>Mariah's style. Their vocal dynamics are far
>>different. I want to make it clear that this is not a
>>basis of who is the better singer, rather it helps
>>determine what material a singer should choose to
>sing.
>>
>>If you relize that the material doesnt sound good when
>>you do it... better leave it to someone who can do it
>>better. Regine can do better Streisand and Carpenter
>>Songs than Mariah....... but Mariah can do Franklin
>>and La Belle better than Regine.
>>
>>Rachel... on the other hand is a very talented singer
>>who is yet to discover the muscal path she wants to
>>straddle.
>
>
>I'm very sorry to reply to your quite a year old
>message but I just want to stress some points here if
>you don't mind and please don't get mad at me.
>
>For me, in my own opinion and para sa akin lang, there
>is no best singer in the Philippines and in this
>world, not Mariah, not Rachelle Ann nor Sarah and not
>even Miss Regine Velasquez but none other than
>Lucifer, the head of the heavenly choir with the
>angelic voice who fell down right into the Abyss.
>Anyone who surpasses the latter in singing can be
>called the next Queen of Hell. As it is written, pride
>goes before a destruction.
>
>For me, in my own opinion and para sa akin lang,
>Rachelle is not the best but she is good in and out
>because she fears God and was brought up very well by
>her good family. She knows how to look back or
>lumingon sa kanyang pinanggalingan and as a proof, she
>even guested in one of Regine's mall shows. Also, as a
>witness, I've seen and felt her true humility,
>kindness and benevolence. Furthermore, she always does
>acknowledge Regine's reigning power, highness and
>royalty in singing especially whenever she has a
>get-together with her fans.
>
>She also pays due respect to Mariah. For me, as a
>respect, she rendered a lower version of TTR so as to
>have a different attack on the last part of the song
>when she sang it on S4AS grand finals and just to show
>that Mariah is far better off than her. On the
>contrary, I beg to disagree, though, that she can't
>reach any of Mariah's notes in any of her songs, if
>that's what you're pointing at(but if not, I apologize
>and stand corrected in advance). If you haven't heard
>her sing Never Too Far yet, well then I think you
>should. She always does it her own style(without
>ruining the song-still sounds great) and in that song,
>she did a twist on the last note by whistling instead
>of hitting it with a usual falsetto(she's the only one
>I heard who did that live-she didn't undergo submerged
>vocalization training in the sea or drum filled with
>water-could be the reason why she easily gets tired
>when singing but it just comes out naturally-I mean
>her vocal prowess- add to that, she even has a heart
>ailment problem, I guess). She also plays the drums,
>dances like a pro and even strums the guitar. So, you
>were right in mentioning that she is quite talented
>and so she is a talent to reckon with. All of these
>talents were God-given and she's just sharing them
>with us to inspire us, especially me. I'm not bragging
>about these but just informing you the truth.
>
>For me, in my own opinion and para sa akin lang, Miss
>Regine Velasquez is so proud of her daughters, Sarah,
>Rachelle and Jonalyn(I hope Viva would come up with a
>concert of Regine having the three princesses as
>guests in one enormous venue). On the other hand, for
>me again, I believe Rachelle gives back all the glory
>to God, will forever be grateful to Miss Regine and
>Miss Mariah with all due respect and will always
>acknowledge the one and only Asia's Songbird's
>supremacy in the music industry, like forever.
>
>Finally, for me again, I "reiterate", para sa akin
>lang po, nobody's perfect and no one is the best, no
>not one, only GOD. May God bless you all and peace be
>with you. If you even have the slightest thought of
>reacting to the last few words, don't even blink or
>you might have alraedy been blasted off in hell.:)


Hehehe... great reply... really appreciate it. I also stand corrected... yes I heard rachelle hit higher notes...
=)

And after all this discussion.... it really is just a matter of preference....

I mean..you know, regine and mariah have nothing to prove na.... Mariah's glory days are like over a decade ago... all when her voice was young and vibrant. Everything fades away. Mortensen mentioned that regine has a regular show.. and all.... that's true. And it also has taken its toll. The voice quality is now different.
Mariah may not have regular shows, but hell she's been on tour... would tour for how may years...over a decade as well... I believe that's as taxing or even worse.

Some may like regine better than Mariah or otherwise. That's a matter of choice...
rachelle... on the other hand is getting better and better..
so does Sarah... give the girl some props. Damn, I heard her sing the greatest love of all... and I have to swear its the best version from a pinoy artist that I have ever heard of.

Filipino musicians will always be some of the best in the world.

Christmas is nearing.... does any of the artits mentioned above have an upcoming CChristmas album?
Mariah is coming up of a re-issue of Merry Christmas with addt'l DVD tracks.

Peace lang and enjoy the music.

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