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>>i WONDERED WHY THIS LITTERMATE BROTHER TO GERONIMO II >>HAS NEVER BEEN DISCUSSED VERY MUCH, even THOUGH he is >>A CLEAN SPECIMEN OF THE OLD FAMILY RED NOSE blood, >>DOWN from THE GERONIMO X RED DIXIE BREEDING ... >>**As a stud dog, he may have not been discussed very >>much, due to the limited breeding exposure. When >>there is limited information about a dog, I tend to >>look at what breedings the owner performed. This can >>give you some idea of what direction the owner saw fit >>to take the dog too. If the dog is worthwhile, a >>gamedog breeder will take it to competitive, working >>blood. If anything worthwhile comes of that game-bred >>litter, the dog will usually be in demand. You should >>see additional breedings. >>In hindsight, a look back should then reveal some >>consistent winners behind the various breedings. If >>the dog was not worthwhile he would not have been used >>much. >>The only point of reference on Cochise is that he was >>bred once, to a ¼ Staff dog. >> >>MARTIN CEASAR, AN OFFSPRING OF COCHISE, HAS BEEN >>PLAYED DOWN BY JUST A FEW BREEDERS, WHO USUALLY ARE >>WORKING WITH OTHER LINES AND BASE THEIR CONCLUSIONs ON >>SPECULATION ... >>**I was around when Martin Ceasar offspring where >>being tried. >>There were some people using OFRN blood that liked >>this cross, as compared to most straight OFRN dogs of >>that time, the Ceasar offspring had a stronger >>constitution. >>A cross will typically add vigor and I think some >>breeders of that time believed the vigor provided by >>Topsey Turvey was an improvement and therefore, bred >>it back into the OFRN blood. >>Personally, I think that when you are going to breed >>back into a bloodline, you should use blood with a >>history of producing good prospects, from a proven >>subject. >>The blood should be the best available, as you are >>looking to improve the future of your bloodline. >>Based on the breeding choice and then the historical >>information available on the various offspring, it >>looks as if the greatest, most consistent contribution >>by Martin Ceasar was to the Tufftown line of UKC >>show-stock. >> >>The folks who were trying to use straight OFRN stock >>in the late 70’s and early 80’s as combatants, knew >>that the line needed a little boost. Instead of >>Topsey Turvey, I would have liked to have seen a cross >>that would have had a chance to continue producing >>good dogs down the road and not just a one-time vigor >>shot that had some staff blood. >> >>I tried to stimulate a conversation once, when I >>pretended to turn back time and asked the board what >>they would have bred to Hemphill’s Geronimo, with the >>intent of bringing that offspring back into their OFRN >>line. Interestingly enough, nobody responded by >>saying Topsey Turvey. >> >>When these Martin Ceasar offspring were being tried in >>the sporting arenas, they were not top end. More >>importantly, they were not producing competitive dogs. >> That’s why outside of some OFRN hopefuls, nobody used >>it. I have SDJ’s ranging from the early 70’s to the >>late 80’s. There are few Martin Ceasar dogs in that >>entire span of time. >> >>History cannot be changed. >>One thing that bugged me back in the late 70’s was the >>smug UKC show people that acted like they had >>something really special with their Tufftown dogs. >>Of course they were against dog-fighting because they >>owned a bunch of curs, but when they talked about >>their dogs, they spoke with this inner smugness and >>floated the word “Hemphill” as if it was an earned >>medal. This was back when the first Stratton book had >>just been out for a little while and the tufftown >>crowd took great pride that “Hemphill” blood was in >>their stock, even though their breedings and >>intentions would have made Bob Hemphill turn over in >>his grave. > >LOL ... BOY YOU SURE HAVE A LOT TO SAY ABOUT >EVERYTHING WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE ... THOSE TIME PERIODS >YOU CLAIM TO BE SO UP ON IS A DAM LIE ... YOU TOLD ME >YOURSELF YOU WERE CLEANING DOG CRAP FOR A GUY THAT >LATER COLD QUIT THE DOG HOBBIE ... YOU GOT ONE DOG ... >THATS A PET OWNER ... YOUR THINKING IS BASED ON >INFORMATION NOT FACT ... THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE ... >SIMILIAR TO PROPAGANDA ... YOUR HISTORY DIALOUGE IS >YOUR OPINION ... WE ALL HAVE THAT ...
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