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Subject: Re: Norrod Answer and Explanation


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BILLYT
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Date Posted: 05:25:23 02/21/06 Tue
In reply to: Mike Norrod 's message, "Re: Norrod Answer and Explanation" on 21:55:02 02/20/06 Mon

I read Mikes post and it was right on the money.Its not to
say that what you are doing will not work,but where you made
the statement that you keep what you have and don't let it out goes in your favor.
As Mike said if you produce a world beater and its in anothers hands there is a percentage that will indeed change
the pedigree.
The part of if somehow someone was able to get a feamle off you there again is a high percentage that they will indeed breed her and because of her blood will try and cash in on the pups and under bid you.And in most cases it would be as if they were giveing the dogs away.
FLoyd asked what most seem as alot of money for his pups.But when one spends a life time of trial and error and hits gold there is no reason to more or less give them away.
Example at a show in La.I met some locals from New Orleans
they said they were selling the same line as FLoyd but almost a thousand $$$$$ cheaper or for three hundered dollars.
Now that is bad enough but as with every line out there today if someone has your line and the dogs don't pan out the bashing and name calling will start and never stop.
One other thing if others belief you can help them in anyway they will indeed be your good ole boy but if you give the help and it does not turn out or you get out of dogs you find out in a hurry just who your friends are.
But I belief you already know that part.I met the breeder of the MOLLYBEE dogs and was fasinated in his dealings.
I will go on record as to say in all these years I never seen pups that looked better then he produced.I mean fat healthy,papered pups out of proven blood and the papers had no flaws in them.
He sold the pups for around three hundered and was from what I observed an honest man.
He told me when I asked why so cheap and from a bloodline second to none.
He said there are those that will make the blood stand out and prove to all that its worth its weight in gold.
But then he took me by surprize and said within a year or more most will call him and ask if they could trade the now young dog back for another pup.
He explained to me although these are not bad dogs they are more then most can handle and he even was given that $300.00
pup back for nothing in return.
He knew his dogs and when someone gave or traded for another pup he would keep the young dog and wait for it to mature.He was batting close to eighty five percent that after keeping them until they matured they were sold for three times the amount as most turned out and increased his rep ten fold as he himself was not into the fun and games of long ago.Man was that fellow smart and had the knownledge to boot.
I said years ago that no matter what line of dogs each of those that I called friends had that we would never let the dogs ruin our friendship.
Well I got out of the dogs and I thought I had the black plaque as there were very few days that went by that someone did not come over to shoot the lingo.
I still have a couple that are friends that we can converse with each other on other subjects but after reading what Mike said it sure is true.People (not) will be your bud until there is no need for your presence anymore.
I got older and my thinking became somewhat smarter in who
I help or deal with and as I said I donot play the fun and games.
So when you bail out is when you find out how things really are for sure.
Your head is right on as far as direction that you choose.
Please forgive me for my two cents but what Mike said is true.
I also feel very stongely that if someone gives you a pup
that is not your blood.It should me kept with the breeders name on it and not changed.
The dogs you breed should recieve the credit (but one also
has to except the credit for the bad also) that is the down fall.
But people are the greatest actors in the world they will tell you anything you want to hear and make all the that you want sound like someone tickleing ones ears.
I don't always agree with everyone and for reasons I myself
know but keep to myself.
You I'am sure know enough when you are being taken for a ride.Its funny when one stands in front of you bragging about this or that and you know their lieing through thier teeth.Sometimes it hard to stand there and lisson to the puke spewing out of their mouths.
Keep in touch as its a rough road out there today.









>Mike it has been very exciting. You sure are proud of
>>your line and those that have your dogs are zealous
>>followers of what you have accomplished on the winning
>>table.
>>In the future I hope I will not offend anyone when I
>>make reference to MY RED NOSE FAMILY in positive
>>terms. If I had the time I would love to bred
>>something off your winning table but that is not
>>possible. My breeding table is full and I like what I
>>have been served.
>>Thanks for your time and I will be sure to not get in
>>your way when making comments about RED NOSE DOGS. I
>>don't need to explain your line as you have many
>>people who will do that gladly. What I am breeding
>>within my own tiny gene pool is the best of what I
>>want in a DOG and RED NOSE FAMILY. There are millions
>>of pit bulls all over the world but only a few good
>>ones and even then the percentage is only 1 percent of
>>1 percent.
>>When I say I have the better DOG, please take no
>>offense. I'm like a bragging father proud of his
>>family. So far no one has bought a single cur from me
>>or a stolen dog or one with a false pedigree. I think
>>that is a good record so far for a mustard seed like
>>myself. My original purpose for having these dogs is
>>to develop my OWN BLOODLINE no matter how long it
>>takes. I am sure my line will never become large, but
>>it will be nevertheless small with a huge reputation
>>and honest accountability.
>>Bad Frank has shown me much patience and
>>consideration. I will say that his yard is one I
>>respect and he himself is a flying person with
>>conviction and dedication. Good example of a breeder
>>and competitor.
>>Mike your breeding years are interesting and your dogs
>>as well . Hope you the best on your book and may you
>>and your family have a rich and happy life.
>>
>>FigTreeJohn
>>REALDOGS
>>realdogs@aol.com
>>
>>"every dog has its day ..."
>
>Let me tell you a true story from years ago and this
>is how I feel for the lessen I learned.
>
>I was outside Chicago in Tinley Park at Pat
>Bodzianowski' house. A young kid showed up. I not sure
>why but the kid called him God father. I know some of
>the area dogmen called him Godfather but I took it as
>him just being a gangster but Pat was Catholic so he
>could have been his Godfather. :)
>
>The kid came up to Pat in the yard so proud of his new
>young pup and the kid handed Pat his papers. Pat took
>the papers and crunch them up and whip his ass with
>them and said that is all they're good for. The kid
>was very upset and ask why he did that and Pat said,
>kid you are wasting your time and money on this
>quality of pup. Best thing for you to do is put the
>pup down and cut your losses and let me sell you a
>good pup which you will have better luck with.
>
>I never said a word but I saw the hussle.
>Well, the kid put the pup down and Pat sold him
>another one.
>After the kid left I said to Pat, How could you con
>that kid that way?
>
>Pat said, If that kid does not have more faith in his
>dogs then to listen to a dumb old pollock like me and
>others, he doesn't deserve to have them!
>Besides, I didn't want him to have a litter mate to my
>pups!!
>
>So I took from that the fact, that NO ONE will ever
>talk my dogs down, they will have to prove it first
>and I will have to see it with my own eyes and I won't
>believe anything in dogs without it being proven to me
>first!
>Because if I don't believe in them why should anyone
>else?
>
>Now John, I want you to think back real hard. Have I
>ever jammed on you for your brag?
>Just don't do it at my expense and jam on my brag...
>
>News Flash for everyone.........PEOPLE CAN STILL BE
>FRIENDS WITHOUT FEEDING THE SAME BLOODLINE OF DOGS!!
>
>This is what is wrong in the game today, hating for no
>reason.
>
>John I hope someday you will have the same problem as
>me that I have with my straight Red Devil blood.
>Because of almost 50% William/Hemphill blood mine has
>got like so many other red nose bloodlines. To tight
>where at times I have problems producing a lot of
>quality dogs with power.
>When I do, I won't risk losing it in the []. I will
>treasure it and save it and put it back for myself.
>
>But I do have one thing that a lot of other OFRN
>breeders don't have and that is when I do cross, mine
>adds to the power because the most dominate factor in
>the line is Red Devil and it is a power line like Eli
>bloodline of Boudreaux.
>
>I personally feel mine are more like Clouse dogs now,
>where they can be crossed with anything and produce
>good right down to 1/4 of my blood.
>
>Good luck because you will need it with all the
>husslers and haters and con artists out there these
>days trying to cheat you out of your money or your
>dogs..
>
>Another thing Pat said to me that was true.
>You are the greatest guy going when they want
>something from you but after you get off of it, you
>are a no good co__su__er after you do!
>
>Man the users who ride along and try to make money off
>any success you have! If you get off a female they
>will breed it and sell pups half price just to cut
>your throat!
>Or when you do produce a world beater, they change the
>paper work to give the credit to themseleves!
>
>I could go on and on but you know what I mean or you
>will learn soon enough..........later.

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