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| Subject: Re: William Joseph Lightner [correction] | |
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Author: Old Roy Author Host/IP: 4.246.102.108 |
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Date Posted: 18:13:55 05/05/05 Thu In reply to: Old Roy 's message, "Re: William Joseph Lightner" on 18:38:46 05/03/05 Tue >>>if everyone would please post any historical info >they >>>have about Mr. Lightner or any of his dogs. >> >>It is beleived he had a good eye at pickin brood >>bitches that usually produced pretty good. He was not >>a OFRN die hard but used a few and later directed his >>attention away from them due to size. To big for him. >>Lightner's Topsey [Colby} was a dog chosen for >>Lightner by John Colby to breed to his Masterson Jack >>dog. Lightner's Vick an offspring of that breeding and >>also a 4th generation ancestor to Ferguson's >>Centipede. Lightner's Vick appears 10X in 10 >>generation pedigree. >>Some use this breeding formula to substantiate the >>original OFRN foundation. Ferguson's Centipede is also >>found 4th generation Sander's Satan. Geronimo X Red >>Dixie [Hemphill] >>brother / sister breeding through Sander's Satan and >>Hemphill's Rebel is a very tight retainer of the OFRN >>through this strain. >>Lightner, Bourgeois, Hemphill, McClintock,Wallace, >>Clouse, Owens, Harvey, Colby were men who bred for >>game first. Other traits never superceded game. What >>we see today is not from those days. >>William Lightner was a great breeder and keeper of pit >>dogs, Lightner dogs were of great value because of >>what they represented....game pit dogs. > > >Lightner's Vick was out of a Colby bitch >she was english/Irish hybrid...breeding her to the >Irish import Masterson's Jack made them 5/8 to 3/4 >Irish. Hemphill stated that Vick and both his parents >were Red, and also this was the dog they were breeding >around. >...This is the begining of what we know as the "Old >Family". Lightner's Vick was the winner of nearly >twenty battles [Bloodlines 1921] and his reputation as >a producer was renowned. They are a strain of the Pit >Terrier family.... I made a mistake, saying Lightner's Topsey was red. Thats what happens when you think you know it all, because someone told you something, who thought they knew it all also. Two wrongs don't make a right. Lightner's Topsey [Colby] as pictured in the book, "Colby's Book of the American Pit Bull Terrier" by Louis Colby page 86 clearly shows a black and white dog. To say Hemphill stated that Lightner's Vick's Sire and Dam were red is an error. My information supposedly came from a reliable source but Louis Colby superceded that data. Just goes to show you how easy it is to be misinformed even in print. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
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