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| Subject: Re: NORROD HEMPHILL RED DANGER | |
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Author: Danger Author Host/IP: 71.35.243.97 |
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Date Posted: 19:38:31 05/08/06 Mon >>>>>Congratulations Jewels! >>>>> >>>>>Excellent. >>>> >>>>Thanks Mallard! >>>> >>>>The credit goes to Iron Mike for having the common >>>>sense and hindsight for creating Hemphill dogs that >>>>can compete to this very day. >>>> >>>>Sillydogman the best you could come up with was >>"porch >>>>monkey"? How creative and imaginative are you? You >>>>were better off just calling me a "nigger". I'm >going >>>>to show you how us "porch monkeys" think and how you >>>>can never take their word for anything. >>>> >>>>I'll use a modern day dog owned by a "porch monkey" >>>>you might be familar with that made a ripple in the >>>>dog game. >>>> >>>><a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPed">http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPed</a> >i >>g >>>r >>>>ee.php?dog_id=337 >>>> >>>>He was instrumental in the breedings that made Tab a >>>>ROM. You didn't have to take his word on anything >the >>>>dogs TALKED for him. >>>> >>>>Now the part I like is "porch monkeys" kind of think >>>>alike. Nine months ago I bred Danger to a Tab bred >>>>female owned by a "porch monkey". Here is the ped to >>>>her 1/2 brother who by the way is the 2005 Dog Of >The >>>>Year! >>>> >>>><a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPed">http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPed</a> >i >>g >>>r >>>>ee.php?dog_id=131879 >>>> >>>>Her littermate brother also impressed me, here is >his >>>>ped. >>>> >>>><a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPed">http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPed</a> >i >>g >>>r >>>>ee.php?dog_id=156075 >>>> >>>>The pups are 7 months old now. All rednose and super >>>>acting. In about a year they will be able to TALK >>>>where you don't have to take my word on anything. >>>> >>>>Here is another breeding I did with Danger. >>>> >>>><a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPed">http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPed</a> >i >>g >>>r >>>>ee.php?dog_id=177114 >>>> >>>>The "porch monkey" who owns Pearl was so impressed >by >>>>Danger I couldn't get a pup! Those pups are about 4 >>>>months old now. I don't need to say a word in a year >>>>or so they will be able to TALK just fine. >>>> >>>>A couple of days ago I received a long awaited email >>>>from a kennel(ran by a "porch monkey") setting up a >>>>tentative breeding with my female. >>>> >>>><a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPed">http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPed</a> >i >>g >>>r >>>>ee.php?dog_id=89001 >>>> >>>>The Gr.Ch. for the planned breeding is probably the >>>>best Midnight Cowboy dog EVER! J. Abraham("porch >>>>monkey") owner of Gr.Ch.Queen of Hearts said the >male >>>>was the best dog to EVER look through a collar. >>>> >>>>Now when it comes to the wins(4-0)off the >>>>Hemphill/Norrod dogs "porch monkeys" were reponsible >>>>in either conditioning, handling or owning every >dog. >>>>No homecooking here those dogs won in three >different >>>>states with altitudes ranging from sea level to >8,000 >>>>feet above sea level. >>>> >>>>Sillydogman can you show me one ped on any Hemphill >>>>based dog that has won in the last 8 months? How >>about >>>>in the last 2 years? Show me three peds in the last >5 >>>>years. >>>> >>>>Sillydogman I thinks it's time you bought a tanning >>>>pass...LOL! Maybe then your pigment challenged ass >>can >>>>get a WIN! >>> >>>That Norrod/Hemphill stuff is still just Geronimo >>>dogs, PERIOD! And btw, your Geronimo dogs arent the >>>only ones winning. Just some people are more descrete >>>than yourself. >> >>If you think all Geronimo dogs are created equal or >>perform the same you need one of two things or maybe >>both.... 1.) a history lesson or 2.) glasses to read a >>pedigree. >> >>I don't really have the time to write some long drawn >>out post. But if YOU had the choice what would you do? >>Get dogs from peddlers, non performance dogmen and >>newbies or from the breeder you has produced more >>winners, champions, grand champions and ROM OFRN dogs >>than anyone in history? >> >>Do you think that performance dogman's testing, >>culling and breeding standards would be BETTER? Do YOU >>think by linebreeding a Ch. ROM OFRN dog improved the >>family? Do you think from that breeding which produced >>3 winners from a pure Hemphill female was a fluke? >>When in no time in history no pure Hemphill female has >>ever done the same. Then take a pure Hemphill dog and >>linebreed and inbreed among the crossed females >>produced a better Hemphill family? >> >>I would like someone to show me a ped of Geronimo dog >>as inbred as Danger do what he has. Danger is 48.4375% >>Geronimo almost like a direct son. Since there are >>none show me a Geronimo based dog who has done what he >>has. >> >>1.) Produce inbred winners. No fresh blood, >>linebreeding or outcross but the same genetic makeup. >> >>2.) Show me a Geronimo based stud you can breed to >>that has inbred winners on the ground today. >> >>3.) Show me a Geronimo based stud that was bred by a >>performance dogman. >> >>4.) This is the one I think is impressive. Show me a >>Geronimo based stud who can be a replacement dog on >>short notice, be bred several times before, get the >>job done in an hour and a half, bring home the $$$ and >>live to tell his story. >> >>Now as far as other winning Geronimo dogs. Let me tell >>you something. When it comes to pitdogs and dogmen >>there is 2 degrees of sepration. When it comes to OFRN >>dogmen there is 1 degree of seperation. There are no >>secrets or unknown winning OFRN dogs ANYWHERE because >>word gets out sooner or later! I don't care how >>secretive you are or think you are people know. >> >>Anything else you would like to know about Danger? One >>of the best performing and producing Hemphill OFRN >>dogs! > > >Well, if you were as knowledgable as you think you are >you would be able to answer your own questions lol. >Not to say that your Danger dog is not good, because >im sure he is, but you, nor Norrod, have a total >lockdown on good OFRN dogs. > >I have in my possession an 11xW OFRN (unreported) whos >last race was won over a CH. in southern NM in 2:43 in >2002. He comes from a mother to son breeding. The >mother comes from a tight brother to sister breeding. >Both grandparents are from brother to sister >breedings. Hell, 4 generations of his ped are based on >tight inbreeding, OFRN dogs are known for being able >to perform coming from tight inbreedings. Said dog is >going on 10 years old in Sept. >Throws a consistant 70% ratio of game dogs. 50% of >those are race quality. And he doesnt have a single >drop of that Norrod/Hemphill stuff in him. Like I say, >their are others out there, just some are more >descrete than yourself. > >Your problem is that the only OFRN person that you >talk to is Norrod lol. He'll make you believe that the >entire world revolves around him. AND IT DOESNT! I >once spoke to IM in the late 90s about his >Norrod/Hemphill stuff, and he said, and I quote, "I >couldnt give this stuff away to a real dogman". So in >reguards to your Danger dog, I say cool, good for you. >As for the Norrod/Hemphill line as a whole, I say >well, even the sun shines on a dogs azz once in a >while lol. > >Now here are some questions for you: > >1. How many Ch.s in the last 10 years has that >Norrod/Hemphill stuff produced? > >2. How many Gr.Ch.s in the last 10 years has that >Norrod/Hemphill stuff produced? > >3. How many straight Norrod/Hemphill dogs in the last >10 years have made it over the 2 hour mark in stiff >competition? > >For some kennels working other lines, the numbers >answers to the above answered questions are quite >high. So in a sence, this entire topic is really not >even worth discussing lol. > >You may have got lucky with the one you have, but as a >whole, just like every other yard of straight OFRN >blood, the Norrod/Hemphill stuff falls short in pure >form of being a high % performance line. > >I will tell you just like I have told many others in >the OFRN lines, the power is in crosses, not pure >form. Breed to improve the breed, not just one line. >If everybody was pig headed enough to breed just one >line and never outcross it, we wouldnt have some of >the high calibre lines out there today. We wouldnt >have a Bolio/Tombstone line, or a Redboy/Jocko line >ect. ect. >Without crosses, the best producers and performers of >our generation, and the generations of gone would not >exist. > >Nobody likes a bragger, it is better to be humble. >Well, if you were as knowledgable as you think you are >you would be able to answer your own questions lol. *Response <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=108242">http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=108242</a> He answered all the questions I asked in my previous post. I have yet to see anyone post a Geronimo stud that has done the same. As far as my knowledge of OFRN dogs especially Hemphill dogs I have forgot more than some will EVER know. Not to say that your Danger dog is not good, because >im sure he is, but you, nor Norrod, have a total >lockdown on good OFRN dogs. *Response I or Norrod have never stated to having a total lockdown on good OFRN blood. Norrod's accomplishments speak for themselves. My dogs and the dogs I bred considering how they are bred and what they have accomplished speaks for themselves. I have in my possession an 11xW OFRN (unreported) whos >last race was won over a CH. in southern NM in 2:43 in >2002. He comes from a mother to son breeding. The >mother comes from a tight brother to sister breeding. >Both grandparents are from brother to sister >breedings. Hell, 4 generations of his ped are based on >tight inbreeding, OFRN dogs are known for being able >to perform coming from tight inbreedings. Said dog is >going on 10 years old in Sept. *Response That's great you have an unreported 11x winner. I'm sure how he is bred is crossed out then inbred. Nothing close to what Danger is genetically. When it comes to Geronimo dogs he as close as you will find to getting a dog from Bob Hemphill's yard. The dog is 96% Hemphill! Throws a consistant 70% ratio of game dogs. 50% of >those are race quality. And he doesnt have a single >drop of that Norrod/Hemphill stuff in him. Like I say, >their are others out there, just some are more >descrete than yourself. *Response That's great you dog is throwing those %s. Danger has 4 dogs of age to be evaluated. 50% are reported match winners bred to a female with the same genetic makeup! Like I said before everyone knows what everyone is doing there are no secrets. Backyard rolls and matches might not get talked about but reported matches do. By the way it's spelled discreet. Your problem is that the only OFRN person that you >talk to is Norrod lol. He'll make you believe that the >entire world revolves around him. AND IT DOESNT! I >once spoke to IM in the late 90s about his >Norrod/Hemphill stuff, and he said, and I quote, "I >couldnt give this stuff away to a real dogman". *Response If you think Norrod is the only OFRN person I have talked to YOU are sadly mistaken. I highly doubt I.M. nade that statement because all you would have to do is look at the ped of Ch.Gambler. What he has always said was "I couldn't give the dogs away because Jake & Sitze had the market flooded." So in >reguards to your Danger dog, I say cool, good for you. >As for the Norrod/Hemphill line as a whole, I say >well, even the sun shines on a dogs azz once in a >while lol. *Response I don't need your approval or compliments. The last time I checked the sun is till out. If you doubt it or think it's a fluke my email addy works unlike yours. <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=157494">http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=157494</a> Waiting and READY for #3 <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=157494">http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=157494</a> My favorite and just beat a daughter of Ch.Lefty in 2:46. To finish the rest of this post I have to put my sunglasses on...suns shining in my eyes...lol! For some kennels working other lines, the numbers >answers to the above answered questions are quite >high. So in a sence, this entire topic is really not >even worth discussing lol. *Response No SHIT Sherlock. The discussion was OFRN dogs not other lines or kennels, you brought this up. You may have got lucky with the one you have, but as a >whole, just like every other yard of straight OFRN >blood, the Norrod/Hemphill stuff falls short in pure >form of being a high % performance line. *Response Once again No SHIT Sherlock. This whole thread is about Danger being at stud and his accomplsihments. Other lines weren't discussed as a matter of fact other OFRN lines weren't discussed either. I will tell you just like I have told many others in >the OFRN lines, the power is in crosses, not pure >form. Breed to improve the breed, not just one line. >If everybody was pig headed enough to breed just one >line and never outcross it, we wouldnt have some of >the high calibre lines out there today. We wouldnt >have a Bolio/Tombstone line, or a Redboy/Jocko line >ect. ect. *Response Save your breathe and your typing, you don't need to tell me. I see you have a hard time reading and comprehending. One of my first sentences was Danger isn't open to OFRN bitches. The only exceptions would be to a Gibson or Norrod female depending on the owner. I also said you won't get anything off Danger unless you have a Rascal(Ch.homer), Midnight Cowboy or a heavy Eli female. Nobody likes a bragger, it is better to be humble. *Response Ask me if I give a rat's cock what you or anyone likes or what you think about me? I don't care to be politically correct or popular. Everything I said about Danger was facts. Facts can't be disputed. Danger is one of the best performing and producing Hemphill Old Family RedNose dogs! [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |