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Author: Mike Norrod Author Host/IP: 67.177.152.140 |
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Date Posted: 07:51:25 02/15/06 Wed In reply to: FTJ 's message, "Re: TJ" on 20:56:07 02/14/06 Tue \ > >**** Johnnie Boy? <----NEW HANDLE? Just responding to you like you did Bill as Billy Boy... >>Second, he was correct about those dogs being >>ill-tempered and don't try and blame it on Ron!! >**** Didn't blame it on Ron. I sugguested the behavior >resulted due to poor care, no food, no water, no shit >pick up. How in hell do you know how Ron kept his dogs. You didn't even own APBT or using the strain OFRN when Ron had dogs. What you think I didn't know Ron? Or when Ron got out of dogs? >>Now don't show how stupid you are by trying to >>challenge my memory, many people will tell you mine is >>very good by just watching me in person when we >>discuss dogs, pedigrees and history. >**** Don't call me stupid Mike and I won't challenge >your memory. You have in the pass. Oh your right, it wasn't my memory, it was that I was a lair... >>So you think the fault of ill-temperedness was on >>Ron's breeding? >**** Condition Jake's dogs lived in while he was ill. How do you know? Listening to rumours again? Let me tell something, even when Jake was well in MO. he wasn't all that great at taking care of his dogs. >>Once again you show the greenhorn in you by repeating >>information told to you second hand by someone who >>didn't know shit. > >**** We all repeat information we hear Mike. Most >people I know are usually well informed and been >around the block a few dozen times. Well they can't be that well informed because I've read some of the information they have given you. BTW if they are still going around the block, send them my way and we try to see who's history is still correct. >>BTW don't play like you knew Maurice and kind of >>person he was because this is another person you >>didn't know and I did. And Maurice could still teach >>many of you school boys lessens on ruthlessness. >**** Perhaps. :) LOL be prepared to be a killer because Maurice was. Twice I know of. >>Back to the history of ill-tempered Hemphill/Wilder >>dogs. >**** If that's true, why breed them to any particular >extent? Well it is a little hard to ask Jake why now since he is dead but in my opinion is, Jake made his money and living off breeding dogs. I don't think he was going to shoot the goose that laid the golden egg! >>I guess you never knew about of the mauling they >>dished out. Geronimo mauled Jake real bad when he >>first got him. When I was there Scarlet Lady tried to >>attack me through a gated pen and I took a picture of >>it. Jake aka Joke in Stratton's book, was Ty's litter >>mate brother. Jake got Bill Weaver down and was >>mauling him so bad he took a shovel to him and >>breaking his teeth off to get Jake off him. Bill gave >>Jake to Gary Hughes, Palmer Combs old partner in the >>Creed dogs (Ch. Lively etc.). Jake tried this with him >>and Gary sent the dog to FL. and someone finally got >>tired of it and put the dog down. Dogs off Geronimo 2 >>was ill-tempered. So where the ones off his younger >>brother Spinner. >**** Which ones were clean and sound Mike? Hard to say unless you had access to many of them where you bred a litter and kept them all and cull it out of them. But when a dog showed game but is ill-tempered like Zebo was, it is hard to kill a game dog and old timers usually just dogman up and death with it. Ill-temperedness was very common years ago in Hemphill dogs as well as Zebo, Eli and Bullyson dogs. My personal opinion is, I thought when more of the dogs were crossed out, like some of the dogs I seen from House of Bull North, I thought most of that was bred out of them. I truly haven't been around some of the other yards today which are breeding Ron or Bill Pritts old stock to know if the problem still exists. But I'm sure if it did then we would be hearing about it. I believe if you do inbreed or tight line breed the Hemphill bloodline tight, it will appear again. jmo because of what I saw in the pass. This trait is in the bloodline. >>So when you speak about Hemphill dogs and Jake Wilder >>and Maurice Carver, speak of what you know of first >>hand like Bill did! Don't try and play it off like >>Bill has amnesia of what he saw. > >**** No play off here Mike. Sure read like it when you played off his memory as sooooooo long ago. >>Don't you try and change the truth about history of >>things we all saw first hand. > >**** You didn't see everything Mike. But I do speak of what I saw first hand and that is what I said, not that I saw everything. That is what I'm referring to with you. >>BTW what do think Maud was doing on the front cover of >>the book, trying to give a "love kiss?" > >**** Was that Maud? For a man that knows so much about this strain, I surely thought you knew pure Hemphill dogs when you saw them. :) >>Here something else people need to remember about >>Jake, he was well into his 60's when he got the dogs >>from Bob. >>Bob had already bred Geronimo to Dixie before and from >>the litter came Lowman's Shine 2xw. > >**** Something good in Lowman's Shine 2XW? Yup as I stated 2xw. Funny though, Bob produced winners and Jake didn't from the same two dogs. Makes a person wonder why. Makes a person question breeding practices. >>Jake was to old to cull his dogs. Jake didn't match >>dogs. Jake did NOT cull his dogs! He was an old man >>when he got the Hemphill dogs. >**** True. That's why the wrong dogs were put into >circulation. So what does that say about everyone's dogs down from his breeding that haven't culled them for generations and most of all, took them out and tried to prove them? >>John you are very upset with me because of the truth >>about Red Satan. I never told it publicly. I knew it >>for years and when I spoke about it, it was in >>private. I didn't want to show people up and let >>things like this known. Someone else started it by >>repeating it online. No I didn't care for them telling >>the story out of school but when it came public and I >>was asked publicly, yes I told the truth!! As I am now >>and so is Bill! >**** Well Mike, I have never been upset about your >Hemphill / Wilder accounts. As far as Wilder's Red >Satan is concerned, we will never know. But for the >record, you pissed me off years ago, in a phone >conversation, and now that's not important either. Well I do know......... You might not never know but I do. Once again, I saw first hand. Phone conversation, damn I need to work on my people skills. I'm not big at sucking up or kissing ass on the phone or in public or any place else. Personally, on second thought, I don't find it a fault. I sleep just fine when I'm direct and let people know where I stand and where they stand with me. No confusion, no mis-intent. No pussy footing around. Straight forward like an old true gamedog that likes it where the action is, in your face... >>Hell if I wanted to bust everyone's balls who fed >>Hemphill/Wilder dogs then I would told about the dogs >>from the breeding of Geronimo 2 to the Red Bone Hounds >>Jacob bred and who got them! >**** Interesting cross. If you think so, but personally I don't think the people feeding them would think so.. >>But when one wonders why things are the way they are, >>then look for the real truth and you will know why. >>Don't cry about it and try to change the truth to suit >>your personal needs for your own financial gain. >> >>Do it for the dogs and correct what is wrong and make >>it right even if it is to the point it might cost >>great sums of money. >>History will remember you by what you have achieved >>not by how you have tried to make others think what >>really happened. >**** Mike I think you have done that to a certain >extent with success. My hat is always off to hard >working breeder and their DOGS. Well I don't think I ever was all that great of a breeder. Tried hard but history will have to deside that. I never really cared that much for breeding. My brother like doing that more then I ever did. When it was done, we made the choices together but I didn't like dealing anyway with the public. My main interest was in proving the breeding and more then 80% was by me. But when brothers have the same last name and one is in the public with pictures and adds for stud or breeding, then people think the history was set with that one and not the other. In the future I feel better with less and less breeding. I only bred dogs for a few reasons. 1. to let others to try and get a decent dog and show they weren't hand made. 2. to help afford keeping a large yard under ruff weather conditions and never having to make a choice based on cost of what I could afford for health care because of the all mighty dollar. I.M. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |