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Author: BILLYT Author Host/IP: 209.4.44.149 |
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Date Posted: 13:49:30 02/17/06 Fri In reply to: Mike Norrod 's message, "Re: B.T.'s Mr. Magoo dog..." on 08:59:01 02/17/06 Fri I did not know you hsd blood form otto otto.Solution was a good dog,in his own right.Otto otto was a long dog in body and he was red brindle.Alot of Mary's dogs were different colors of brindle and most haveing black noses.She told me long long ago she was being labled a rednose breeder.She said she had nothing to do with it that is the way nature dished things out.Heck most of the old sorona dogs had black noses.Like I said Mr,Magoo's grand dam red pepper came from a litter of nine in which she and four others were black nose. I call pepper the old strain of sorona as what I call the new was loaded with dogs of other bloodlines such as carver etc.I remember when she closed her yard and tried to get rid of the dead weight and add some punch to it. The El Cid and Motorhead crossed well although it took time to cull to find what was somewhat descent.The sorona jo jo bicth was heavy motorhead and game and guess what she was black brindle yet cayenne pepper was red rednose like his sire trouble. ALot of folks considered the sorona line at least the old line as OFRN when one only had to pick up a pedigree to see it for themselfs that although there were some clouse blood in it there was also some other lines. Most of the Widler dogs had colby in them and other lines besides. If you remember me saying that Jake told me that alot of his dogs were starting to run seventy pounds plus and he crossed them with something and sold them to wolf hunters.I thought that was far fetched but when I read what you said about the redbone cross the possibilty became more believeable. That is why I always said if I bred it and for any amount of generations that I actually did the breeding on them. You could take it to the bank but beyond that it is anyones guess what they added to the mix. I'am sure you know as I do some of the players back then that one had to be a mind reader to figure out just what one was really getting if one purchased something off them. Now that I got you reading this maybe you could answer a question. As many know Mullins stated his version of the OFRN Yet Brown did also and worte the book the history of the APBT. Then we have Stattons version,now when three different versions are being belted out something is wrong somewhere in Demark per say. It sure gets confuseing,as some of the old timers that I knew in early seventies has information that went against the grain.And most of these fellows were from the old country and in their seventies and early eighties then.The only thing they would say was red with a rednose was the irish staffords or whatever they called them at the time. But the ones I seen also had the blacknose. I guess what I'am trying to ask you in your opion who would you take as telling the truth if there is one. These old timers talked about bloodline from the old country or I should say countries as they also included SCOTTLAND AND ENGLAND AND OF COURSE IRELAND and spoke of them as if they were top secret.They would tell me that the pedigrees should have been retained in the same fashion as in those countries mentioned. I cannot say this is fact but they spoke of Lightner stock as being the oldest bloodline as according to them it went back as far as the late 1700's and early 1800's and it was guarded then as others did the same. I agree with you on maneaters being in everyline for reasons that I believe were done by the wanabees. Then people wonder why they appear. But in the case of some such as that Geronimo 11 it was a well known fact that it was or had to be in the gene pool. some will argue about that but there were just way to many that came out with that tempermeant.I find it hard to belief that anyone other then someone that bred the dogs themselfs can say that their one hundered percent sure the blood is bred that way. I mean if the lines from the old country were kept as if top secret and not let out how in the world could someone claim to know the truth about every dog bred. I seen every colored nose on a dog and it did not make them great or bad. I want to say that is some web site you have there it sure does not leave much out. Your line has got to be close to the mid forties or close to fifty years old by now. I enjoy reading pedigrees of the past as one could see how things really got bent out of shape. Its funny that the so called big players wanted nothing to do with rednose dogs but magoo jr and scarlet and red rustler and several more had them scratching heads. Why in the world one thinks a color of a dogs nose determines what the dog will be in its life time is beyound me.I remember seeing an old Ruffian Blue Staff that was fantastic and beyond belief and yet although nobody wanted any part of him they would bash the heck out of him. Time sure is running fast nowadays but memories save the day I guess if we all could have perdicted the future what a waste of time we could have saved. By the way the otto otto dogs or dogs down from him did they have red mange as he had after awhile the rep of passing it on to others but the only reason I could see that was happening was they inbred him so tight that if he was bred any tighter they would have to be freaks produced. Have you heard of a fellow that has art blood so tight that the offspring were inbred so bad that they actually came out with an extra leg and toes and yet the fellow kept them as he claimed to have the tightest art blood around. What some would do just to claim something as stupid as that is beyond me. If you can let me know which of the professers of the rednose class you think has it right or even close. >>I remember the >>conversations with Wilder with him asking me how could >>I get so many solid red dogs in one litter.He stated >>that if he could get one pup that was solid red out of >>even three litters he was doing good.He also said that >>when people called and come by his old place the first >>thing they asked was is there any solid red noses in >>the litter. > >THANKS BILL. Glad someone FINALLY told the truth about >Jake and his dogs! Somewhere people got the >misconception all his dogs were red/red nose. They >WEREN'T! >Many of his dogs had white on them like Geronimo. >So many wonder why mine, if they are OFRN, aren't also >all red/red nose. BECAUSE THE OFRN WAS NEVER "ALL" RED! >People were lead to believe this was a sign of purity, >it WASN'T! >I've explained why I thought Creed dogs were OFRN >stock because of tracing back through Bruce's Jerry >and the Fly of Panama breeding. But people claimed >because of the white marking my dogs get from time to >time they weren't pure OFRN. >THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "PURE" OFRN! NEVER WAS! >ALL red nose dogs have black nose somewhere in their >pedigree, some just closer up in the pedigree then >others! >Hell I believe Sarona dogs were OFRN because of the >heavy amount of Clouse in them. Clouse females were >based off Skagg's Hemphill blood with either Tice/I.D. >Cole OFRN blood from Ch. Butcher Boy or from Clouse's >Stabber heavy in Corvino blood. Sure Mary added a >little black nose here and there but what she was >trying to do is add a bit more power because she was >trying to keep getting winners! > >>But like all area's of the country some dogs become >>well known,magoo,inferno.morgans red bear,maybe one if >>not the most famous dogs around mid central Florida >>that went by the name of Smith's OTTO OTTO,this dog >>was the number one stud around these parts.Also one if >>not the best all around dogs even though his color was >>not like his sire and dam as he was black brindle and >>named DRACULA or by his owner name with drac attached >>to it.He was a great dog.And to leave out the dog that >>made sorona a gifted line down here SORONA KE-LO OR >>CAYENNE PEPPER MAGOO'S GRAND SIRE. > >I owned dogs from Otto. >Off him, all the way down to Gr. Ch. Solution. >Most of this blood was from Red Devil bloodline >crossed with Eli. A lot from Devine, Wise, Reddick, >etc. >Some was pretty good, some not so good. > >I also agree with you about ill-tempered dogs. >I think any line of dogs can produce it. >Is it congenial fault? Who knows? >Environment? Maybe. >Whatever the reasons, it happens and it happens in ALL >breeds of dogs! [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
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