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Bad Experiences With Cross Creek Manor and WWASP
Feel Free To Share Your Experiences
DISCLAMIER-The above image is in no way a threat to WWASP or CCM. I do not plan on melting the earth nor do I plan on burning down CCM. It is an artistic expression and a way for me to safely deal with my anger-DISCLAIMER

Subject: My Personal Experience at Cross Creek MAnor


Author:
Eklipsa
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Date Posted: 03:53:58 12/02/01 Sun

I was reluctant to post my story about Cross Creek Manor due to the pain it would rehash but I have come to realize that although it may cause some pain to me it will help prevent the pain of others. First let me give you some background on myself. I come from a single parent home and was raised in my grandmother and grandfather's home. My father was an alcoholic and abusive to my mom so she moved back in with my granny when I was only about 6 months old and my brother was about two and a half. We all lived together until I was about ten or eleven. This is when my mom met my now stepfather. At first they just dated but after awhile they made plans to move in together. Of course my mother asked me to go with her but I would not hear of it. I had lived in the same town for almost all my life and I was shy and not so ready to pick everything up and start all over with a new school, friends etc. I guess you can say this was about the time I started acting out. I smoked my first cigarette at the age of about 12, marijuana at the age of 12 or 13. I also started drinking beer around this age. I picked the wrong people to hangout with, stayed out late, and my grades started dropping. At the age of 14 I was raped and after that I started snorting cocaine. Well to make a long story short my behavior became progressively worse until my mom had me admitted to a psychiatric hospital for adolescents. After leaving there I attended a drug recovery outpatient program, NA, AA, and went to see both a psychiatrist and psychologist regularly. I stayed clean for about 6 months and my behavior was back to it's good self. Then I relapsed and started drinking and smoking weed again- although I have not to this day touched cocaine again. I started running away again for days at a time and basically not caring what my mom had to say. I didn't even care about myself. This continued -it would be on and off if can understand what I mean-some weeks I was good others were bad- until late August of 1998. I had came home from work after being out for a few days. I was exhausted and depressed. I had a history of depression and had recently been diagnosed with ADD. All I wanted to do was sleep. In fact I slept for almost two days straight. I was awakened by a knock at the door. To my surprise there were 2 cops outside. My mom let them in and they told me to get dressed because they needed to talk to me. They asked me why I wanted to kill myself. Apparently my mom was at her rope's end and told them that I was threatening to kill myself because it was the only way she was going to be able to get me help. I told them that I wasn't planning on killing myself but they didn't believe me. They handcuffed me and took me to the hospital. From there I was sent to another adolescent psychiatric hospital. I was there for about three days when the psychiatrist said that there was no reason for me to be there anymore (I think my mental health coverage had run out) My mom came to pick me up- I knew something was up because my step dad was with her. At that time I really didn't like him and my mom knew that so she usually didn't bring him places to come get me unless I was in trouble. She walked me out to the car and the whole time she was holding my hand and hugging me and telling me how much she love me. We got to where her car was parked in the parking lot and 2 ladies (might I add the 2 butchiest and scary ladies I have seen in my life) grabbed me and threw me in their car. My mom was crying and so was I. I had no idea what was going on. They drove off and I kept asking them where they were taking me and at first they wouldn't answer. Then finally when we got to the airport they told me that they were taking me to some cool private school where I would have lots of fun and make new friends. I don't know why I believed them. I guess it was because at the point I was at I really didn't think moving away would be so bad. In my head I pictured a school that had a dorm and phones and a t.v. and normal things like that. In know way did I know what was coming to me. We got on the plane. I was horrified because it was my first time flying. We landed and drove the long distance to La Verkin from Las Vegas.
That was the day my life changed for the worse. I arrived at about 4:00 am in the morning. I walked in the big white doors of the manor. Immediately they were slammed shut behind me and I was asked if I knew where I was. I said no and was told "You are at a long term drug rehabilitation facility." I freaked out and asked her if I could call my mother. To that I got the reply "No you cannot. You are here because your mother doesn't want anything to do with you." I thought It was all a bad dream I actually pinched myself to try and wake up-but to no avail- it was all HORRIBLY REAL!!!! I was stripped searched, my clothes were taken away and I was given some second hand dirty T-shirt and sweat pants to sleep in. I was forced to sleep on a mattress on the floor for days. I was woken up at around 7am and was surrounded by robot looking girls running around to get ready on time. And that was just the beginning.
If I could remember everyday and every bad thing that happened I would tell you but I don’t. Some of the things I do remember are as follows:
-Every doorway I crossed I was made to ask May I cross
-I was watched going to the bathroom, taking showers, sleeping-everything I did I was under constant surveillance
-I was told daily that I was a f**kup, a slut, a homewrecker, that my mom didn't want me and that I would never change.
-When I admitted in therapy that I was raped I was made to feel that it was my fault because of my behavior.
-In what they called Physical Education I was forced to run around the yard many times. I wasn't not allowed to stop-even though my lungs were shot from smoking and I had borderline asthma- or I would receive a cat (which is a punishment where you have to sit and listen to tapes for hours on end until you got enough questions right to equal the amount of points of the cat. Each tape was half an hour long with a possibility of receiving 15 points- while cats started at if I remember correctly 50 points (I could be mistaken on that exact number).
-I was forced to be on silence for a period of about three weeks.
-"School" was not taught by teachers. I was given a textbook for each subject and answered the questions for each chapter and then given a test on each chapter.
-When I was put in the program I was 1 class away from getting a Regents diploma. I begged to be able to take a regents course so I could get the diploma I had worked so hard for 4 years but they didn't allow me to and I had to take a regular diploma.
- I got sick one night with a fever and I was throwing up. I was made to sleep with 3 heavy blankets. They said I needed to "sweat the fever out". I was crying because it was too hot under the blankets and I tried to take them off but I was threatened with a Cat for manipulation and not obeying staff orders. The next morning I was still forced to clean the bathroom (my every morning chore)
- I was given sleeping pills that made me feel horrible
- I was outside and this girl was trying to teach me how to do a cartwheel and I fell and hurt my shoulder. I was told it was my fault. I complained about the pain and they wouldn't take me to the doctor for about 4 days. It turned out that I had ripped a muscle in my shoulder and needed a sling.
- I was not allowed to write my mom for months and it took about 6 months to talk to her on speakerphone wit the therapist right there butting in.
- I had gotten a planters wart on the bottom of my foot from the dirty floors there and after complaining for about a month they took me to the doctor. He did laser surgery/removal of it and told me not to walk on it for a week. When I got back they would not allow me to stay in the sick room for more than a day. They said I was manipulating even when I walked on it and it started gushing blood.
- For about the whole time I was there I had an impacted wisdom tooth. Everyday it hurt. Sometimes it was so bad that I couldn't chew. They refused to bring me to have it removed and when I couldn't eat because of it they accused me of having an eating disorder and I got in trouble.
- There was an outbreak of scabies at Cross Creek Manor. When I told a girl who had it to stay away from me I was told that I was being "non-working" and I got in trouble. I just didn't want scabies!!!!
- When I decided to contact my biological father because I thought it might help me in my recovery I was told that I was trying to use him as a "back-door for my problems" When my mom told them it was alright for him to contact me through letters-he started sending me somethings that I was allowed to have (shampoo hairbrushes stationary flowers-stuff like that) they told him that he was spoiling me and that he couldn't contact me anymore.
- I was forced to wear only socks or thin slippers in the snow and rain.
- Every morning I was forced to show a staff member my underwear and bra to prove I was only wearing 1 of each. Somehow they considered that run plans. Personally I think they got off on it.
- When my therapist had said to me that my mom said that I was never allowed back in her house (which I know now my mom never said) I cursed about my mom and was made to right home a nasty letter cursing out my mom and not explaining why.

There are so many other things that happened. They are too numerous to list. I just hope that parents will think twice about sending their children to Cross Creek Manor, WWASP programs or any other place where they treat teens like crap. I know my mom would not have sent me there if she knew what it was like.

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Author:
Lisa
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Date Posted: 00:42:44 02/06/02 Wed

Hello! Thank you for sharing your story, it must have been very painful for you to recount. I am looking for my cousin who went into Cross Creek two years ago at 16. She is now 18 and a half and her parents are keeping here out there against her will. We have been trying to find her but all correspondence goes through Bob Lichfield. Can you please help me? please email me and I will tell you who it is that I am looking for, you may know of her or be able to help me in some other way.
Thanks so much!

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Author:
jenna Hadaway
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Date Posted: 21:19:15 11/14/02 Thu

She is 18 and she is there against her will? They can't do that unless she is court ordered. I went there from summer of 98 to 2000. Maybe i know her e-mail me
Jenna

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: My Personal Experience at Cross Creek MAnor


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Erica
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Date Posted: 15:20:25 11/24/02 Sun

whoa hey jenna remember me? erica? if youre who i think you are we were both in norms group hehe...well hey email me sometime we can catch up on stuff

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: My Personal Experience at Cross Creek MAnor


Author:
Athena Yancey (Whoa!)
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Date Posted: 22:01:13 10/11/07 Thu

Erika, if im not mistaken we were in K-group together with Thane and in Norms group, me and Lauren were really close but you helped me alot in the early days. contact if possible!

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Author:
courtney (wow)
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Date Posted: 16:46:48 04/24/12 Tue

I was brought to ccm december 99 and came home june 2000. Looking ro get in touch with others that were there with me. Athena if you hapoen to see this I remenber you and lauren very well. you guys sid my intake and I was in k-group with you untill you were transferred to st. geroge.. it would be wonderfull to talk with you and any othwrs I was there with.. to parents thinking of sending your children here or have children there.. don't send thwm and bring the onthera home!!""

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: My Personal Experience at Cross Creek MAnor


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Tara
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Date Posted: 22:17:47 09/05/12 Wed

Hi guys I was n Darrel's group and there when Athena stab a girl. U try to forget cc most painful time n my life

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: My Personal Experience at Cross Creek MAnor


Author:
Joan Waits
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Date Posted: 00:08:25 06/06/04 Sun

Hi. I had a daughter there by the name of Krista. Do you remember her at all? She was in "C" group.

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Ashley
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Date Posted: 14:06:34 11/21/04 Sun

I remember Krista She was gr8. How is she?

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Drea
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Date Posted: 13:16:48 04/01/08 Tue

I remember your daughter Krista. I was a staff there. haow is she doing?

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Author:
fuk ccm
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Date Posted: 04:12:19 12/19/14 Fri

Fuk that place..i hope it burns n hell

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Author:
info_boany@yahoo.com (info_boany@yahoo.com)
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Date Posted: 05:03:05 07/18/14 Fri

info_boany@yahoo.com

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[> [> Subject: Re: My Personal Experience at Cross Creek Manor


Author:
Michelle.
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Date Posted: 02:25:32 04/08/03 Tue

Hello everyone,

I spent some time in these programs. I was first at Brightway for intake, evaluation, etc. then was moved to Cross Creek Manor for the majority of my time in Utah. I was 16 years old then. It was quite awhile ago (1994) and now I'm 25. I am a student at New York University and have decided that it is time for someone to compile a factual research paper on Cross Creek, WWASP, and specialty boarding schools in general. I've been doing lots of research online and came across these boards. I'd love it if anyone -- especially former attendees, parents, etc, could let me know anything specific you feel comfortable sharing in terms of your personal experieneces. I am also wondering if anyone would be interested/willing to do an online interview with me or take a survey about your time in the programs.

I'm doing my best to start going at my research from an objective angle, but do have my own experiences to share and will do so with anyone that contacts me. (if you are interested) I just want to get facts and put forth an accurate picture of what these places are about, what goes on, etc.

I'll keep any sources confidential and total discretion is assured.

Also -- here is one more question:

I want to gain access to the Cross Creek Programs. I'd like to get inside and take a tour, etc. I am fairly certain no one is going to let me in for this, but I figure it's worth a shot to ask. I'm ready and willing to head to LaVerkin if the opportunity presents itself. If anyone has any ideas as to the best way to go about this, gain access, etc. I'd appreciate it.

Thanks for reading and hope to hear from some of you soon.

Best,

Michelle.

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Author:
sm
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Date Posted: 02:16:45 06/10/03 Tue

I went back to CCM and Ron gave me a tour. I even got to go to a group and a seminar. Just call them and go

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Author:
cindy
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Date Posted: 14:15:01 09/19/04 Sun

THEY,,,,allowed you in to enjoy another one of THIER "Brainwashing Seminars". I see you haven't really seen the truth about WWASP yet. Wake up that "Magical Child" before it's too late! Try to get into thier facility unannouced!! And TO ALL PARENTS, Cross Creek Manor IS NOT an accredited high school. Call the Board of Education yourselves!! Your child WILL NOT come out with a Dipolma, only with a true form of "Brainwashing"! The cap and gown stuff on the Cross Creek website is for graduates achieving Level 6,...with only hearing about 30% even do that! Wake up Parents, please,..I know it's very tough, first hand,..there are many other good schools for your kids. You will find them. I know it's difficult since the websites all link to WWASP! Just remember READ THE STUFF ON THE WEB!! DO YOUR RESEARCH!! What you find against WWASP is all true!! DON'T BE "TALKED INTO" the "Program"!!!!!

A Devestated Parent

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Author:
past employee
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Date Posted: 20:01:52 11/16/04 Tue

I have to concur with all of that. I was a counselor (LCSW) for nearly a year in 1995, and had to leave due to ethical reasons. I've never seen such a more pathetic organization

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RM
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Date Posted: 14:08:11 02/07/07 Wed

You have been manipulated to.

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Author:
heather dorling
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Date Posted: 20:01:46 01/04/14 Sat

My name is heather dorling.i was in ccm for bout three yrs.i was there when u worked there.do u remember me??i hated it there so much.it was an awful experience for me.im trying to find ppl i was in there with.bc they were my sisters.i never had much in the way of family.but some of those girls i loved like sisters and never forgot.ive never had friends since then that i felt such a sisterhood with.

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Amanda Aldershof
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Date Posted: 02:02:54 07/24/14 Thu

Hi Heather

I don't know if I was there with you my name is Amanda Aldershof. To be honest I can't even remember the year I was there I think maybe 94. That 6 months of my life was a blur. I am pretty sure I was in K group with Daryl ??? I have never really talked about what I went through when I was their I have blocked a lot of it out. I just pray they get shut down and parents stop sending there kids to that hell hole. Does anyone remember Holly the staff she was a red head?

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Author:
Katy Morgan/Diquattro (searching)
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Date Posted: 22:23:07 04/02/15 Thu

I was at Cross Creek in 1997 for 1 year, in C Group. I had already graduated from high school, and was living on my own, had a full time job for 2 years when I was kidnapped. My Mother was convinced to get a court order to keep me in the program ("as I would surely die, if I left the Program". This was done illegally in the state of CA,,I was soposed to be at the hearing. But the program wouldn't let me attend a court hearing as It was too risky. I only say that because people might know who I am. My time at Cross Creek was and it still the most damaging, thing a person can go through. No other events in my life has or had ever been so tramatic. And I've been through some really bad shit (shit that would be considered very tramatic in its self). People would find it hard to believe that any state or government run facility would have been a cake walk compaired to these evil places. You have rights in other facilities, but not with the WWASAP programs. Pleases if anyone wants info, or would like an account of my time at Cross Creek and the abuse/neglect that I experianced feel free to contact me. I want to share my stoy, it's a bit different then what many experianced as had completed school before I ever went to the program. And I was there after I was 18, some tge things I for ed to do while everyone else was at "school" is unimaginable. I am 35, Married for 15 years and have 3 children of my own now. But I am still trying to recover or move on from the damage this place has caused me. I now have sever Nerilogical damage to my nervous system, and my life is forever changed. I will say one thing for anyone who was ever hurt by David Gilcrest, or Ron Garret, in the Focus Seminar our who group was told that we weren't "really working", and we were going to get thrown out and go back down to level 1, for not being "real/non-working". I was so mad,(I still have never felt that level of anger like I did in that moment) I tackled them, I took them both down to the ground and wouldn't stop hitting them. It took 3 staff members to get me off of them. In my mind if I was going down I would go down on my terms. Well that didn't happen David said That it was the most real thing someone had done in A long time. I don't think he could ever comprehend how real it really was. Ron never treated me the same he actually feared me in a way. And David could never put a "label" on me after that day. I Still remember the smell of blood/urine in that dirty carpeted basement, we would be locked in for 3-5 days at a time. my name is Katy Morgan, and I am a survivor of Cross Creek........

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Author:
Rose
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Date Posted: 16:49:31 11/05/14 Wed

Hi - I went to CC in 1995 and would love to connect with girls who went there at this time. I was in G group with Ron. I ran away twice from there and got away for awhile... I was known for that and why I mention it as someone may remember me from my run.

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Shannon Mountain
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Date Posted: 00:20:52 05/10/16 Tue

No idea why I haven't done this sooner. Duh. Can't believe we're almost 40. Can't believe I still fear this place. My Cross Creek experience was unbelievable. No really. A life changing experience, in a state with no child laws, governed by Morman insanity, at the age of 16... Did I mention my previous drug problems? Ya those didn't help when I found myself in a laverkin Utah basement, no windows, no shoes, no identity. Surprised I got out alive!
So... Let's see... It's been 20 years? No. Oh Jeeze has it really?
I Believe I was there 2004-2006, ish. I watched the OJ Simpson car chase live on those wheeled in box tv's, upstairs in a classroom with no windows... While mastering the art of crochet blanket weaving.
Facebook has kept me coming nnected to my closest friends through this crazy time. Lia and Melony, love your guts. Proud of you little mamas.
But there were other friends who made an impact. Who did I get caught smoking with? Who had to write a 5,000 word essay in crayon? Who earned enough "points" to live at the hotel just out of town.
Mountain _ Shannon at yahoo.com

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Alyssa
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Date Posted: 17:07:49 05/13/16 Fri

I remember your run...we all got out on lock down but we didn't care cos we hoped you got away! K group. Alyssa 94-95

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Author:
Shannon King (King)
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Date Posted: 06:45:56 03/03/17 Fri

Hi Heather. Do you remember me? My name is Shannon King and i was there about 1.5 yrs. I was badly abused the whole time i was there. How have you been doing in life?

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Sarah Ahlgren
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Date Posted: 03:31:01 01/01/18 Mon

Shannon I remember you very clearly. You may not remember me, as I was only there 6 months from 6/94 to 12/94. I'm from Seattle. You had short blonde hair, I think. I remember how much abuse you took from the staff over your sexual orientation. I'll never forget that. They tormented you solely for being gay. I'm so sorry you had to endure that.

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Nuphar
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Date Posted: 10:45:17 02/09/19 Sat

Sarah was your last name Jessup before? I was there from 2/24-10/94.

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Julie
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Date Posted: 13:18:07 05/27/17 Sat

Heather and Shannon, I remember you both. I was there in 94. How have y'all been. My last name was O'brien.

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Author:
p
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Date Posted: 21:42:40 11/21/05 Mon

help me get in before it is to late...she has only been there 3 weeks ..i need someones help ..who knows the place...write me back.please!!!

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SHANNON
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Date Posted: 17:07:57 02/04/06 Sat

I THOUGHT BRIGHTWAY (ISNT CROSS CREEK AND BRIGHTWAY ONE IN THE SAME?)WAS SHUT DOWN? I WAS THERE YEARS AGO. IT WAS SO TRAMATIC I BARELY REMEMBER IT. E-MAIL ME, IF THERE IS ANYTHING I CAN DO.

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kaitie
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Date Posted: 22:20:25 02/18/06 Sat

please e-mail me my friend michelle is there and i want to know everything about the place and if she will come back brain washed she has been for a 1 1/2 and her mom claims that she is a mentor for students that just came there.

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Jacqueline Russi Hattje
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Date Posted: 00:36:43 10/14/15 Wed

I was at Cross Creek in 1992! It was a really bad experience! I've kept in touch with a very few that I could find! One girl was never ok after this place

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Christine Jorajuria
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Date Posted: 22:04:20 04/23/16 Sat

I was in CCM in 1992 entered in November leaving April 1993. Horrible place I'm thankful I didn't have such horrible experiences as others just a few not so great ones. I'm thankful my brother did research on the place and got me out in time.

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Tiffany (Sad)
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Date Posted: 06:30:47 02/25/12 Sat

I wish more was being done to close cross creek and that i could be apart of it

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Kymberly (East)
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Date Posted: 23:09:05 11/26/16 Sat

Hey, I am trying to connect with parents of kids they sent to CCM or any program along those lines. I saw you signed "Devasated parent." Are you willing to email me at kymberlyeast@gmail.com or FB me?My name is Kymberly East. I really need to meet people who are trying to deal with the disastrous decision.

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Sarah
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Date Posted: 02:34:06 07/07/03 Mon

Hey, I live out here in AZ. It wouldn't be too hard for me to get some information about CC in UT. I'd love to get all these places shut down. Doesn't hurt to start out small with something more grassroots, then work our way up. Email me if you're interested: gaiaearthmother@hotmail.com

-- Sarah

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Josh
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Date Posted: 15:10:14 03/22/06 Wed

I was in cross creek from march 2002 until february 2003 and it was hell, brainwash and suffering. Some staff where nice, while others got turned on watchng us suffer.

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Hope
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Date Posted: 02:23:18 01/28/04 Wed

Michelle, if my memory serves me right I believe I was at cross creek with you during the year 1994. You may have even been in one of my groups. Our teacher was Ms. Woosley. I hung out with gabrielle and Jennifer R. Some other girls that might ring a bell tiffany sollee, crystal from alaska, another michelle from so cal. Anyways I'm now 25, happy, living in colorado, trying to start a family. Yet I still do think about all the horrible things that happened in that place, and for some odd reason tonight I decided to see if i could find any information online. Unfortanetly it looks as though the program, and im sure many others, have expanded....brainwashing more and more kids and parents. Anyways i commend your effort to collect a real overview of this place and others like it as its long overdue. If you have any questions feel free to email me. HOPE

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Date Posted: 03:58:02 04/29/04 Thu

Wow, I am not sure where to start. I just found this web site tonight and am glad I have. Well I am an alum of Cross Creek Manor. My name is Meagan Tinney and I was "escorted" to Cross Creek in 1995. Of course I went to Brightway first before it shut down. The experience I had at Cross Creek was both abusive and torturous. I believe I would have been seriously damaged had it not been for the relationships I made with the other girls there. I was in H group and my therapist while I was there was Jeff. I was at Cross Creek for 10 months. I was sent there for running away, and doing drugs. I had at that time a turbulent relationship with my father who was physically abusive. Cross Creek was a shock. I quickly did what I was told, because I saw what happend to the girls who didn't fall into line.
After I finally got out of that place I was very nervous. I wasn't used to being by myself and couldn't be outside without someone with me, else I felt like I was doing something wrong. I had been institutionalized. I had more emotional problems leaving Cross Creek than I ever did before. Since there wasn't any family therapy I had gone home to the same environment I had left, except I felt I couldn't stand up for myself. About six months after being home I began shooting up heroin. I abused this drug for close to 2 years before trying to get sober. It took another year to accomplish that. I was lucky to finally get some healthy therapy and thats when I really realized the damage that was done to me when I was there. I have done alot of work but still carry the scars from my time there.
I would urge any parent to never send their child to Cross Creek. I am saddend that this place is still running and seems to have grown, I doubt it's any better than when I was there. The staff was untrained and uneducated to work in that type of environment. I have found out that my old therapist molested a girl in my group shortly after I left. I remember he always blurred the lines of our relationship, but luckily he didn't cross those lines with me. Not to mention the diet, I gained 60lbs from the unhealthy food, and I should now I worked in the kitchen with Andy. Bless his heart he did the best he could with the budjet they gave him. Most of the staff had control issues and enjoyed torturing the kids.
I hope to get in contact with anyone who was at Cross Creek in 1995-1996, specially in H group. I would also like to get in contact with anyone who would like to chat about there experience. I will definately monitor this website now that I know it exists. I don't feel so alone anymore. Thanks Meagan

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Date Posted: 23:30:25 06/30/04 Wed

Considering sending my daughter here......reading your report and also many who said it helped. Why do you think it did not work for you, and what do you think would have helped. what do you mean by torture?
Thanks

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Shannon Fuller
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Date Posted: 17:15:13 02/04/06 Sat

I WAS THERE, I WANT TO SAY I WAS IN F GROUP BUT I WAS HALF BLACK AND HALF WHITE. I THINK I MAY HAVE BEEN THE ONLY BI-RACIAL THERE PLEASE EMAIL ME

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Date Posted: 14:21:20 05/17/07 Thu

I remember you.

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Date Posted: 11:55:40 02/05/06 Sun

DO YOU REMEMBER ME SHANNON FULLER I WAS IN F GROUP HOWEVER I WAS THER THE SAME TIME AS YOU BRIGHTWAY THEN THE MANOR I AM HALF BLACK AND HALF WHITE.

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Date Posted: 23:44:04 07/17/12 Tue

If you are who I am thinking, I was in with you too. were you in around 1995?

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Date Posted: 18:35:54 09/13/12 Thu

I went to Brightway then CCM from january 1995 until sept 1995. I do not remember what group I was in. I never made it past level one and I was on staff buddy and in isolation pretty much the whole time. I do remember a few people, not names though. :) I definitely remember Richard Simmons and sweating to the oldies. Even now 17 years later!!

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Date Posted: 15:23:35 01/05/14 Sun

Hello i was at ccm at the same time as you im also trying to find others who were there,ppl who were like sisters to me i was in D group before and after brian became the therapist c group used to sing,we are c group mighty mighty c group everywhere we go ppl wana kno who we are so we tell them...it still rings in my ears i had a close friend named Sunny who was in c group....my name is Heather Dorling i bucked the system most of the time i was there,i was the one who tried to stab drew the staff member i was there when ron came he used to use me to talk to other girls who were angry in iso....anybody remember me?????im 35 now and the only thing ccm did for me with all the psychological mind f***s is prepare me for my kidnapping when i turned 18...i was brainwashed and raped and tortured for four months by a sadist,but i already had a ton of practice withstanding profound mind f***s,and was supposed to die but escaped nowi have full blown PTSD...im on disability bc i cant function i never learned how to in the real world i grew up in mental hospitals and institutions..the effects are still very much there,ive learned it does not matter how much time has passed.thank u to whomever made this site ive never been able to tell my story its hard to type,as i cannot stop crying..

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Date Posted: 14:33:59 04/22/14 Tue


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Date Posted: 10:57:48 02/09/19 Sat

Heather I think I remember you. You were younger than me and had light hair? I think. Do you remember me?

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Date Posted: 17:36:23 05/03/04 Mon

Woah, I just found this website too, I've been trying to find people from Cross Creek but those jerks always made it so impossible to stay in contact with anyone. Hey Meagan, I was in there 95-96 too, but in C-group. I actually think I had a few friends in H-group (I think it was H group) Jennifer and Myriah Higgens. Were they in your group? I know what you mena about the place being pyschotic though. I'll check back on this site often, let me know if you know those girls.

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Date Posted: 16:09:13 05/04/04 Tue

I remember them! You too!

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sydney tai (wahlstrom)
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Date Posted: 21:20:08 05/04/04 Tue

what group were you in? and where/how are you doing now?

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Date Posted: 12:19:52 05/06/04 Thu

I split to Transition right when the groups split to letters and rearranged, I think A, but maybe C. right b4 I left fo rSt. George, Riita, Uncle Ron, and one of the therapists all ran the group at different times. I came back and worked with AA grp after I left. Had Norm and Ron June when I was in St George
Lovin life right now! BUSYBUSYBUSY, but lovin it. Married in '01, Handsome 2 year old boy named Kai, awesome job. Lovin life.
8+ years clean!

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sydney tai (wahlstrom)
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Date Posted: 15:26:24 05/07/04 Fri

I went to the transition place too, i was only there for about 1 1/2 before i was done with the program, I think it was called the Ancestor Inn, or something like that. Your "since then" story sounds uncannily like mine. I too have 8 1/2 years clean, and got married in 2002, no babies yet though! Congratulations on yours! Where do you live? I'm over hear on the West Coast, San Jose CA. Even wierder, Ron June was my therapist too! I was so lucky to have him. Post back, and by the way, do you know of any boards that have a lot of old Cross Creek alumns (or alumni-whatever the word)?

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Date Posted: 14:03:50 06/29/04 Tue

Hey! I was reading your message and reconized the name jennifer Higgins. I was there with her. In fact she also was at Sunrise Beach with me. Do you talk to her? Write back Id love to talk to you about anyone else you might know! I was at Cross Creek from March 95 until October 95 and then at Sunrise Beach From Oct 95 until April 96. My name is Sandra and I was a high phase girl at sunrise and in F group at CrossCreek.

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Date Posted: 19:35:46 07/04/04 Sun

Sandra, I was in F group with you. You're from the San Diego area, right? Our therapist was Hal.

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Date Posted: 17:16:44 02/04/06 Sat

I WAS IN F GROUP ALSO!!!!!!!!!

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Date Posted: 14:07:00 06/29/04 Tue

Hey! I was reading your message and reconized the name jennifer Higgins. I was there with her. In fact she also was at Sunrise Beach with me. Do you talk to her? Write back Id love to talk to you about anyone else you might know! I was at Cross Creek from March 95 until October 95 and then at Sunrise Beach From Oct 95 until April 96. My name is Sandra and I was a high phase girl at sunrise and in F group at CrossCreek

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Date Posted: 17:08:44 09/30/04 Thu

Sounds like you had a positive experience to me. Congrats on all the clean time and your family. My son escaped today. We are working to find him as we speak.

Scott

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Date Posted: 16:36:30 10/21/04 Thu

i have a friend who is at cross creek manor right now...he went there about a month ago and wants nothing to do with it and wont follow any rules.
will this get better?

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Date Posted: 01:20:15 03/30/05 Wed

Whos your friend? I just got out as of 3-29-05

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Date Posted: 08:37:26 06/20/05 Mon

I am considering sending my 14 year daughter to Spring Creek Lodge. I'm not sure what the answer is, I'm getting so many conflicting reports.

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Date Posted: 22:01:36 02/18/06 Sat


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Date Posted: 22:04:07 02/18/06 Sat

your daughter will probilly come back worse and tromotised
try to find a good canceler for professional help and there are usually parenting classes in the erea

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Date Posted: 21:49:55 02/18/06 Sat

my friend is there right now and i want to how it is there?

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kaitie
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Date Posted: 21:51:59 02/18/06 Sat

her name is michelle bailey

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kaitie
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Date Posted: 22:14:19 02/18/06 Sat

hey rob please e-mail me i need to know if that place will brain wash my friend or if they are bad

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Date Posted: 10:58:36 09/10/05 Sat

My name is Ben I worked at transition when it opened it was one of the greatest experiences of my life , I think all who were there would agree that we all had fun learning how to cook and all the activities we went on. That was one of the best places for kids i have ever seen. Cross Creek did that right at least.

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Date Posted: 23:32:28 05/23/11 Mon

Hey Ben I think this is you! You hit a line drive to me when I was pitching in Soft Ball! I had a great time at Cross Creek. It saved my life and I think it was very helpful. I mena it sucked being there but I was a brat and I basically got told that when I went. If nothing else it opened many girls eyes!

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Date Posted: 11:04:53 09/10/05 Sat

My name is Ben I worked at transition when it opened it was one of the greatest experiences of my life , I think all who were there would agree that we all had fun learning how to cook and all the activities we went on. That was one of the best places for kids i have ever seen. Cross Creek did that right at least.

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Date Posted: 08:33:25 11/23/05 Wed

ben, They kids say different. How can you sleep at night? were you a program grad? or a local who needs money? Did you know there was just a press confrence in Washington on Capital Hill, where there was a number of Mental Health professionals. They were talking about the abuse that goes on in these so called treatment facilities. What qualifacations do you have to work with troubled teens? How do you know it is good for them? are you a Doctor? What about their education? Dont you think they have a right to be in school? not just given a book? Did you ever hand out punishment? was it isolation? Do you allow them to use the restroom when ever they need? when do they get to see/talk to their parents? HOW DARE YOU SAY IT IS GOOD FOR THEM.

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Date Posted: 01:38:36 05/24/04 Mon

Loah, stop lying too these people. You know your life sucks and you are a avid drug abuser.

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Loah
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Date Posted: 11:14:13 05/24/04 Mon

Haha...Bruce has jokes....
funny buster~~~at least I'm not struggling with my sexual orientation.....you bahkla mofakra
knobbbypoo

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bruce
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Date Posted: 11:24:18 05/24/04 Mon

sexual orientation? lmao, are you still mad about the fact that I wont sleep with you even when I am drunk and on drugs?

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Date Posted: 11:42:33 05/24/04 Mon

dont kid yourself lil man.......
just cause you thought "hell no not on your best day and my worst" meant "daddy I want you" doesn't make it fact....
if that lets you sleep better at night, keep the dream alive then.

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Date Posted: 12:07:19 05/24/04 Mon

Lil man (looks side to side) unless you are talking to my pinkie finger the only thing small is that lil piece of skin you call a ball sack between your legs. See where you fucked up is trying to categorize me into that section of dudes who kiss your feet cause you is a woman. Ha ha I aint them so you can take that shit somewhere else. So why dont you go in the kitchen and make some dinner for your family before your husband starts whoopin ya ass for smokin all his crack rock.

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Date Posted: 13:01:46 05/24/04 Mon

you must have lost your damn mind.
ill talk to your punkass privately.

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bruce
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Date Posted: 14:35:36 05/24/04 Mon

Im just playin loah, calm down, you know I just love fuckin with you. Come give daddy a hug.

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Loah
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Date Posted: 12:44:36 05/26/04 Wed

forget the hug. I did go get you a gift. It's a big fat stick just for you to sit on.
Hope you like it.

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Date Posted: 13:41:08 10/26/04 Tue

I don't remember a Jennifer or Myriah Higgins. The people I remember are Pauline, Lia Pecora, Natalia, Allissa Eggabret, Andy, Robin, Shannon, the list goes on but these girls I remember very well. It would be nice to get in touch with someone from H-group that was there between 94-96. Anyway my heart goes out to all the Cross Creek survivors as well as those poor souls still being held at Cross Creek. I encourage all of you who feel this was a horrible experience and are not brain washed by the program to write their state representatives urging an investigation. There is power in numbers, and this bussiness (and that is all it is) NEEDS to be shut down and Bob litchfield along with David Gilcrest need to be thrown in Jail. Although when I think about it jail is to good for them. Keep up the fight. Meagan

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Date Posted: 04:28:24 09/25/14 Thu

I was there in 95/96 in G GROUP but got send to that hellhole detox place first... I too was picked up by strange guys flown from Washington to Utah with some other kid who puked all over the plane and they didn't bother clean it up.. Anyways yes went thru 2 weeks at that Bright place then shipped to CCM ... Went thru 2 seminars that seem to humiliate me more than anything. While I was there my boyfriend died they would NOT let me go home for the funeral bc apparently they have more rights over you than your parents... The best thing I got were some awesome lifelong friends. I think that place is terrible and goes about building self esteem in all the wrong ways. Don't know if any of u remember me or not... But hope u r all doing well .. LEAH....

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Date Posted: 05:16:26 09/25/14 Thu

I would really love to talk to some of my friends like Poppy and Julie and Jessica we were all in G group with Rob... My email is lgerdau@gmail.com or find me on fb please... Thanks :)

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Date Posted: 06:55:51 03/03/17 Fri

Hi Meagan. My name is Shannon King. Do you remember me?

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Date Posted: 20:14:55 11/24/05 Thu

I remember jen & meriah...i was in group d with darell

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Date Posted: 21:00:20 07/02/04 Fri

If anyone who has been at cross creek would like to enlighten me as to how the program helped or did not help them I would really appreciate it. I am considering sending my daughter there.
You can e-mail me if you choose not to post it on this site. Thanks, Brenda

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Date Posted: 00:00:23 02/08/06 Wed

I was sent to Cross Creek in 2000. It was a nightmare. All they try to do is brain wash the kids. I was depressed and gained 40Lbs while there... they really treat the kids horribly and i am suprised they are still open today. Work with your child... be open to hearing what she has to say... except some things, but be a friend more than a forcer. Goodluck! If i can tell you one thing... CROSS CREEK IS NOT THE PLACE FOR YOUR DAUGHTER! I am getting ready to be a parent in the future, and i do see how badly i was behaving at the time, but i would never send my child there!!!! If you have any questions feel free to contact me. Boots4225@yahoo.com

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Date Posted: 23:39:22 07/17/12 Tue

Hope,
I think you are the same Hope I was in with. Hal's group...F, I think. I remember Crystal from Alaska, and Dana Brown, Toni, and many others. I see this post is rather old. I recently found the artice about the suit and it had me curious about what happened to that place....and how everyone "turned out"

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Date Posted: 03:05:08 05/18/13 Sat

Hope, I remember you. I was there with you--and Crystal, and Dana Brown and Liane Pruiksma (may she rest) and Toni Ronchetti. Wasn't it you who found the lice in Jodi's hair??

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Nuphar Marino (Nuphar Marino)
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Date Posted: 10:53:49 02/09/19 Sat

I remember you Hope! How are you?

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Hope
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Date Posted: 02:24:53 01/28/04 Wed

Michelle, if my memory serves me right I believe I was at cross creek with you during the year 1994. You may have even been in one of my groups. Our teacher was Ms. Woosley. I hung out with gabrielle and Jennifer R. Some other girls that might ring a bell tiffany sollee, crystal from alaska, another michelle from so cal. Anyways I'm now 25, happy, living in colorado, trying to start a family. Yet I still do think about all the horrible things that happened in that place, and for some odd reason tonight I decided to see if i could find any information online. Unfortanetly it looks as though the program, and im sure many others, have expanded....brainwashing more and more kids and parents. Anyways i commend your effort to collect a real overview of this place and others like it as its long overdue. If you have any questions feel free to email me. HOPE

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Date Posted: 12:22:31 04/07/04 Wed

i'm 16 now, and i got out of cross creek when i was 14. i know that it is a great program for troubled teens with behaivior problems, but i want to inform people that cross creek might not be for everyone. i was sent there because i got into a lot of trouble with the law, and everyone thought that it would be best for me, including me. well, when i got there, i was almost immediatly put in iscolation, and i was sent to the boot camp in mexico twice before they shut it down. even after all that i still found myself in the iscolation room for days. my problem wasn't completely behavioral. i have bi polar. i wasn't getting the phyciatric help that i needed. instead of trying to help me when i did something bad, i would get punished for it. now i know with a lot of people it might help, but not me. i was pulled out of cross creek and put in a residential that wasn't completely behavioral. it helped me get a grip on my emotional problems, and deal with bi polar. i encourage anyone with a child in cross creek to review there situation, and take time to figure out if it's best for them. i spent 8 months of my life there, and it didn't help. cross creek isn't for everyone. if you're feeling lossed, there are other places. please e-mail me with your thoughts on all this. thanx

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Leigh
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Date Posted: 22:06:42 04/18/04 Sun

What residential where you put in? My daughter may have the same problem. We live in Tampa Fl and I don't know of any around here.

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RaeAnne Parker
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Date Posted: 14:49:27 05/06/04 Thu

Kiersten
I don't know if you remember me or not. I talked to you a few times wehn we were in Casa. I was in C group with Brent as my therapist. If you remember me you should e mail me and let me know how you are doing. To refresh your memory I was there from July 2001 to May 2002 then was transferred to Casa by the Sea.
RaeAnne

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Date Posted: 22:28:21 02/05/04 Thu

I wasn't there but I appreciate your achievements!

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Matt West
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Date Posted: 13:55:05 03/26/04 Fri

I was at Cross Creek center for about 4 months anybosy want any info on it or want to anything about my experiences there just contact me

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Amy
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Date Posted: 13:02:19 04/13/04 Tue

I would be interested to hear how your research is going

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Cynthia
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Date Posted: 07:43:34 09/22/04 Wed

I was wondering how your research went and how cooperative you found people to be. I am posting a message today that also requests the assistance of those that read this board who might have the particular information I am looking for.

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Shelly
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Date Posted: 10:05:25 01/29/05 Sat

I would really like to chat with you!!! I have alot of information for you please contact me.

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Date Posted: 00:04:46 02/09/05 Wed

Great! kelowna

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Date Posted: 15:21:48 11/21/05 Mon

can you help me find a girl she is there for 3 weeks please help me help her...
i am begging for help from anyone...please e-mail me ...please!!

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Robert Seher
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Date Posted: 01:16:54 03/30/05 Wed

Wow, I just got pulled after being on pass with my Mom. I was on Level 5. Now im back home in Las Vegas. That place really sucked, I just kinda said the right words to get through. I never thought that kinda stuff existed, or other people went there.Hahaa. Yeah, IM me at TonyMontana0489

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rob
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Date Posted: 16:34:21 02/18/12 Sat

i was there for seven months in 2002 2003 and it was hell, had no idea what was happening they fed me dozens of meds and was constintly being assulted and restrained by staff mr.dallas mr.chris sam umi, i dont forget those abbusive pieces of trash.... they all should be in prison.

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Date Posted: 09:52:54 12/14/05 Wed

did you ever get in ...i am trying now to help a new girl.
olease write
pmillerca@cox.net

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Athena Yancey (HOPE TO HELP)
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Date Posted: 22:05:09 10/11/07 Thu

I have quite a traumatic story, both for me and those who were forced to be around me at that time. Would do anything to stop these people from skrewing parents out of house and home and shut this hell hole down forever.
Michelle- please contact me....

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KT
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Date Posted: 17:16:05 02/23/12 Thu

I was at cross creek manor from sept 2004 to April 2006. I was you average teenager with parents that couldn't handle their own lives and I became a pawn of their bickering. Three months in the stress was so extreme my thyriod stopped working. My throat became swollen and my hormones went through the roof. I gained 40 pounds in a month and my resting heart rate was 130 bpm. I got the worst medical treatment. Because I was on a low level they really didn't want to treat it but they really needed to help me. I had no say in my medical treatment and I was given radiation and my thyriod is now gone. My chances of having children are 50/50 if I'm lucky. Not to mention I'm on replacement hormone until I die. Being at cross creek was a mess. I surrendered to their rules and tried really hard to cooperate. It's now 2012 and in 23 still having nightmares about being held against my will and forced to be silent and brainwashed. I would have to say that mentally I went from a social butterfly teenager to more of a hermit and antisocial. I over think everything and have extreme anxiety that started as soon I got out of there. My only friends are two girls I keep in contact with from their because I can relate to them. I just get impatient with everyone else. When I was there some of the "therapy processes" I didn't think to much of because your brainwashing process starts the second you walk in the doors. But thinking back on it makes me cry sometimes. I still see the problem in one of my friends. It's hard when all she says is, " my expierance of you is...." I've never been criticizes and judged so harshly, I'm not a drug user, I'm not an alcoholic, I don't have a mental disorder, I am a regual person that now has a massive skeleton called cross creek. For the holidays when I see my family they ask me the same question " do you think the program helped?" sometimes I laugh and change the subject, other times I tear up and i have to leave the room. The education there is a joke. I didn't graduate on time and I couldn't go to a university because I didn't have the right credits. I have rebounded from that situation and I don't think about that often but its still a haunting memory. If the economy hasn't shut that place down then anyone who has the time, do it!

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Seija Riddle (Sage)
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Date Posted: 08:12:58 03/09/13 Sat

Michelle,

Is this you?!!!!

Seija

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heather dorling
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Date Posted: 20:28:09 01/04/14 Sat

Michelle...i was there when u were i was in D group w a girl namex michelle....do u remember me???u can find me on fb.im wearin a nirvana tshirt.if i remember correctly i liked u a lot and we were friends.

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Monica (Attended Brightway and CCM Feb-Aug 1993)
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Date Posted: 01:08:52 05/23/19 Thu

Hello Michelle my name is Monica and I was “kidnapped” and sent to Brightway and CCM when I was 15 and actually had my sweet sixteen birthday there. It was a horrible experience. I have never felt so alone or worthless in my entire life. I remember being watched all the time and having my shoes taken from me as soon as I arrived. This man and woman woke me up at 3:00 am and told me to get up and get dressed and that I was going with them. I went to the bathroom to get dressed and the woman followed me. From then on I had absolutely no privacy. While I was there I was seen by a psychiatrist and diagnosed with add and put on dexidrine, a very stong amphetamine. When my parents came to visit I wasn't allowed to spend the night out. I participated in a couple seminars including the family seminar with my mother and Sondra a fat and lazy counselor with scabs on her head was my counselor. I was only allowed to write my parents the first month after that they insisted on a weekly phone call, which was not the way the program was supposed to be but my parents wanted to talk to me every week. There are some good things that I learned about myself there but I don't agree with how they were taught. The experience changed my life forever. You're supposed to be able to trust your parents, what do you do when your parents have you kidnapped and taken thousands of miles away from your family like an outsider? Needless to say I have abandonment issues and trust issues to this day. Email me if you have any other questions. Thanks for listening. . . .
Monica
If you do the math, today I am 41 years old. That place has been around for a long time!!!

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Monica Bastian
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Date Posted: 18:20:22 06/03/03 Tue

From what I remember of the program unless you are court ordered or ordered by a physican you have no obligation to stay at the program after your eighteen. I witnessed a girl who walked out of the program even though she was on a high phase. Look up the laws for your state. Like in Washington its against the law to hold a minor against their will without an order so that's why parents send their kids to out of state programs.

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Erika Dearan
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Date Posted: 12:27:16 01/27/04 Tue

Hey..I didn't have a good experince in CCM. First I think these programs are for young girls who have trouble with authority. I personally did not problem with rules, I just want to die and cut my self. ( not any more) The faculty, in my opinion, were mean and unempathletic. I hated it. I still have nightmares about how restraining it is. I don't recommend it to anyone unless it's an alternative to jail.

Erika

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Katy Morgan/Diquattro
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Date Posted: 01:13:34 04/03/15 Fri

Jail, is better, you have more rights, and much better medical teatment. Both suck. Trust me jail is better. I have been through both. In jail you do your time and move on, in The Program/wwasp/Teen Help etc. You get abused, broken, tortured, molested, brain washed and it's all your fault even rape or young childhood is some how "Your Accountability". And I was thrown in jail in detoxing from herion. Bad Choices I made trying to forget or numb the pain from PTSD, from going to cross creek........need I say more.

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Date Posted: 08:14:33 02/11/04 Wed

HEY MY NAME IS SONJA CARLSON I WAS AT CROSS CREEK MANOR DURING THE YEAR OF 1998-99 I MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP YOU LOCATE SOMEONE. I STILL KEEP IN TOUCH WITH FRIENDS I MT THERE LIKE, KRISTIN R., ANDREA, SILVER I WAS IN B GROUP WITH GARTH!!!! JUST EMAIL ME TO TALK

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Date Posted: 15:17:35 09/29/04 Wed

Hey, I was in CCM in 98/99 I was in c group with brent hall then I moved to CI(Comfort INN) Anyone remember that place? In January 99 I mover to a phase 5 & over to St. George with Ron June as my therapist! If anyone remembers me or anyone lust wants an honest opinion of CCM hit me back! I did not graduate the "program" however i was voted up to phase 6 in 5/99 went home to clifton texas with an actual diploma in my hand & never went back! My birthday was 8/15 of that year & I turned 18 so sending me back would have been pointless, however I am proud to say that I am a succsessful Nurse , married my high school sweetheart (who happend to be on my c list of friends) I have a beautiful 19 month old daughter, & all my experiences have made me who I am today! Remember god has a pourpose for eveerything, even if we don't understand at the time!

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Sabra Jones
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Date Posted: 15:19:59 09/29/04 Wed

Hey, I was in CCM in 98/99 I was in c group with brent hall then I moved to CI(Comfort INN) Anyone remember that place? In January 99 I mover to a phase 5 & over to St. George with Ron June as my therapist! If anyone remembers me or anyone lust wants an honest opinion of CCM hit me back! I did not graduate the "program" however i was voted up to phase 6 in 5/99 went home to clifton texas with an actual diploma in my hand & never went back! My birthday was 8/15 of that year & I turned 18 so sending me back would have been pointless, however I am proud to say that I am a succsessful Nurse , married my high school sweetheart (who happend to be on my c list of friends) I have a beautiful 19 month old daughter, & all my experiences have made me who I am today! Remember god has a pourpose for eveerything, even if we don't understand at the time!

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Courtney Weidle
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Date Posted: 16:05:55 03/10/04 Wed

Hey, I was in Cross Creek for 17 months...I was in B group with Garth both at the low-phase facility and high-phase. I was actually looking for a friend of mine that was going into PC 1 when I was leaving...Her name is Lisa Woodward, and I would really love to get in contact with her. It's been two years, but if any of you know a way for me to find her, I would greatly appreciate it. My email is nbcw03@adelphia.net!!! Thanks, Courtney

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Courtney Weidle
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Date Posted: 02:59:18 04/21/04 Wed

Hey guys, I have bee ntalking with Molly Knighten for a while now. It is really great to talk to people from the program...it makes me feel less alone when I have someone to talk to about the bad times. No one here really understands what I went through, not even my significant other. Feel free to email me if you ever want to talk.

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Courtney Weidle
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Date Posted: 03:03:12 04/21/04 Wed

Hey, does anyone know what the name of the real Cross Creek bulleting board is? After I got out, I followed the instructions given to me by a fellow girl, and they turned outto be bunk. How do I find it and how do I access it? Do you need a password? Email me if you know an answer to these questions or if you know someone who might that I may contact. NBCW03@adelphia.net

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Mandie Dugan
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Date Posted: 18:34:15 05/06/04 Thu

Hi, I was in Cross Creek Manor back in 1992-1993 ish?

Anyhoo, I thought I would give this a shot to see if any old girlfriends check this. They do keep it hard to keep in touch.

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Amiee Yelinek
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Date Posted: 15:36:33 03/01/06 Wed

I was also at CCM in 1992-1993...well, actually, I was at ccm in 1991 and at ACC 1992-1993. Your name sounds familiar.

Amiee

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Sarah Zottman
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Date Posted: 02:36:45 03/31/07 Sat

Hey Amiee I went to cross creek with you in 1992 (you lived on Vashon right)? I've been trying to look up friends while i was in but because of CCM privacy laws im having a hard time. any suggestions?

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sirritha munro
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Date Posted: 12:26:43 09/14/06 Thu

Hello I was in Cross Creek Manor in 1991. Looking for old friends from ther any help would be appreicated.

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Lisa Chappel
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Date Posted: 21:13:03 07/22/16 Fri

Hi. I was in CCM in 90-91 I think I remember you.. Do you remember me? Lol..it's been a really long time

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jane
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Date Posted: 19:19:22 11/25/12 Sun

I was at ccm in 92-93. It looks nothing like it does now. Did it move from the original place? It used to be a smaller building directly across from a cemetary. And it definitely did not have any of the extra curricular activities as it says on the website. I don't remember any groups being organized by letters. Only by levels. Level 1and2: basement; Level 3 and 4: upstairs; Level 5: the house in the back of the manor; level 6: condos off site.
Is this the same ccm program?
Anyone there around the same time? I remember the small grassy field outside and we used to walk around the fenced perimeter like a prison yard.

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Date Posted: 04:40:41 01/07/13 Mon

I was also there from winter of '92 to fall of '93 around the time of levels, back house & condos. They had just built the off site facility where you'd go for "seminars". What a shit show.

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Amelie
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Date Posted: 10:20:05 06/14/18 Thu

Alicia, I was there from summer of '93 to Jan '94. Your name sounds familiar to me. You left before I did. Nice to read a familiar name.

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Jenn
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Date Posted: 14:17:42 09/06/13 Fri

I was there 92-93 (Feb-Aug). And remember the levels, and then ended at the condos. Worst experience ever. I've been reading all the charges online the last few days and the memories are flooding back...somewhat overwhelming as I had shut all of that out of my memory. I was sent there for depression and running away. I didnt belong there. I was 140 (5'9) when I got there. Got up to 175 lbs. And when I got home my eating disorder started. Left HS at 120 lbs. First yr of college hit 80. Then remained 75 lbs for 11 years. I think that was the only thing I could control after having everything taken from me....my rights, my self worth, my family and friends. This place was hell on earth. I was friends with Angela (the one who had managed to run and then was sent back), and Amy from Washington. Also Michelle from San Diego. And Tyler (RIP). I cant remember too many other names. There was also Amy Price. Email me if you remember me. Jenn Millard (not my name any more). Email: trilife76@gmail.com. I think this hell hole has been shut down finally.

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heather dorling
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Date Posted: 20:57:50 01/05/14 Sun

Thats how i remember it too.early to mid nineties i think i was there 3 yrs.

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jennifer ballew
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Date Posted: 23:27:40 05/22/14 Thu

Do u remember me....or girl from Vegas named Karen or a girl named Holly

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Christa Adkins
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Date Posted: 20:53:50 08/11/15 Tue

Hi Mandy,

I was in Cross Creek Manor around 92/93. I ended up running away while on an outing.

Do you remember me. I have such vague memories of that place. I worked my way just so I could go on an outing and run like hell.

I remember Shannon Tannehill and Leslie. Do you remember them?

Christa

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Myrlene (Aguilera)
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Date Posted: 00:01:11 10/15/15 Thu

I was there in 92-93, I really don't remember anything about this place except for level 1 in the basement where I resided. I only really remember a girl named Jordan that was my bunk mate and my cousin Jackie was there when I arrived but left shortly after. All I recall was that this place was hell on earth! Another memory was my teacher taught me how to knots blanket, very strange experience!

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Elizabeth (Dane)
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Date Posted: 15:30:04 03/26/18 Mon

HEY GIRL!!! I remember you!! I was there 92/93, i was only 12, blonde hair. I was in Hals group and if i remember you were tall and thin

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Joan Waits
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Date Posted: 00:18:49 06/06/04 Sun

Hi! Anyone remember Krista who was in Goup "C"?

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Ashley
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Date Posted: 14:14:49 11/21/04 Sun

I do. Y? How is she?

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Shane
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Date Posted: 15:21:19 02/16/05 Wed

If she is over 18 years old she is there on her own will. Her parents might tell her if she comes home she will be abandoned and that might be why she is still there. Other than that she can walk out those doors when ever she wants. That is if she is 18 yet. No one can hold you against your will besides courts and jails after you are 18. Just thought id let yea know. Good luck finding her and i hope her parents truly reconsider what they are doing to her.

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Katy Morgan/Diquattro
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Date Posted: 01:22:17 04/03/15 Fri

NOT TRURE, the program talk alot of parents into getting something called a Conservatorship. My parent were convinced to get one me. All they do is get paperwork from the Therapists, and The Program, that say you are a danger to yourself/others, and your parents go to a hearing and plead their case to a judge, 99% of the time if the paperwork confirms you are in current treatment your parents or and adult still has Custodial Rights over you..........and it sucks........

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p
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Date Posted: 15:19:04 11/21/05 Mon

i am looking for someone too.
i need help.
she has only been there 3 weeks
help me please

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Kathleen
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Date Posted: 09:11:55 01/26/06 Thu

I was there for over a year in 1989. HORRIBLE. It was all girls then. The only green ANYTHING was across the street at the cemetary. We had houseparents in twos and Linda the "horse" for a teacher. I remember being in Bob's office for HOURS. Strip searched, isolated, "Priveledges" we had none! revoked. Revoked meant NO bathroom privacy at all AND the houseparents slept in the room with you as you were on watch 24 hrs 7 days a week. I was KIDNAPPED from California because my parents who were divorced didn't want to "deal" with me. I would NEVER send a child, any child to that place. The best thing that happened was a wonderful couple named Oscar and Jen Fakahua introduced me to the Church. That saved me, not that place.

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Amy
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Date Posted: 16:59:02 11/06/14 Thu

I was there in 89 too...I remember the houseparents always being on watch. I was kidnapped from my home in California by Karr (ran the place), Alan (counselor) and one of the houseparents who's name I forgot. I lived most of my time there in the basement. Worst 8 months of my life. I went back to see the place a few years ago...made me sick to my stomach.

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Jacqueline Hattje
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Date Posted: 03:42:58 10/14/15 Wed

i was there in 1992-93! I'm so happy to hear they closed their doors! This place was cruel and our parents were clueless!

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Fawn P
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Date Posted: 00:07:53 02/09/06 Thu

For all those who are considering placing a child into the programs...i was at ccm from oct 8th 96 to april 2000. if you cooperate then no it would not be torture to be there just brainwashing in my opinion. personally i have been put into their isolation room and sat on when i would not cooperate with everything they said was right. how is disagreeing with a staffs opinion or cussing deserving of such treatment? cross creek manor was the third program my mom sent me to...i beleive she chose it because where we lived she could not force me into a program after you turn 15; utah had no such problem. she told me it was a place to finish scool fast and then i could come home. they give you the otion of leaving when you turn 18 but; what they don't tell everyone is that the chances of having a place to go if you leave at 18 is slim to none. i saw so many things in the program that made me want to sue them...i was always told go ahead and try..noone will beleive you. now i have blocked most of it from my mind but i still have problems adjusting to the world. i'm 25 and when i left i left with no idea how the real world worked...i had been in a "special" enviroment and on the meds they "thought" i needed for a long time. while there they decided i was depressed so they put me on zoloft...then i was too hyper so they put me on adderol. i was in almost every group there.

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Katy Morgan/Diquattro
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Date Posted: 01:25:45 04/03/15 Fri

I remember you, I was there all of 1997. Kept there after I was 18 on a court order. Hope your doing well, I have survived. But the scars of CCM will always be there.

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cameron
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Date Posted: 03:04:16 04/02/06 Sun

hey i was at cross creek from 2002 - 2004 and i was in b group but i was looking for a girl in d group named gillian heppenstall, if anyone has heard from her or knows how i can get in contact with her, please tell me, thats my sister. my email is cammy0107@SBCGLOBAL.NET THANKS SO MUCH

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amy cooke
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Date Posted: 00:04:08 03/02/07 Fri

I was @ CCM from '88-'89. Hated it. I will never be the same. Went back years later, got a tour of the place from "Bobert" and Patti. I learned to love them as people but hated what they did and allowed to happen. The things that went on while I was there still today make my skin crawl. The Manor, as it was called then, was still fairly new. Back then, there were not groups but levels. Achievement, Trust, Ect. My shrink Dr. David Goodwin was my rock. I came straight from Spring Creek Community in Thompson Falls Montana which was a wilderness program that was shut down and later I heard Bob bought it, to Cross Creek Manor. Anyways, that's all.

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Rosie Light
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Date Posted: 23:45:15 12/21/12 Fri

Hello,
I was a Manor Girl when I was 16. I was taken in the middle of the night from Fresno, CA and driven by Carr Farnsworth and family. I was there for most of 1991. If anyone remembers me from that long ago, I'd love to hear from you. I've lost touch with everyone since it was so long ago.

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Suzanne
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Date Posted: 06:36:13 05/20/19 Mon

I remember you Rosie, tall and blonde. I’m Suzanne and was thee for 5 months in 1991. Hope you are well.

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Natalie Tocco
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Date Posted: 23:39:01 04/18/13 Thu

hey, just found this forum. Not sure how often people post on here, but I went to CCM 2002-04, I was in E group. I was 16, now 26. Was anyone else there during that time?

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Teresa
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Date Posted: 01:02:59 05/12/13 Sun

I was in CCM from Oct 1993 to April 1994. Actually came across this feed looking for my old therapist Richard Snyder. Thinking i have an amends to make to him. Wanted to let him know that his presentation of recovery has stuck with me. We would be vicious in group and he would remain calm and not engage. I meet some amazing girls there and am saddened we didn't stay in touch. I do remember the "manor" and the basement and Richard Simmons

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Amelie
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Date Posted: 10:26:16 06/14/18 Thu

Hi Teresa, I was there from July '93 to Jan '94. My memories are vague, but I remember Bryce and Cameron. The other girls I remember are Melinda, Soli, Kate and Dani.

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Kathleen Elizabeth Rekah Levah (Peaceful)
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Date Posted: 13:26:57 05/13/16 Fri

I was literally caged at Cross Creek manor from 1989-1990.
I had an old story, now I have a new one!
Something incredible about our life is that there are no denominations or
divisions that might alter how our culture is expressed in all the
different locations all over the world. Our brothers and sisters in
Brazil might eat differently than us and speak Portuguese, but they keep
the same traditions as those of us in the US, in France, the Czech
Republic, Australia, and even the budding in community in Japan. It's
not motivated out of principle or doctrine, like I experienced in the
LDS church. We are representing the same love in all
communities, living the same life, so that people might know that we are
ONE, not because of some mystical concept but because of what they see.
When I came here I was like ripe fruit coming off the vine, ready
to give myself to whatever might cause me to love more freely than
ever before. We think that's what human beings were made for, and my
hope is you'll come and see. In all, I hope your hearts desires are given to you. May our paths cross again -

Love loves and people change ~

www.https://twelvetribes.org

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[> Subject: Re: My Personal Experience at Cross Creek MAnor


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Danielle
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Date Posted: 21:17:50 02/11/02 Mon

I left Cross Creek during the summer of '97, and I had never been so happy to go home in my life. Like Eklipsa, my experience at the Manor was not all sunshine and roses. Fortunately, though, I met some of the best friends I've ever had there. They helped me get through each horrific day I had to endure at CCM. I want to get in contact with them, but CCM's rules on confidentiality prevent me from doing that. I couldn't get anyone's address unless I got specific permission from their parents during the Family TASKS seminars. I never attended Family I or II, therefore I have no way to contact my friends. If anyone knows a way that I can get their info from Cross Creek I would really appreciate it.

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Julie Schulman
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Date Posted: 00:13:10 12/25/02 Wed

I know both you guys.

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Loah
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Date Posted: 13:47:48 02/05/03 Wed

Dani-If you're the one I think, email me.

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[> [> Subject: Re: My Personal Experience at Cross Creek MAnor


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Date Posted: 02:26:35 04/08/03 Tue

Hello everyone,

I spent some time in these programs. I was first at Brightway for intake, evaluation, etc. then was moved to Cross Creek Manor for the majority of my time in Utah. I was 16 years old then. It was quite awhile ago (1994) and now I'm 25. I am a student at New York University and have decided that it is time for someone to compile a factual research paper on Cross Creek, WWASP, and specialty boarding schools in general. I've been doing lots of research online and came across these boards. I'd love it if anyone -- especially former attendees, parents, etc, could let me know anything specific you feel comfortable sharing in terms of your personal experieneces. I am also wondering if anyone would be interested/willing to do an online interview with me or take a survey about your time in the programs.

I'm doing my best to start going at my research from an objective angle, but do have my own experiences to share and will do so with anyone that contacts me. (if you are interested) I just want to get facts and put forth an accurate picture of what these places are about, what goes one, etc.

I'll keep any sources confidential and total discretion is assured.

Also -- here is one more question:

I want to gain access to the Cross Creek Programs. I'd like to get inside and take a tour, etc. I am fairly certain no one is going to let me in for this, but I figure it's worth a shot to ask. I'm ready and willing to head to LaVerkin if the opportunity presents itself. If anyone has any ideas as to the best way to go about this, gain access, etc. I'd appreciate it.

Thanks for reading and hope to hear from some of you soon.

Best,

Michelle.

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Genevieve
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Date Posted: 09:12:20 05/22/03 Thu

hey i'm 16 and while i was looking around, i found your post i am very interested in talking to you about my experience which let me add was horrible, my mother pulled me out 2 months ago and i am willing to talk to you. i felt mistreated and would not hope for ANY child to EVER attend cross creek. i can't understand why parents spend so much money for their children to just be scared out of there minds by these "higher attorty" who are very uneducated and have no idea who to run anything, i felt like they were on a power trip like 247!!!! so all in all I HATED CCM!

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Meagan Tinney
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Date Posted: 04:07:23 04/29/04 Thu

Michelle

I would be very interested in talking with you about Cross Creek. I share you opinion, I think something should be done about these programs. At the very least getting acurate information to the public. I hate to think of anyone haveing to go there, I think jail is a better option (less emotional damage).
Anyway I aplaud your efforts and want to help in anyway possible. I do have some information I think you might be interested in.
Meagan

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BS4
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Date Posted: 02:27:34 03/07/02 Thu


I Appreciate People Taking The Time To Speak Out On Their Experiences Of These Multi Million Dollar Corporations. I Did Not Go To Cross Creek Manor, I Went Spring Creek Lodge, A School Directly Related. I Can Now Say I Am A Witness And Victim Of Verbal And Physical Abuse. I Now Suffer From Depression, Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome And Other Long Term Negative Effects. I Have Started A Site www.BoardingSchool.77th.com To Help Raise Awareness For Parents And People Around The World. Please Check Out Our Site And Share Your Boarding School Stories. Spread The Truth. Many Is A Voice. Thanks For Your Time, BS4.

Http://www.BoardingSchool.77th.com

PS: Cameron Pullan, Guilty Of Abuse. Director Of Spring Creek Lodge Boarding School

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Sarry Simms
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Date Posted: 13:56:29 11/18/02 Mon

Do you know if there is anything you can do to remove a child from a program like this once they are admitted? I am deeply concerned for my step sister who has recently been admitted to cross creek. Her father is an emotional mess, and I'm not sure he is aware of his rights if he has any. Please respond it would be greatly appreciated.

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Karen
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Date Posted: 10:23:29 11/19/02 Tue

A Mandeville woman, with some strong-arm help, frees her sons from a Costa Rican school. Their father who placed them in the boot-camp-like facility may accuse her of kidnapping.


10/20/02

By James Varney Latin America correspondent







OROTINA, COSTA RICA -- For tourists, this piedmont town near the Pacific is just a gas or soda stopover en route to some glorious tropical beach. But then, the teenagers at the Academy at Dundee Ranch aren't tourists.

Just what they are is subject to interpretation. Some consider them students, albeit of an unruly, sometimes self-destructive sort, sent here by desperate parents to turn their lives around. Others, Carey Bock of Mandeville among them, subscribe to the view that Academy Dundee is more like a prison and that the teens are inmates.

That conviction last week launched Bock, a 45-year-old assistant vice president at Resource Bank in Mandeville, on a three-day, $15,000 odyssey. She flew to Costa Rica, equipped herself with an entourage of burly men and drove out to the academy's remote cluster of buildings on an unpaved road northwest of Orotina. Without prior announcement, she barged onto the campus and left with her 16-year-old twin sons. Hours later, after the U.S. Embassy in San José refused to issue the boys new passports to replace the ones held by the academy, she talked her way onto a flight to Houston and on Wednesday night shepherded the boys back home by way of Louis Armstrong International Airport.

Bock and the twins, Geoffrey and Garred, now face court action threatened by her ex-husband, Mike Bock, the boys' father, who shipped them off to Academy Dundee in March. He remains convinced, they say, that Dundee's tough-as-nails approach is what the boys need.

Carey Bock says she will do whatever it takes to keep them from having to go back.

"I'm not pretending my sons are angels, but I think they're better off in the United States," she said. "It doesn't make any sense to me to put your kids at risk because you think that will save their lives."


Searching for solutions

A year ago, the twins were enrolled at Mandeville High School when their mother, exasperated by their drinking and their cavalier attitude toward curfews and other parental safeguards, sent them to live with their father, stationed in Rio de Janeiro as the country manager for Weatherford Completion Systems, an oil supply company. The couple's joint custody of Geoffrey and Garred remained legally intact.

What transpired in Brazil remains unclear. The twins wouldn't discuss the topic, and Mike Bock did not return phone calls or e-mail messages. But when the twins returned to Mandeville for a visit last Christmas, their mother concluded that the situation had not improved, and, in an attempt to dodge their flight back to Rio, the boys ran away briefly.

Soon thereafter, Bock said, her ex-husband told her he had found a "school in the States" for the twins, but he remained evasive about the institution and it was only through the estranged couple's daughter that Mrs. Bock learned Mike and the boys had flown to Costa Rica.

At the San Jose airport on March 28, according to the twins, their father handed them over to an Academy Dundee representative who drove the youths over the coffee-terraced mountains to the school in the torrid coastal plain.


'Youth specialty schools'

The site outside Orotina is one of three foreign and eight U.S.-based sites that make up the World Wide Association of Specialty Programs (WWASP), which is headquartered in Utah. Dubbing themselves "the world's largest and finest youth specialty schools," the WWASP academies are part of a so-called boot-camp or tough-love movement, places for the conversion or rehabilitation of teenagers, most of whom are caught in a cycle of drug and alcohol abuse. The teenagers are enrolled there by their parents, not referred by courts.

As the growing number of such institutions attests, most parents are apparently pleased with the results. The U.S. Embassy in Costa Rica said it has been asked only twice to check up on resident students since the school opened a year ago, and one of those requests came from Carey Bock. The parents of another New Orleans-area teenager attending Dundee had nothing negative to say about the school. In total, three students from southeast Louisiana -- two from the New Orleans area and one from Baton Rouge -- remain at Academy Dundee.

But the movement as a whole, and WWASP academies in particular, are not without critics. Last year, a 14-year-old at a tough-love camp near Phoenix died after being forced to eat mud and stand in 116-degree heat, according to authorities who in February charged the camp's director with second-degree murder.

That site was not associated with the WWASP, but a female student at the WWASP's Tranquility Bay site in Jamaica committed suicide last year. In 1998, authorities in the Czech Republic closed Morava Academy, a WWASP school, after allegations of abuse and illegal imprisonment of 57 teenagers. The couple running the Czech school, Glenda and Steven Roach, had moved to Europe after being accused of similar crimes at a school in Mexico. Their whereabouts are unknown, and WWASP president Ken Kay said the Roaches no longer work for the organization.


Physical ordeals

Garred and Geoffrey Bock said they were not subjected to beatings at Academy Dundee, though they claimed other students were. But some of the punishments they described were physical ordeals by any account. For talking when they weren't supposed to, as one example, the twins said they were ordered into an isolated room and forced to kneel silently for 12 hours a day, three days in a row.

WWASP makes no secret of the harshness of its program. While literature provided to parents says the school "is not a treatment facility, counseling-based program, or a correctional institution," it acknowledges that freedoms are sharply curtailed. In Costa Rica, the pamphlets tell parents, "the food isn't as good as the ‘home-cooked' meals you have provided them, the accommodations are simple and basic, not nearly as nice as your home."

"In a nutshell, our purpose is creating family unity through growth, and there is a degree of controversy that goes with that," Kay said, without commenting specifically on the Bock boys. WWASP does not own Academy Dundee and is not a hands-on partner in what goes on there, he said. "We don't get involved in the day-to-day decisions or personnel decisions," he said. Academy Dundee's director, Joe Atkin, referred inquiries to Kay's office.


Spartan, but expensive

Upon arrival, newcomers sleep in what is known as "the bat cave " -- in reality a hallway full of cots, unprotected by mosquito netting, the Bock twins said, despite the serious outbreak of dengue fever that has beset Costa Rica's Pacific coast this year.

Dundee students pursue an independent study program in a variety of courses. The school literature notes, however, that, "the teachers/tutors working with the students do not need or may not necessarily have U.S. credentials or equivalent."

Despite the Spartan conditions and the uncertain attainments of the staff, the cost is not cheap. In fact, a year at a WWASP program costs about the same as a year at a private university in the United States. For the twins, that came to roughly $2,000 each per month, and that does not include $95 a month for incidental fees, a $2,000 one-time processing fee, plus $295 for uniform service and other costs.

Teenagers begin at Level 1, and may have no telephone contact with their parents until they reach Level 3, a process that can take anywhere from "60 to 120 days or more," according to Academy Dundee materials provided to parents. After that, telephone calls are permitted once a month, but only "at times prearranged between parents and their family representative at the school," the materials state.

The twins said no music is allowed until a teen reaches Level 4, at which time parental visits also are permitted. But status can be fleeting at Academy Dundee. For example, the twins said that after six months they were on the verge of Level 4 status, but that another student at the facility remained mired at Level 1 after five years in WWASP programs.


Some want out

Not surprisingly, given the bad habits that may have landed them at Dundee and the harsh discipline upon arrival, some students try to bolt. Since March, six have fled Academy Dundee in three separate incidents, according to the Bock boys. The runaways are trying to make it to the U.S. Embassy in San José, a distance of 35 miles as the crow flies, but by foot an arduous trek over steep mountains and through rain forests teeming with snakes, crocodiles and other menaces. The twins said most runaways get lost in the jungle where the mud is so thick it sucks off their shoes. Barefoot, they press on but are usually found within 24 hours and carried back to the school, their feet lacerated and swollen from the ordeal.

Indeed, runaways were the lead topic in the Academy's newsletter, Dundeeism, in September.

"Running away doesn't pay," Atkin wrote. "You all know that great song that says, ‘You can sign out any time you want, but you can never leave.' "

In another newsletter item, a woman named Breanne Berrett strikes a more sinister tone. "If you were found, well, have fun at Tranquility Bay or Boot Camp," she warns would-be runaways. "The wonderful facilitators will be waiting there to greet you."


Bodyguards help

No one was waiting for Carey Bock when she drove onto the campus Tuesday. She had set off from San José that morning with Steve Bozak, who described himself as an education consultant, from Albany, N.Y., two hulking men named John and Ty, recruited by Bozak from California, her fiancé, Ken Levine.

In the troubled-teen business, the bodyguards are known as an escort service, and they cut both ways. At times, after parents have signed off on the procedure, they burst into homes in the early morning hours and yank teenagers out of their beds, whisking them off to the boot camps in which their parents have enrolled them. In this case, though, they were on hand to assist Bock in taking her sons away.

The school was ungated, and upon arrival Bock encountered about 40 people milling about a circular driveway. On one side, a handful of boys were washing a car and, in front of the main office, about 10 girls were pushing brooms in the hot sun.

Bock, her voice tremulous with fear and anger, asked to speak with Atkin, who appeared clearly startled by the intruders. When Bock asked to see her boys, Atkin said it was his understanding that a St. Tammany judge had to issue an order allowing her to visit her sons.

"No," Bock said, trembling. "I want to see my boys."

Atkin assured her they would be brought to the office, and the bodyguards tried in vain to calm Bock.

Outside, the girls pushing the brooms asked repeatedly for water. "Si, un poco water," a counselor replied in an odd mix of Spanish and English, but no water was distributed. One of the sweepers crouched with a hacking cough, and another, her face and arms flushed, came unglued. Shaking and sobbing, she moved toward the shade.

"She's from Canada and kind of freaking out because she just got a call that one of her neighbors back home is dying of skin cancer," Atkin explained.

He and another Dundee staffer said they wanted to call the St. Tammany courts, and one of the bodyguards said that was fine.

"You make whatever calls you have to make," he said calmly, "and in the meantime let's just bring the boys out here so she can see them."


'Lucky bastard!'

Perhaps 10 minutes later, the twins -- sporting Marine buzz cuts, khaki pants, long-sleeved white shirts and ties, and flip-flops -- came walking up. Their "family representative," Peter, had an arm around each shoulder. They looked completely mystified until they saw their mother, and then they rushed forward. The trio embraced as the twins started crying.

After the brief reunion, one of the bodyguards urged Bock to walk with the boys toward the car.

As they walked swiftly away, holding hands, one of the boys washing the car on the other side of the driveway yelled out, "We love you, Garred!" adding, as the mother and her sons approached the car, "you lucky bastard!"

Without a word, Bock, Levine and the twins hopped into the car and drove off the campus, the bodyguards following on foot. The twins were scared and mystified.

"Have you got passports? Are you going to get in trouble, Mom? This is weird, this is really weird," they muttered.

On the two-hour drive back to San José, the twins offered a mixed analysis of the program.

"I know people are going to want me to say it's 100 percent evil, but I'm not going to do that," Garred said. "I learned a lot of good things, too."

The twins described an "inside program" and an "outside program." The inside component involves two- to -three-day seminars, which WWASP calls teen discovery, teen focus or teen accountability. They are run every few weeks, and the twins spoke highly of them. In between, however, the twins said the school was more like a boot camp, with merits and demerits handed out willy-nilly by both students and counselors. There are about 150 students, they said, "and only one bathroom works."


Mounting concerns

"This whole thing has just been a blur," Carey Bock said when they arrived back at their hotel.

In truth, Bock's blur was almost seven months old. She said her husband had refused to tell her where he had enrolled the boys, and when she learned the name of the school and the country from their daughter, she still had no idea how to contact her sons.

Bock, increasingly distraught, became positively horrified after watching a Montel Williams show concerning the boy who died at the Arizona boot camp.

She began cruising the Internet and soon found a web of parents who oppose WWASP. She called the academy but was told she could not speak to the twins. Her concern mounting, she sent an e-mail message to Atkin, asking him about his credentials and the credentials of the school and other faculty members.

"I worded it very carefully as a concerned parent and not in some confrontational way, asking the same kind of questions I think any parent would ask about a boarding school where their children were," she said. "But he just e-mailed me back saying he didn't have time to answer those questions."


Telling it to the judge

The Academy at Dundee Ranch Parent Checklist says that, in cases of divorce, custody must be verified prior to arrival. If both biological parents are signing, no custody verification is necessary. Carey Bock never signed, and, given the joint custody status of her divorce agreement with Mike Bock, she instituted a case against him.

In August, Mike Bock flew to Covington and a hearing was held before Judge Peter Garcia. Carey Bock said she was called into a lengthy conference in the judge's chambers, and that Garcia said to her, "I've got your sons on the phone right here. Do you want to talk to them?" It was the first time they'd spoken together since last year.

"I get on the phone and they're crying, saying my letters to them were getting them in trouble and talking about having to stare at the wall for 12 hours, and kneeling for three days in a row because they wore their shoes," she said.

Bock then asked the U.S. Embassy to perform a welfare check. Consular officer James Russo visited the school in August and spoke with the boys, and Bock said he later told her, cryptically, "it's not as bad as some of them."


'We're going to the airport'

The embassy declined to grant The Times-Picayune an interview with Russo, but he saw the twins again Wednesday. That morning, Carey Bock, Levine and the boys went to the embassy to try to obtain new passports for the twins, because their current ones are apparently in the possession of Academy Dundee.

Russo was ready for them, they said. He had been faxed the joint custody papers the day before, either by Mike Bock in Brazil or his attorney in St. Tammany, and said he could not issue new passports without the signature of both parents. According to Carey Bock, the twins and Levine, Russo asked the twins if they had been physically abused, and they said no. He then asked them if they wanted to go home, and they said yes.

Empty-handed, the foursome returned to their hotel. Bock was crying as the family huddled in their room to plot their next step. Bock's return flight reservations were for Thursday. Minutes later, they strode into the lobby with bags packed.

"We're going to the airport," Bock said.

At the airport, Bock, who had the twins' birth certificates, Social Security cards, and a passport one of the twins had lost in Mandeville last year, spoke with the airline, got the boarding passes and left for the United States.

The next phase may unfold in the courts. After arriving home, Bock said her attorney told her Mike Bock may file kidnapping charges against her. But she says she is prepared to fight.

"I have to wonder about the majority of individuals who support WWASP," she said. "I say that only because it is hard for me to imagine a parent would sign over their rights as parents, and basically that is what they have done."

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James Varney can be reached at jvarney@timespicayune.com or by international call to (506) 282-9246.





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Date Posted: 21:18:12 01/09/04 Fri

From the The Times-Picayune story of 10/20/02

At the airport, Bock, who had the twins' birth certificates, Social Security cards, and a passport one of the twins had lost in Mandeville last year, spoke with the airline, got the boarding passes and left for the United States.

The next phase may unfold in the courts. After arriving home, Bock said her attorney told her Mike Bock may file kidnapping charges against her. But she says she is prepared to fight.

"I have to wonder about the majority of individuals who support WWASP," she said. "I say that only because it is hard for me to imagine a parent would sign over their rights as parents, and basically that is what they have done."

Let it be known:
Mz Bock has now begun to work closly with WWASP and has turned over thousands of peices of private email she had from the parent's group, who had help her when she wanted her boys out. For this, she was paid 12 thousand 5 hundred dollars by wwasp's attornies.

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jenniferbirkeland
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Date Posted: 21:31:54 05/30/03 Fri

Hi,
My daughter has been at CrossCreek for 1 year. I have become very concerned. Please respond to me, so I can understand what you are saying, and my "gut feel".

Thank you,
Jennifer

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Author:
Monica Bastian
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Date Posted: 18:14:26 06/03/03 Tue

I read your message about being concerned about your daughter. What are your concerns? I was in Cross Creek for three years from 96-99. Feel free to respond to my email address.

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Meagan Tinney
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Date Posted: 04:15:24 04/29/04 Thu

I was at Cross Creek from 1995-1996, I am now 25. I am more than happy to share my experience and concerns with you. I am more than familiar with the program, from being there and also my involvement afterwards. This is a dangerous program and I would like to help you and your daughter. Feel free to contact me at my e-mail and we can get in touch. Also I am sure that my mom would be willing to talk with you and share her experience as well, from a parents perspective.
Meagan

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jenniferbirkeland
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Date Posted: 21:32:03 05/30/03 Fri

Hi,
My daughter has been at CrossCreek for 1 year. I have become very concerned. Please respond to me, so I can understand what you are saying, and my "gut feel".

Thank you,
Jennifer

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jenniferbirkeland
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Date Posted: 21:33:06 05/30/03 Fri

Hi,
My daughter has been at CrossCreek for 1 year. I have become very concerned. Please respond to me, so I can understand what you are saying, and my "gut feel".

Thank you,
Jennifer

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[> Subject: Re: My Personal Experience at Cross Creek MAnor


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Ed
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Date Posted: 08:01:47 10/01/02 Tue

I have a stepson who is in Casa by the Sea in Mexico.Is there anyone that has some info on this place.His mother put him in there and I knew nothing about what was going on at the time.She and I have split up but I have some major concerns about this place and her keeping him there.His biological father was in on the plan to put him in there and they are splitting the cost.I have my hands tied but I do want the 16 year old to be treated properly.
Please e-mail me if you have anything you can tell me.
Thanks
Ed
eds73l@hotmail.com

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Rita Fay
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Date Posted: 22:10:26 10/20/02 Sun

DEAR ED,

DID YOU GET ANY REPLIES TO YOUR LETTER. I AM ALSO INTERESTED IN CASA BY THE SEA.

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Karen
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Date Posted: 09:50:00 12/18/02 Wed

Rita - Recent events have made me wonder about your motive for asking for info. I suspect you work for The Program and are for some reason gleaning names of the troublesome malcontents. I add to recent events the knowledge that you never responded to the question, what exactly do you want to know, and why; after quickly responding every time any info was offered.
Tell me if I'm wrong, and explain please?
Karen

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Lauren
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Date Posted: 09:26:36 02/19/03 Wed

Hi! i just read your message that you posted about your step-son and about how he is in the program.. casa bay the sea . I will tell you that all programs that deal with WWASP are bad news!! these facilitys have all been sued with different charges.. such as.. sexually abuse, physical abuse, and mental abuse. These kids are tourted there. I really wish you the best of luck and i really hope that your step-son gets out of there. A website that im currently involved with and writing news letters for.. is.. www.helpyourteens.com This website is very good and will inform you with information and also will give you the best information for tryin gto get him our of there and if you still would like to send him somewhere that will help him.. they will tell you the good boarding schools and the ones that will catually live up to what they say the will.

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Diana S
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Date Posted: 13:28:44 01/30/04 Fri

My daughter just returned from Casa by the Sea January 7th. She was there for 17 months but did not graduate. We ran out of funds to finance her stay. She had nothing bad to say about Casa other than they have a lot of rules. She says she learned a lot while there and she has a totally changed for the better attitude. I wish everyone would quit posting on sites horror stories about the place. Yes, if you were a pain maybe you were restrained, etc. But if you followed the rules all was well. Get used to rules!!! They're every where. But all this whining. Grow up!!

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Date Posted: 09:28:17 02/28/04 Sat

Diana S.
Have you ever thought that maybe your daughter was one of the lucky few who wasn't abused? And maybe she was there for so long that she just accepted her shitty reality that she's stuck there. And have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, she's too scared shitless to say anything because she's too afraid of getting sent back there? I hate program parents. And you know what I hate more? When WWASP employees go around posting false "stories" on anti-wwasp sites like these boasting about how great their facilities are. It's just another way for you to advertise your little paradises away from home, isn't it? Stop playing off of people's emotions. These facilities hurt children, not help them. Breaking children isn't helping them to grow. That "tough love" shit is just an excuse to not have to put any effort into REALLY helping them. I'm so pissed off and disgusted right now I can't even type. If anyone wants HONEST opinions about that place email me at bbgrl610@hotmail.com

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Date Posted: 21:03:48 04/01/04 Thu

casa by the sea was the best experience of my life. never once was a girl abused, sexually, physically, or emotionally. i was there for two years...turned 18 and CHOSE to stay and graduate. i cannot imagine my life without casa. nothing in life is perfect or wonderful and everything is not always a vacation. no parent is sent to casa thinking they are sending a child to a resort. parents are not responsible for their child's actions, but they are responsible for their own and must only live with their own. my parents should me how much they love me by sending me to casa, rather then watching my on my self-destructive path. those that post negatively about casa are those who are misinformed, believe what negative things they hear, or are children who have returned home from the program only to return to and continue down a self-destructive path...if not only physically with drugs,etc...but by their negative attitudes on life. it pains me to read these remarks, knowing in my heart that they are not truths, and that the person is so full of anger to try to take something away from those who have reaped the benefits. casa by the sea is a beautiful, wonderful, cherished program by those who decide to take accontabilty of their own lives and be a successful, productive memeber of society. i am thankful for casa and all that it has given me in my life.

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Date Posted: 01:22:54 04/29/04 Thu

we have been there and evaluated the site. we have discussed our concerns with the various counselors and with 87 missed classes in the last report card period and 7 (all)"F"s on his report card, I do not believe that alternatives other than scholastic discipline are warranted. he believes he is going to home schooling! thank you.

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Date Posted: 04:20:43 05/24/04 Mon

what part of the programme worked best for you?

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Date Posted: 13:32:29 06/12/04 Sat

Please provide details about Casa by the Sea. My 16 year old daughter is scheduled to attend for 3 months. Is it a nuturing and supportive environment? Exactly what goes on on a daily basis. What tools did you acquire. How did Casa change you etc. Thank you so very much.

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Date Posted: 16:19:09 06/14/04 Mon

I didn't go to Casa, but to Cross Creek Manor, and years ago at that. I did have a friend that went to casa for about a year, after she was at CCM, and I know that she liked it better at Casa. I'm sure you have the basic info that the program sent you, but just know that it will be lots and lots of therapy, and a very traumatic experience for your daughter. I'm not saying anything bad will happen, it's just the whole being seperated from your family and your life for a minimum of three months is pretty traumatic. Just try not to have too many expectations on what the program can and can't do for your daughter. Some people it really helps, some it really hurts.

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Date Posted: 22:51:09 10/05/04 Tue

I was at Casa for seven months and it was the worst experience of my life. no child deserves to be tortured in an environment such as that present in all wwasp programs

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Date Posted: 11:18:46 12/09/04 Thu

whats up brett how are you mate wot have you been up to

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Date Posted: 13:15:31 03/01/05 Tue

Is this Renen? If it is haha tight shit. Dont do no more GTA out there hommie, mabye one or two. FUCK CASA BY THE SEA!!!!!!

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Date Posted: 23:55:07 01/18/06 Wed

brett man whats up its Reed hit me up sumtime at bigreedlocsta@yahoo.com Fuck casa by the sea im glad all those fathers dont have jobs marcos and bernie can suck my dick

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Date Posted: 23:57:16 01/18/06 Wed

rian whats up brov its reed homie hit me up bigreedlocsta@yahoo.com

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Date Posted: 00:26:09 10/13/04 Wed

i also attended casa and i also believe no child deserves to get placed in that sort of environment. The environment wasnt nurtring or supportive enough one reason being the communication barrier with students and the staff, seeing that most staff members speak little or no english. Every day is spent sitting in a clasroom which is only left to eat and sleep. For the year that i was there there was little change in me and im farther away from my parents then i have ever been. And i know for you you are probably doing this to get a closer relationship with your daughter. A tool every child learns there is not trust. Its the only thing that will get them through the program easily. I think it had more of a negative effect on me then a positive one.

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Date Posted: 13:39:48 11/05/04 Fri

Hey how are you I am doing well I am at home since casa shut down I was dropped in your family esteem maria cazzetta the short one with the dark hair. I hung out with avery alot, just remeber the program wasnt supposed to be fun its what you learned from it and grow to be successful lets move on and forget the past.

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Date Posted: 14:14:55 11/08/04 Mon

whats up maria its holly

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Date Posted: 23:12:35 11/10/04 Wed

maria what is up click on my name and e-mail me

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Date Posted: 12:45:21 11/16/04 Tue

Hey holly how are you? I have been doing ok had some tough times but am getting through them

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Date Posted: 14:23:16 12/17/04 Fri

HI MARIA OH MY GOSH IT'S ME ROMY REMEMBER THE ASIAN GIRL I MISS YOU SO MUCH PLEASE HIT ME UP AT ROMY_LUV_ME @ YAHOO.COM!!!!!!!!!11 I LOVE YOU MARI MEEP MEEP

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Date Posted: 12:57:16 02/07/05 Mon

Hey Emily! I was at casa at the same time as you and I think I might know you!! Were you in the knowledge family?
I was there in sep.2000! PLease e-mail me if you are the Emily that I am hoping you are!!!! I WOULD LOVE TO TALK TO YOU! Lindsay Hausman

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Date Posted: 01:08:38 10/22/04 Fri

I was at Casa by the Sea for one year Sep 16, 2000-Sep 13, 2001. I would strongly suggest sending your daughter elsewhere. Casa by the Sea was completely ineffective for me, and just caused more emotional stress on me. They are not a good program for substance abuse, being that they don't even have meetings for it

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Date Posted: 18:12:26 11/11/04 Thu

Is this the emily that was in esteem family If so do you remember me Jasmin from esteem. Give me a call 8137651015

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Date Posted: 14:20:20 11/21/04 Sun

I remember you. Remember me?

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Date Posted: 18:22:06 11/21/04 Sun

Who r you talking about Ashley If you r talking about me give me a call

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Date Posted: 18:01:15 03/22/05 Tue

Hay i have a new number give me a call casa people 813 334 0791 or email me at evansjasmin@yahoo.com

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Date Posted: 18:23:57 11/21/04 Sun

call me 8137651015

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Date Posted: 01:14:01 12/01/04 Wed


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Date Posted: 01:17:01 12/01/04 Wed

I was at casa by the sea for five months exactly and i left as leverl 4 and ill never forget any of the homies taht helped me out Josh Martines, Darrold Krammer,Chris gallo i smoked a blunt to the dome for ya

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Date Posted: 13:41:55 02/07/05 Mon

hey if you are emily thompson please email me at lindsay4343@aol.com! Thanks! Lindsay Hausman

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Date Posted: 15:01:11 12/06/04 Mon

I would recomend casa Forteens with behavioralproblems muchmore than substance abuse. I attended Casa for two years and am currently struggling with many os the same thingsi was before attending.

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Date Posted: 14:27:45 12/17/04 Fri

HI ILANA IT'S ME ROMY I MISS YOU ALOT I HOPE YOU'RE DOING GOOD I'M DOING ALRIGHT I HOP YOU YOU EMAIL ME I MISS YOU ALOT REMEMBER SICKBED!!!!! ROMY_LUV_ME@YAHOO.COM

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Date Posted: 21:50:48 12/27/04 Mon

Omg please dont even tell me that this is really my sister jew.. man where the heck are you call me or write me punk
snoboarderbabe48@aol.com or (775)5885802... my address is po 257
glenbrook, nv
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Date Posted: 13:44:07 03/09/05 Wed

ILANA! ITS ERICA COWAN FROM THE KNOWLEDGE FAMILY!!!
GLASSES, BEST FRIENDS WITH "ANNE FRANK"< ASHLYE HEGSTAD>....EMAIL ME!

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Date Posted: 18:10:27 11/21/04 Sun

Its funny that i see you on all the chat wed. You never give your name. You have got to be the stupid person that went to casa. They got right to your head. YOu ass dont you see what they did to us. Do you no how many people got raped, killed, abused. Yeah guess not cause any time that something went down we where not alowed to talk about it. It where punished 4 what but we had to act accountable. You know you probably are real unhappy at home and are most likley doing drugs. Casa was a camp to control your mind. You know what they would call me in seminars The nigger, cooten picker you name it. the first week i was their the mommas put me in rr and fucked me up just cause they said that i know spanish when i did not. My friend Jenna buddie killed herself and they said that it was her fuilt. That not even the begainning. You ass you no that kids from casa would not lie. you know what they put us through. wake up. they never gave a fuck about u.

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Date Posted: 08:43:54 12/05/04 Sun

Can you please tell us more about Jenna Buddie?How and when did this happen? please e-mail me, Shannon

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Date Posted: 14:47:12 05/06/04 Thu

You're full and hate and anger. Look at yourself, stop blaming others and get on with your life. Casa is not paradise, but it's not hell either. Some of the most expensive prep schools in the world have worse facilities and certainly less caring staff. Thes guys give you a chance to get on with things with a positive attitude. They break you out of your rut and try to move you on. I did it and I know many ohers who also did it.

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Date Posted: 17:46:27 12/05/12 Wed

I've now changed my e-mail address to carcar716@gmail.com. Anyone, contact me anytime.
www. therealcasa.blogspot.com

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Date Posted: 18:39:26 10/21/04 Thu

jim shut your ass up. how would you know what it is if youve never been there.

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Date Posted: 14:29:30 12/17/04 Fri

HEY BAYS WHAT UP GIRL DAMN STILL REMEMBER THAT DAY WHEN YOU GOT PULLED SHIT I THINK IT WAS TORTA DAY YEAH HIT ME UP K LOVE ROMY ROMY_LUV_ME@YAHOO.COM

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Date Posted: 23:03:22 10/29/04 Fri

casa by the sea is in mexico for a reason... because the stuff going on there is completely illegal in america. I was there for 8 months and it was the biggest joke ever. One day after about 2 weeks of being there I wake up feeling real good and wanting to start working the program. While makeing my bed I dropped something and someone picked it up for me, I replied "thank you" to him nothing more... first cat-3 of the day, I think to myself as im sitting in worksheet its okay no biggie just work off this time my 50 points for the week are gone but hey I can get them back right? Then while eating my daily breakfest of raisin bran with raisins hard as rocks someone offers me a napkin I shake my head nothanks, well the worksheet father saw me and added on another 15 points in worksheet for "non-verbal communication" so now im pretty mad so I just finish my breakfest and im standing in line well an upper level comes by thinking hes all big and bad and power happy decides to give me a cat-2 for not having my feet together... he told me I should be greatful I didnt get 2 cat-2's for looking out of line. So at this point I completely loose it I flip, I just walk up to the second story start punching in windows everywhere and run to the top of the roof and then jump off the 3 story building onto the nice hard cement floor. they come over pick me up hand me a towel for the blood covering my from punching in windows and falling onto the cement floor I somehow managed not to break anything in the fall. They then take me up to R&R aka intervention. they told me to sit in formation. which is with your nose about an inch from the wall your back completely straight and your arms behind your back. I refused to do this and asked if I could just simply sit and have some time to cool off. So they decide .. hrmm well hey if he wont sit in formation let pull his arm behind his back until his wrist touches the back of his head.. then he should ! so they sit there pulling my arm back until it feels like its just going to pop off when that didnt work they decide well on of us hold his arms behind his back while the other punches him in the stomach and chest area about 20 minutes of this and im still refuseing to sit so they decide to take my dried up cuts on my hand from punching the windows and they twist them and make them bigger opening them all up again.. well I guess I made them mad by getting blood all over them so they decide to just kick me while I lay there for a couple minutes then for the rest of the day I decided it best that I sit in formation. well I was in intervention for about 2 months where everyday all I would think about is all the ways I could kill myself. my favorite one was where I smash a window open it stick my head out and slam the window shut in attempt to decapitate myself. the only thing that stopped me was the want to see my old friends. so every morning I wake up around 7 or so sit in that position stareing at a wall with no communication with anyone allowed 3 five minute breaks a day to eat my food with worms in it. til around 8 when I would get my 3 minute "shower" where a trickle of water would fall on my head. after I got out of that I decided Id just fake it. I faked my way all the way to level 5. it was ridiculous. I was just saying everything they wanted to hear acting exactly how they wanted me to. at pc1 I was looking my parents in the face telling them "Im so so sorry ! I love you guys so much" while thinking in my head you fucking pricks I cant believe youd put me in this shithole and try to tell me its just as hard for you to send me here as it is for me to be here when you are the ones eating your nice warm meals at night sleeping in your warm beds having the privledge of flushing your toilet paper down the toilet after it wipes your ass. god I want to murder you both right here right now... I finally got pulled a few days after christmas because of how "good" I was doing in the program. The first thing I did after I got out was tried all the new drugs and drug combinations the other kids in there told me about robbed houses did basically whatever I felt like. Well now I am in college clean and sober have a nice job and apartment of my own and im doing real good and its NO THANKS TO CASA that place is terrible. It was shut down about a month ago when people found out about it. It was shut down because the kids were being physically and mentally abused and the facility didnt meet any code of cleanliness. It is the dirtiest place ive ever been and now they are reopening it. I never once was able to see a doctor for my foot fungus I developed there of for or my anckle which I hurt after jumping off the roof, I recently found out it was broken and healed wrong. There is hundred of thousands of other things I could tell you thats so so wrong and inhuman of casa by the sea but youd never be able to grasp the feeling of emptiness you have living there unless you've ever been there. NO CHILD DESERVES TO BE PUT THERE. I dont care what they are doing ... Kids just need to figure things out on their own sometimes its best for a better to just sit and watch there child crash so that they can learn there lesson. Although there was a minority of kids that went there around 3 percent of the people that went there will tell you its a good place but the other 97 percent had a different experience. but uhh yea... send your kids there for all I care

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Date Posted: 12:19:31 09/18/05 Sun

You're right about the various forms of abuse that go on in WWASP programs being illegal in the US - unfortunately that doesn't stop US WWASP programs from doing the same things they did in Casa, TB, Paradise Cove, etc. I was at Cross Creek Manor from 11/97-6/99, and it was the same story there....

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Date Posted: 23:11:53 10/29/04 Fri

there was so many things that they could of done to make that facility a good place that would actually help teens but it would of costed them money and that place is just a BUSINESS its just another business trying to make a profit so everything they tell you is gonna sound good cause they are trying to make money. the fathers there are mexicans hired off the street with no experience with kids or psychology or anything just random people who apply. the school system is ridiculous I got so many credits there but didnt learn anything and had to take all those classes over again so I could actually learn whats going on. it pisses me off so bad when people say stuff like " Yes, if you were a pain maybe you were restrained, etc. But if you followed the rules all was well. Get used to rules!!! They're every where. But all this whining. Grow up!! " I mean honestly youve never been there you dont know what you are talking about. I told my parents the EXACT same thing your daughter told you, you know why ? Cause I didnt wanna get sent back. Once I was sent there it was like I had to hide all my feelings and thoughts cause I could be punished for them. I wouldnt dare tell my parents how I really felt about the place. What little relationship I had with my parents was completely destroyed when i was sent there and now they think we have this huge good trusting relationship ... but its all fake.. they dont have a clue whats going on in my head. Its turned me into some sort of freak.

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Date Posted: 15:31:40 11/12/04 Fri

My husband and I both worked at Casa by the Sea. It was exactly what it was advertised as-a private boarding school for at risk youth. During the time that my husband and I were at Casa (we worked in three WWASP schools, and were at each for a year) there was never any abuse-emotional, physical, or otherwise that we were aware of. We worked for WWASP because we truly care for teens and their families, and hoped to make a difference in their lives. When Casa closed we were deeply saddened, and so were nost of the girls that we spoke with (we both worked on the female side.) Casa closed because the Mexican government was given false information. My love goes out to all of Casa's students and parents. Ryan and I enjoyed the time we spent with you, and hope you are all continuing to work hard at your familial relationships! God bless you!

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Date Posted: 08:46:50 12/08/04 Wed

First off, How dare you put WWASP and God in the same paragraph? What other schools did you work at? I bet your going to say the food is great, you ate the same as the kids did, kids werent restained "unless the were in danger of hurting themselves or others" you think it is ok for childern to be denied medical care? denied an education? denied contact with authorities to tell their concerns? What education do you have to be working with at risk teens? what degree do you hold? and your spouse? are you a teacher? therapist? counslor? doctor? What the hell makes you an expert on at risk teens? what makes you think your qualified to be restraining kids and placing them in isolation rooms? because they look at the opposite sex? scratch an itch? look out the window? WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE!!!

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Date Posted: 13:27:46 03/01/05 Tue

You fuckin dumb ass , how blind are you and why the fuck would you WANT to work there. Yea girls side, never took a walk to the Library on the boyz side or what? Stop posting false shit. CASA IS HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!dumb bitch

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Date Posted: 20:27:52 04/27/05 Wed

Shane i'm so sorry for your miserable time, i don't know how old u r but i need your advise, i have a 14 yr old boy whom i love dearly but am having alot of trouble with him. He got sent to Alternative learning center at the end of 6th grade and couldn't make it there, got in fights, i took him out and homeschooled him but he won't do his work so back he went, out again, i put him in a privat school, and he got in trouble there, fighting, cussin, won't do his work, i caught him with drugs, took away his dirt bike, i am now at a lose can u tell me what a mom and dad are supposed to do? you say these places like casa are shitholes and it scares me to think of sending him away what would u do in my place?

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Date Posted: 06:54:40 01/06/13 Sun

i remember you and Ryan very well. You got me back into shape and taught me a love of fitness. to this day i still believe you and Ryan were our guardian angels.-Courtney

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Date Posted: 11:39:30 12/18/05 Sun

I was in casa for a year and i cant say that what they did was right I mean making a girl (me) who has just arrived sit and stare at a wall not knowing what in the hell is happening to her for 8 hours because of something that happend before i was even there that is not right. but it deffinetly turned my life around but from what I understand and have been told a lot of awful things happend after I left.

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Shane JOURNEY
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Date Posted: 13:35:01 03/01/05 Tue

All you fuckin people talkin like you were there but you really werent just stop. Let those who were in there speak. Casa is by no way shape or form a place to visit let alone live. The food, support , comunication , hygene , is all the lowest i have ever been in. How do u like putting what you whiped your ass with right beside you to smell it all day. And it does add up. How bout being punished for not speaking a language you dont even speak? so FUCK ALL YOU WHO SAY IT IS SAFE, I WAS THERE AND I KNOW WHAT GOES DOWN. If you were there when it got shut down like me speak now for all the times we couldnt. . .

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Rob Esposito POW Beacon Family
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Date Posted: 16:50:54 04/28/11 Thu

I second everything Shane from Journey said.

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Date Posted: 11:15:12 02/05/04 Thu

I dont think that my stay at casa by the sea was THAT bad I did learn alot of tools that will help me in my life. I have done drugs since i have left though. There were alot of rules, very ridiculous rules but you learn to live with them and learn from them. It was very nasty there and that was a major problem that I had with it. But who do you parents think you are getting on here and telling these kids that they are wrong for feeling the way they do. Did you sit inside the same four walls for months and months and some even years? NO! Were you there everyday? No! Did you have to eat the food and not be able to talk to people and cry yourself to sleep every night because you miss your parents, friends, and life so much?? No! So dont say anything about these kids because although they hated it we had no choice but to deal with it.

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Date Posted: 18:52:57 02/21/04 Sat

How long were you there? Was there any problem if you stuck to the rules. Our son is bipolar and ADHD. How would he fit in thier.

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arielle
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Date Posted: 20:48:52 04/14/04 Wed

i was wondering what casa of the sea is really like-- my friend is going the day after tomorrow and im so scared becasue the ads for the school seem fake--false advertizing......but the kids might make it seem worse than it is. Maybe its somewhere in the middle, Let me know. i miss you already, liss. <3 stanleyyyyy

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Date Posted: 22:57:54 12/13/04 Mon

I heard that Casa by the Sea re-opened. Is that true? My daughter was there for 11 mos. when I pulled her out of there. The whole thing is a cult modeled after Lifespring. My husband had an affair with someone he met in Visions. He claims to have been standing in his excellence. The organization takes no responsiblity for pairing up a married man with a single woman to share intimate detail of their lives. I found out that they want everyone else to be accountable but they avoid it completely. I want my money back. They manipulate people into buying their crap. I'm so glad to be done with these people.

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Shannon
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Date Posted: 08:14:50 12/15/04 Wed

If thats what they did to your husband, imagine what they did to your daughter, you should be more worried about her, He chose to be a unfaithful Husband, He chose to go to the seminars, She was forced to go,you need to get you priorities straight, She is the one you need to worry about! The way you wrote, you want your money back because your husband cant keep his pecker in his pants, not because your child was subjected to a abusive place. You need to talk to your daughter, see if she is ok.

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Date Posted: 02:22:24 04/29/04 Thu

in reply to your posting, it is something with which parents concern themselves deeply- to have a child, which would otherwise not be, a contribution to society. think about it. would you have done it for yourself? i doubt it. take care, i do wish you the best. think about it/.

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Date Posted: 13:51:22 09/24/04 Fri

I was at Casa by the Sea for 7months and i was a boy. I did nothing to go to casa, i dont know, i woke up one morning and these 2 guys brought me. I was there when it got raided for its charges by the Mexican Police. Well, DO NOT SEND YOUR KID TO CASA BY THE SEA!! it is the shittiest place on earth, the showers have no walls and everyone was looking at my small uncircumsized penis. it hurt inside. this worker there, named JOSUE, touched my ass one day and made me suck hiim off. i dont know. it hurts. i will never change. there are too many specs there and I am just a cute lil white boy :).

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Chuck Williamson
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Date Posted: 19:42:03 07/20/04 Tue

It was your choices that led your parents to the conclusion that was where you needed to be. It doesn't appear you learned very much at CBS and I feel sorry for the pain you are sure to bring your parents from here on out.

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Jacque Charveron
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Date Posted: 17:07:17 11/07/04 Sun

I was in the knowledge family too. I spent 7 months at Casa and then was transferred to Spring Creek without my knowledge. I hated that place the whole time I was there. But I can honestly say i did learn a lot. I met a lot of really great people there, to bad I will probably never see them again. It was most definetly the hardest, most challenging thing i have ever gone through. I can alos say that when I got home I was not perfect. I tried new things and still acted as a teenager. To every parent that reads this message, remember, you were once that age too. Instead of punishing them, talk to them. Believe me I know if my parents were just a little bit more involved in my life at that time, things probably would have been different. I believe it was just a stage in my life that almost every other kid the world will probably go through at some point in there life.

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stephanie rasey
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Date Posted: 13:33:32 04/23/05 Sat

hi casa girls you all know i hated that place. love you jackie, mail me

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Sheylane
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Date Posted: 21:54:58 02/10/04 Tue

The court is sending my 12 year old grandson there. Are there any teens that young there? I'm concerned about his safety.

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Leah V
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Date Posted: 23:22:37 04/07/04 Wed

i was at casa for 4 months...it was a good experience for me... it depends how the child wants to take the experience...if they want to cooperate with the program, or rebel... it's their choice... the people their will guide them to a better life but everything is up to them... casa does have some flaws... but it is a good experience for troubled teens to go through... sure you gain alittle weight... but you could always lose it.. Your nephew will be okay... they have guards and everything... nothing bad will happen to him... they watch him 24/7 he'll never be alone in a room... it's not as bad as it seems..

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Date Posted: 23:28:07 09/12/04 Sun

is this leah voss from integrity?

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mike mc
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Date Posted: 02:27:31 04/29/04 Thu

my step son is going there this month and from reports from4 other couples within my very own corporation, i have heard nothing but positive things. have faith, reply and believe in your child. there is good there. mike

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Date Posted: 15:00:56 05/06/04 Thu

I bet all the people you talked to about Casa by the Sea were parents. Speak with some TEENS that were there, maybe you should even see if you could spend a day there and see how we were treated. For once I wish that parents would open their eyes and see that PEOPLE LIE. The programs aren't as helpful as a lot of people are saying that they are. I think that parents should have to go thru some of the things that we had to go thru and maybe they would change their minds about sending their kids there. There are other alternatives. Just look around the WWASP programs are NOT as good as a lot of people say they are. The only reason people learn from them is because they want to get out of there as soon as possible. Think about it.

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Kim
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Date Posted: 12:05:19 06/18/04 Fri

I'm looking for information from someone whose been to Casa by the Sea. My Nephew was just taken there yesterday. I need to know what goes on there, good and bad. I'm afraid. I've read horror stories and you're right the parents say the good things the kid that were there tell the horror stories. I don't know what to believe. I don't like the fact that it is out of the county and you cannot talk to your child unless they earn the right to speak with you. Are these not still our children?

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camille
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Date Posted: 19:43:06 06/22/04 Tue

rae anne
remember me? i was an upper level when you got pulled. i graduated unfortatly. i have been home for 1 yr. and have been doin pretty good. i have a job live with my boyfriend havent done any drugs in school. how are you?

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madison meiser "madi"
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Date Posted: 06:38:09 09/30/04 Thu

Hi camille I dont know if your the camille I know but do you remeber me i was on upper lvels fpr a short tim before i got pulled I slept across from you and tehani!!! we were friends is this you???

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camille
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Date Posted: 14:33:09 10/26/04 Tue

mad dog i love you an dmiss you me and tehani always talk and we were wondering how you are doing

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Madison Meiser
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Date Posted: 09:39:35 11/04/04 Thu

Hey Camille!!! I am so happy that its really you!!!! I always think about you and tehani!!!! I really want to talk to you guys!! I have been going crazy to find friends from casa!!!I really want you to email me!! How is Tehani is she still in Hawaii?? How are you!!! I miss you and love you guys too!!! Well email me at madi15022003@yahoo.com
Love Mad-dog!!

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camille
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Date Posted: 12:04:13 11/04/04 Thu

Mad dog, i do not have email but i just texted teheni yours

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camille
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Date Posted: 13:33:27 11/04/04 Thu

madi i hust emaild you from my friends call me asap love ya

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Chuck Williamson
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Date Posted: 19:45:06 07/20/04 Tue

RaeAnn,
So why were you sent to CBS? It was your choices. You have not learned anything and I feel sorry for your parents. You will surely cause them pain for the rest of their lives with your attitude. Take responsibility for your decisions that led to sending you there.

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shannon
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Date Posted: 08:57:05 12/05/04 Sun

Chuck, It was not her choice to be sent! I cant believe you program people, I hope your kids treat you the same when your old and a pain in their ass! to a home you go! just remember you didnt believe them when they cried abuse, Im sure they will have no problem returning the favor, you sick suck!

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Madison Meiser
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Date Posted: 06:32:20 09/30/04 Thu

My name is madison and i was at Casa by the sea from march 2002 till november 2002 I was first in knowledge then alliance and then made it to upper levels I was pulled on level 4 I am trying to find friends that were there with me I miss them and would like to contact them. i would say the friends i made was the only good thing about Casa!!

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crissa parker
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Date Posted: 16:33:30 12/14/04 Tue


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crissa parker
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Date Posted: 16:36:46 12/14/04 Tue

yeah i went to casa for a couple of months, i was in alliance it did help me alot as for as acting on impulse goes if there is anybody who went there from may 2004 to sept 2004 let me know especially if you were in alliance i miss all my ladies so much

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Roumduol Borath
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Date Posted: 13:54:34 12/17/04 Fri

hi crissa ! it's me romy i am so sorry i haven't called you i've been very busy with my senior year and things are going rough for me. i was very suprised when i saw you name here i love you girl take care my buricua!!!love romy

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Roumduol Borath
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Date Posted: 14:18:41 12/17/04 Fri

crissa or any body else in alliance or knows me please hit me up at romy_luv_m@yahoo.com please hit me up it's been awhile since i said a double ll i ance our purpose yeah you know the rest well holla back

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brittany h
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Date Posted: 13:30:17 02/24/04 Tue

i was at casa by the sea for 3 months. it was the 3 worst months of my life, i would never recomend for anybody to go there. the websites they have for the school are totally bogus and dont represent the true school, and what its all about. i have been out for 4 and a half months and i still cry when thinking about it b/c it was such a shitty experience. the seminars involve brainwashing, they try to con your parents into getting you to stay longer so they can get more money out of them, the food sucks and makes you gain massive weight, i gained 25-30 lbs in 3 months. they phsyically, mentally, and sexually abuse the kids sent there. it is a horrible place.

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Melodie
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Date Posted: 13:12:21 02/26/04 Thu

I know kids probably don't like the rules and rules and rules. But I need some objective information from any teen that can get past the rules, rules, rules. Did it help you?Are you more motivated and organized? Did you gain any tools that you can use for the rest of your life that maybe gave the place any redemning qualities? My son is failing high school despite all the help he has received. So, can anybody out there give me a fair evaluation of Casa by the Sea?

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RaeAnne
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Date Posted: 15:07:00 05/06/04 Thu

The only thing that I learned there is that my parents cared so much about me to send me to somewhere that they thought that would help me. the only reason that I am doing so well now is becasue I realized that they are the most important people in my life. not the drugs, not sex, not drinking but my family. if you want to help your kids make them think that you care about them not what they are doing. make them see that no matter what they do you will love them, but don't put up with their shit. if they think that you really really care about them they will realize what they are doing to you, and start caring about you. i didn't mind the rules at casa by the sea, it was the abuse, verbal, mental, physical, and yes even sexual. these programs if anything hurt us more than they help. imagine being behind 4 walls for 1, 2, 3 or how ever many years, then try to start a life outside of those walls. I have been home since January 2003 after spending 18 months locked up. I came home almost 18 years old. I had no idea how to live. I still struggle every day. think about it.

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Arianne
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Date Posted: 12:58:57 03/26/04 Fri

My best friend just got sent to casa by the sea and i am very mad at her parents. they jsut GAVE up on her. Someone from my school jsut got back from that place and told us the worst stories about it and how he would get beat and then try to run away and then get beat even more. i need to know mroe about it if you can plase help. thanks a lot.

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Julie
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Date Posted: 09:07:54 05/06/04 Thu

Casa was a definite learning experience for me....

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Date Posted: 00:53:13 07/15/04 Thu

I think that the WWASP programs are horrible. Someone that I love very much was sent to CASA BY THE SEA 3 months ago, and I am not allowed to talk to him. The staff has been keeping letters that he sends to his mom, and pre-reading the letters that she has sent him. His mom actually had to lie and say that I was his sister in order for him to get pictures of me. It is so ridiculous. Anyone who is thinking of sending their children there should think again. PLEASE visit www.isaccorp.com before you make a final decision. About 9 of the WWASP schools have been shut down due to abuse, and other factors. The students now have numbers, instead of being called by name, and they are not allowed to communicate with each other. Casa by the Sea is runned by dirty beaners who don't even have degrees. For $5,000 a month can't you find something better to do with your children than send them away to some strangers???

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Date Posted: 17:49:26 10/15/04 Fri

i was at casa too. mar 03 to sep 04. it was the worst experience of my life. that place fucked me up more then it helped me. but if you were there when i was..hit me up! maybe ill know you.

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crissa parker
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Date Posted: 16:49:47 12/14/04 Tue

hey nikki i dont really remeber you what family were you inany ways if any one was in alliance call me at 1(909)3932247

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Date Posted: 06:00:48 10/21/04 Thu

you hate yourself

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nick
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Date Posted: 10:26:50 09/13/04 Mon

Finally!

casa by sea SHUT DOWN by Mexican GOv

"good experience my ass!"

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Date Posted: 00:45:01 09/18/04 Sat

i was there the whole time it got shut down it was more chaotic when they told us we were going home then it was before... chaos broke out... the place did not beat its kids it restrained them when they got out of control or opposed a threat to themselves orothers .. phsycological abuse, the process of desocialization is practiced in order to be able to redefine with society in working wayd ive been home about a week now everything is goosd the program was prolonged yes i agree but it did get me off drugs cold turkey and im far better off now.... the place wasnt hell of where i was before was hell this place wasnt a paradise for one reason so you wouldnt get comfortable and would work to get home not to work to stay there if we got pina coladas and got to relax on the beach no one would work to go home.. yea the place messed with you head but it made you a lot smarter . i spent a year there i got highschool done and me and my parents have better comm. on my way out i constantly heard kids feed their parents with crap about this place parents check your kids wheres the trust at if theyre ganna spoon feed you crap! kids..have fun at cross creek ..

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Date Posted: 22:28:54 10/03/04 Sun

I was in Casa By the Sea from january 2002 to august of 2003. I was taken off of drugs cold turkey also. and guess what after about 2 1/2 months of going to NA CA and AA everyday i relapsed harder than I ever had before. Guess what else I graduated at level 6. Top notch. Im not saying it didn't help me at all, but I believe that alot of the things it taught were unrealistic and i found that out once i got home. My advice to you would be dont hang around the wrong people and that doesnt mean just old friends because sooner or later you'll fall.

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Date Posted: 22:33:12 09/13/04 Mon

I attended casa by the sea for 15 months.The staff had no experience with troubled youth and worked on minimum wage.I found out my grand father and good family friend died through an email-i was unable to go to the funeral and the way the letters were presented were insensitive.

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Cleo
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Date Posted: 00:21:21 09/14/04 Tue

okokok xena i did it finally. yr a genious i think because u did it too and got me the url.. so now what.. i as at casa for 18 months.
i want to find my friends.. i cant believe you didntpost yr email xena.... good thing i already have it...
hey grrls drop me a line if yr allowed.. i would really dig hearing from some old mates.....
I AM IN CANADA
and i heart it here.. so much...

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Stephanie
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Date Posted: 22:31:42 10/03/04 Sun

When were you in Casa By the Sea. I was there from 2002 to end of 2003. Im trying to look for someone to her name is Gwen Raymond and I have no idea how to find her. Have any advice? It's hella hard to find people. e-mail me back and let me know whats up.

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Stephanie
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Date Posted: 22:34:25 10/03/04 Sun

Does anyone know how to find old friends from Casa? I sooooooo badly want to find my friend Gwen and everywhere I've tried i Get know where. I was in the program from January 2002 to August of 2003 (thats when i graduated) Anyone that was in at that time please e-mail me. Or if anyone else has any info for me please e-mail me also. Thank you sooooooo much.... Much love

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madison meiser
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Date Posted: 13:33:26 10/06/04 Wed

Hi Stephanie
I was at casa by the sea for a little while you were there. If your the stephanie i remember did you at all drop in to alliance family? Do you remember Roses? I remember gwen but i was pulled before she turned 18.

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Jenna Petty
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Date Posted: 23:31:35 04/06/05 Wed

Gwen with brown hair, who could draw really well?? I was in Alliance with a Gwen but i left nov 2001.
Jenna

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megan
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Date Posted: 00:13:30 01/27/06 Fri

hey stephanie,
were you in the merit family? i dont know ever even get on this anymore or if you're even who i think you are (ya know any les miserables songs?)... but ive been trying to find tanya... ive talked to kelly haskins awhile back and amanda slipped me her number before i left but i unfortunately never called her... well if you remember me and want to talk email me

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Date Posted: 17:25:59 11/07/04 Sun

My name is Jasmin Evans and i am looking for Chenal R and Stephanie E, Crystal B, and any one that was at casa by the sea during 1999 to 2001 call me at 813 765 1015

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Jade
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Date Posted: 07:41:20 11/10/04 Wed

Jasmine Evans, this is Jade Colliver. It's Jade Isaacs now because I got married. I was enrolled at Casa in Oct. '99 through April 2001. Do you remember me?

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Jasmin t evans
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Date Posted: 16:19:53 11/11/04 Thu

Yes girl give me a call once you get this? My number is 8137651015 Jasmin

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Date Posted: 20:41:30 03/20/12 Tue

I was in courage around that time anyone remember me chante larson

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Ashley
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Date Posted: 14:25:15 11/21/04 Sun

It's Ashley remember me? I got transferred to CCM and met another chick named Jade. Actually she used to be at CBS

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katie yerkey
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Date Posted: 21:21:00 12/07/04 Tue

what up jade this is katie i was at casa in the courage family. email me.

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Jenna Petty
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Date Posted: 22:42:54 04/06/05 Wed

HEY (and hi jasmin) if you were in alliance 2000-2001 or remember me, this is Jenna Petty- email me jlpetty@gmail.com

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Jade
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Date Posted: 17:35:41 01/12/05 Wed

Hey everyone. I was enrolled at Casa in October 1999 and I was pulled in April 2001. I'm trying to find Meg Bell and LEora Martin. If anyone knows how to reach them, can you let me know? This is Jade Isaacs. It used to be Jade Colliver. My home phone # is 937-393-9694. I live in Ohio now. Thanks.

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Lindsay Hausman
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Date Posted: 15:46:40 02/11/05 Fri

Hey Jade! I don't know if you will remember me, but I remember you! I was a lower level in the Knowledge family in Sep.2000-Jan.2001. When I got pulled from the program, Leora Martin was in my family. Well I was just wondering if you knew a few people and if you know what happened to them or if you know how to get a hold of them! Mariah G., Stephanie Pollard, Ashley Petterson and Elizabeth Kingsbury! Thanks! e-mail me at Lindsay4343@aol.com Lindsay Hausman

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Christopher Reisenauer (March-sep 2001 6 months of my life ruined)
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Date Posted: 07:14:09 04/25/12 Wed

I was at casa for 6 months when I was 16. It was march-September 2001, I was in loyalty family I'm looking for old friends, and other people that were there when I was so I can express and talk w them, feels like a dream, kinda like it never happened. At least I wish it never did. Ever since that day I can't function right around big crowds and I'm constantly secluding myself from everyone. And it's crazy cause my family will never know what went on there, no it wasn't hell, the only reason I say that is cause I speak fluent Spanish and I seemed to be favored a little. But don't get it fucked up it was a experience. Makes jail feel like nothing... Worksheet and r&r are no joke. I sat in worksheet for 12 hours easily working off 15 points listening to those damn Albert Einstein tapes sitting on those 12 inch prices of wood having to sit with your head straight looking at a dot on the wall, knees together feet together hands on knees. Then have to take tests on what we listen to. I have a lot of memories but no one knows what I'm talking about
Brings tears Whats up my eyes thinking about the things I have been through but all I can say is that I am who I am and I will never be who I was before, sad but it's reality, take it day by day try not to think bout it and stay positive.

Email : Kneedeep@ymail.com


Anyone have same story, let your voice be heard...

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Cynthia Hutchison
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Date Posted: 19:19:42 05/15/07 Tue

Hi, Xena! Please email me at 3yn20h9a@msn.com. I want to be in touch with you and your family. Hope everything is good, please write back! Love, love, Cynthia Hutchison

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xena B
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Date Posted: 01:32:49 09/14/04 Tue

I want to find my friends too-where's Randi koetz?

thank cleo

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Cleo
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Date Posted: 14:46:24 09/14/04 Tue


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Cleo
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Date Posted: 14:48:10 09/14/04 Tue

WHERE IS RANDI KOETZZ?????????????
coats on hangers.
me miss u grrl and sara longjohnsilverpantsindipidy!!!
cummon grrrrls.... speak up and lets all have a reunion. cuz i miss u.
yayaya xena and i are having one in like a week wooot!
get yr bum bum over here to canada!
cuz it of course like i have said all along... RULES!!!!

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Ryan
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Date Posted: 00:39:52 04/30/05 Sat

Im a friend of her brother Jade, We use to hang out back in the day. Im sorry but I have really bad fucked up news if you havnt heard already. Please email me...I hope to get the familys number tomarrow I havnt talked to them in years.

four9

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Date Posted: 20:42:56 09/14/04 Tue

my friend was sexually assulted by the designated driver who took her to the airport the day she took her exit plan-he bought her a hotel and tried to have sex with her than begged her not to tell administration-I have encouraged her to speak up but she chooses not to-that is a vunerable situation to be the day of your 18th birthday-although i learned a lot from my experiances there I dissagree with certain methods and feel the school was completely unsanitary-everyone has their own opinion

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Stephanie
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Date Posted: 22:40:08 10/03/04 Sun

Who was your friend? Thats some messed up shit. Tell her there's more people than just you who have her back. Im all for people's rights (especially us women). If there is anything i can do to help please let me know. Just e-mail me at princess_n_lavadio@hotmail.com . The reason why i ask who it was is because im looking for the best friend that i had in casa her name is Gwen. I have no idea how to find her and before i left she told me that she might be leaving on her 18th birthday (taking her exit plan) this may help you. I was in the program from january 2002 to august 2003 19 long months of my life. please get ahold of me.

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Howard Sauerwald
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Date Posted: 05:20:58 09/15/04 Wed

turtlexx420@aol.com 661-831-4261

if you have noticed that the females liked the program because they were treated diffrently from the boys duh of course the girls were treated diffrent that was the worst expierence of my life and i am happy to now be able to forget about that place and everything there shout out to josh martinez, darrold krammer, derek sauyer, alfredo figuroa and to the worker raquel that helped me so much

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Date Posted: 23:29:53 09/26/04 Sun

I was at Casa for 2 months, although I learned a lot I do not recommend ANYONE to send their children here if it re-opens. I was there when it was shut down, and I truely believe it was a gift from God...The things I learned could have happened just as easily in a less hell-on-earth-ish abusive environment. I'm 17 and I consider myself mature for my age. Not only was I at the butt of the staff's mental abusive ways, but I found myself unable to speak more than a few words at a time during my stay, and it made me an easy target for the other kids! I thank Casa for helping me, but I thank God for punishing every one of the people involved in that gigantic scandal.

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brett Ballantyne
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Date Posted: 22:57:12 10/05/04 Tue

I was at Casa for 7 months and got pulled at level 4. It was terrible there and I am glad it got shut down. Shout out to Ethan Johnson, JJ stinson, Houston Jimenez, Jesse Cruz, Brit parker, and Shaine Manning.

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TTR
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Date Posted: 14:40:01 10/14/04 Thu

I was a student at a wwasp facility. If i never went there I would be in jail or dead. I am thankful for what i took from the program because i have learned things about myself that most adults never will. I'm nineteen, a highschool drop out(still so), program graduate/ + series 7 liscensed stockbroker which never would have been possible if i had never attended the program. If i had to point out the most important thing i learnd, I would have to say that i am accountable for myself so there is no reason to whine or complain about anything. If you are frusterated with your current situation(whatever that might be) see how you got there and make every decision you can to change that. I am not a straight edge by any means (I'm crooked if anything) But i would vouch for wwasps methods any day. I'd send my own kid just for the soul perpose of building charecter. Parents are so clueless.
Most of you parents need help more than your kids.

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JaSMIN EVANS
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Date Posted: 17:27:24 11/07/04 Sun

I am looking for any girl that weas in esteem family during 1999 to 2001 call me at 8137651015

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jade
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Date Posted: 07:48:10 11/10/04 Wed

Jasmine this is jade, i'm the girl that got sent there with stephanie hawk my best friend. Do you remember us? we're from ohio?

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jasmin
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Date Posted: 16:22:44 11/11/04 Thu

Girl give me a call yes i remember you 8137651015

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jasmin evans
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Date Posted: 18:20:18 03/28/05 Mon

I have a new # it is 813 334 0791 and my email is evansjasmin@yahoo.com

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jasmin evans
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Date Posted: 10:23:20 11/12/04 Fri

Jade give me a call after 9:00 tonight Today is Friday the 11 of Nov. My number is 8137651015

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Sebastian
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Date Posted: 16:52:49 10/14/04 Thu

i just got out of casa and all i got to say is that kids have been beat there and molested but it really isn't an every day occurance. WWasp programs are a business so naturally they are more worried about their income then your child. That is why they advertise like your kid is going to a summer camp when really the place is worse then juvenile hall. your kid doesn't need a program to be on the right track. I left level one and i'm off drugs and doing good in school, it's a personal choice.

Stay reppin dc
holla at respect family
C-bass

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Brown
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Date Posted: 10:08:19 10/15/04 Fri

You are right, it is a personal choice. If anyone decides that they want to give up drugs they can do it. Or give up any bad behavior for that matter.

About the abuse and molestation you say that you saw while you were there. I just have to be honest, I don't believe you. You see I too went to the program. In the time that I was there, I never saw any of it. While I didn't go to Casa, I did go to another facility. And when I graduated and went to PC3 I got to talk to others from other facilities, and naturally we asked about rumors about the other facilities. No one there, ever said that there was any abuse at any of their facilities. And this was after graduation, so they didn't have to worry about anu repricussions.

While I congradulate you on being clean from drugs and other things. Be careful. I have been out for a number of months now and it is a daily struggle to keep it up. Don't now or ever take it for granted. I also really encourage you to really look back, and get over your anger, and look at Casa honestly. No one said that it was an easy process that you were apart of, but don't go here and exaggerate what you saw or heard.

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davidwalker
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Date Posted: 15:58:31 10/16/04 Sat

that place was really a shithole, but at least there were only one or two kids that died. there were some pretty fucked up elements to that environment. i don't want to overdramatize the situation, but only give the facts. i don't argue with the theory that some kids who are following negative paths need structure and guidance, but not the kind that is administered rectally.

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Date Posted: 16:09:17 10/16/04 Sat


I spent too much time at Casa By the sea. Thats pretty much all i can say; I had sexual intercourse with Luke, Dace, and Jason all at the same time . but wait, there were bad expierences too. The chicken mole -yea, seagulls- and the mayonaise chicken was undoubtedly the WORST food I have EVER eaten in my life. hey dace!!!!!! remember that pipe on the third floor????? lol im sure ya do, me and james smoked for months. Corrupt place that Casa by the sea may you all contract severe genetial diseases like me.

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Date Posted: 05:27:53 10/20/04 Wed

R U The Cris cross that was at scl? Ha Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha thats funny... your funny

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steve baxter
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Date Posted: 23:26:26 01/11/05 Tue

david its steve baxter give me a call 619 863 5776

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Xena Blair
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Date Posted: 19:46:23 10/21/04 Thu

I miss my friends

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Camille
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Date Posted: 14:40:27 10/26/04 Tue

Zena do you remember me and cleo too. I was there when you were and you guys were my friends? do you remember? i want to get in contact with you guys!!!!

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Xena Blair
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Date Posted: 22:22:58 11/01/04 Mon

ya I remember you camille whats up-email me at babyblair18@yahoo.com -I've been out almost a year now.

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JASMINE WHITTEN
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Date Posted: 00:00:56 10/23/04 Sat

Hey guys this is Jasmine. I was there for 15 months and graduated in July this last summer. I went to level 6 and got shift-leader and did the whole nine yards. Yes a lot of stuff was un-realistic but so much of it wasn't. I learned the most important tools and lessons I will ever learn in there. It saved my life and my future. And hell yes it sucked a lot of the time and I just wanted to give up but I didn't and that place didn't let me. I am moving on with my life. I met some of the best friends that I will have for the rest of my life. I am about to go visit JJ Stinson in AZ on Monday. I talk to a number of my closest friends who saw me at my best and know what I am capable of. They will always be able to remind me of a world that most people never have the oppurtunity to look at from an outside picture or in a locked up state of mind. Freedom is inside.
Love to everyone...I wish that everyone would have gotten what I did out of it.
Jasmine

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Jacque Charveron
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Date Posted: 17:17:27 11/07/04 Sun

Jasmine were you in Knowledge family?

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jasmin evans
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Date Posted: 16:25:10 11/11/04 Thu

yes but 4 only bout two week i was put thier on level 2 pro from level 4. Give me a call. 8137651015

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jasmin evans
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Date Posted: 16:26:34 11/11/04 Thu

Yes girl but only 4 i think a 2 weeks give me a call 8137651015

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kelly
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Date Posted: 16:06:01 11/17/04 Wed

hey jasmine, it's kelly o'neill from odyssey. whatsup? how have you been? hows the music career going? email me myessenceis@yahoo.com

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Joslyn Summerset
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Date Posted: 17:32:36 11/21/04 Sun

KELLY>>>> DO you remeber me!!! Joslyn, from the merit family!!!

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Troxler from loyalty fam in 02
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Date Posted: 01:19:56 10/28/04 Thu

There seems to be very different views on Casa by the Sea. No i didnt have fun and i did hate it but i learned alot from my experience. if i didnt partake in that 'program' i wouldnt be where i am today. i dont know whats going on now b/c its been a while since i was there but i know the kids from loyalty fam and the fam rep jaime are the best you can ask for. god bless and be strong.
-will troxler
level 4 drop out

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TTR SCL01-03
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Date Posted: 13:33:36 10/28/04 Thu

The wwasp program in montana was great! I hated being there for 2 years but it was worth it. I would recommened the seminars to everyone. I think most people in this world are unhappy because they are unaccountable to themselves. Every kid that talks about abuse and coruption going on, deserves to be there because they're lying. I would tell any parent to put their child in a program for a few months. It builds character and makes you appreciate things more. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. I am stronger because of the Program. I would definitly send one of my kids one day if needs be. I would like to meet all of you dissing the program. You probebly all hate yourselves/situations... or will in the future. Don't you have more productive things to do with your lives? Probebly Not. Still mad at everyone else huh? Start blaming yourself. Thats the key in life:) Feel free to respond to this message if it hit home for you and pissed you off.

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Andy Taylor
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Date Posted: 14:36:54 11/16/04 Tue

My name is Andy. Iwas part of the Bold family a few yrs back. I'm not trying to exagerate of convince u other wise that Casa by the Sea can easily be considered horrible. The mental anguish and severe abuse displayed daily made me feel like I was a prisoner of war. I now have a mental illness that Casa by the Sea contributed to. I remember looking thru the eyes of every single teen that there was with me and seeing helplessness from the horrific discipline displayed every day. The fact that we could not talk to each other let alone have a full stomach and the overbearing psychosis that we received from starring at cubicles. I do not wish this program upon anyone. I will try my best to have that shithole shut down. Those who have endured what I endured I will pray for you. All I can say to the owners and their rules is God have mercy on their souls.

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Joslyn Summersedt
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Date Posted: 16:48:11 11/21/04 Sun

Xena Cleo!!!! Do you girls remember..... cute black girl Merit Family, I gort pulled on level 4

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steve baxter
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Date Posted: 23:39:40 01/11/05 Tue

i was at casa from 02-04 i was in respect family david walker if you get this give mehe a call 619 863 5776 or any other people that i knew/

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Blackman
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Date Posted: 14:22:33 03/09/05 Wed

all i have to say bout casa is its a peice of shit. Fuck the haters but got love for the homies. i faked my way to level 4 and parents loved it. but now im back on the block still smokin so FUCK CASA BY THE SEA. Reppin Freedom BITCH

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Jessica Lundin (Buxton)
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Date Posted: 18:19:44 01/23/06 Mon

I have been out of Casa for almost 2 years now. I can say honestly, I've never gone back to drugs or any of the other things that made me a minster. It was not Casa by the sea that changed me. I still want to cry when I think of that place. No child should have to feel so alienated. I became depressed when I went there. My mom has said something inside of me died while I was there. I was mentally broke down and humiliated. I've been married now for a year and sometimes it's still so hard to tell my husband what happened to the last 2 years of my childhood. Ill never forgive my dad for making me miss the memories I could have had going to prom or senior year or anything. It was stolen from me. That place is not a place to improve a person. Its a fucking excuse to get your kids off your hands. If you don't want to be man/woman enough to take care of your child, then by God, your legs should have stayed closed. What kind of parent are you to just hand your kids over to complete strangers? Love your kids instead of killing them inside.

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Date Posted: 21:47:10 03/29/04 Mon

My daughter has been at Cross Creek Manor for 2 months now. I am very confused. I have just stumbled across these websites and they are really worrying me. So far my daughter has been up and down in the program. Has anyone out there experienced CCM. If so, please respond.

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MOLLY
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Date Posted: 11:12:10 04/07/04 Wed

i was at ccm for 17 months, and then i went back after i graduated for another year....and i think that cross creek is only for the kids who are on the verge of killing themselves....so if you just sent your kid there because he/she was in some drug trouble and acted up, i wouldnt keep them there. thats why my parents sent me there the first time, and i think it corrupted me more then helped. i ended up leaving the place knowing more about drugs and other things then i EVER knew before....

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Date Posted: 05:12:19 04/25/04 Sun

ANN - if you are seeking answers about Cross Creek, feel free to email me and I can recount for you my experience as well as the experiences of some people who were very close to me...It isn't pretty, but if you want to know the truth I'll give it to you straight...I won't say I didn't get something good out of it, but it wasn't enough to outweigh the hardships...

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Ashley
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Date Posted: 18:15:49 05/01/04 Sat

I graduated from CCM. Controversey is always amidst these types of places. I have no regrets. If you'd like I'll tell you more. E-mail me

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RaeAnne
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Date Posted: 15:10:27 05/06/04 Thu

I was at CCM for 7 1/2 months. The only thing that it helped me with was loving my family. while there i realized that my family is most important in my life. seminars pushed me away from everything, especially when people get in your face calling you a slut whore a nother fuck at a party etc. some pretty harsh stuff is said. if you are planning on keeping your kid there get used to nasty letters that they are forced to write to you. once I had to write to my mom telling her how much i hate her and how i wish she died. these are the kind of therapy assignments that we got.

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Anonymous
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Date Posted: 22:33:58 06/07/04 Mon

This many kids, who are posting for so many years, have not collectively organized just to waste their time posting info. I was there, and everything is true. If you call the program, they will of course deny everything. Hell, the parent manual has already pre-excused them for everything they intend to do to your daughter (she'll manipulate, she just wants to come home, etc.). The rest of us are already home and many over age 18- nothing to gain or lose- except that we feel a moral obligation to share our experiences in order to keep them from repeating themselves over again. Call your city's local organizations, find a day program, call your health insurance and see what is possible. WWASP would love for you to think they are your only option - not true. If nothing else, bring your kid home and call the cops the first time you find drugs. The legal system for juveniles is not punitive, it is rehabilitative. She will get court ordered rehab or time at a ranch locally, places that have standards and that you can visit. Why would you trust a place that won't let you have an unsupervised call with your own child? She is scared to death to talk bad about the place or tell you the truth, because if she does and you tell the program, she'll drop to level one. That means several more months working back up in levels until she goes home. She's in survival mode right now, it's such a scary environment and she needs you. So few parents are able to admit, wow, I really made a bad choice. YOU are the parent, YOU are responsible for her, YOU can go there tomorrow and make a new choice.

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Date Posted: 16:57:04 05/28/04 Fri

I have my daughter at Cross Creek Manor in LaVerkin, Utah, and I am looking for some help. I have read some personal experience messages and some are good others are bad. I am confused of what kind of program this really is.

Please respond with your messages.
thanks.

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Melissa
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Date Posted: 15:42:40 10/20/02 Sun

Hey Danielle I was at the Manor at the same time as you!! I was there from Oct 96 to the summer of 99.. I was in G group

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Sarry Simms
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Date Posted: 13:51:18 11/18/02 Mon

I too have a step sister who is 16 entered into cross creek. I'm very worried about her. Her father did not want to sent her, however, her mother got a court order. Anyone know what can be done, if anything, to get her out? Her father was told it was a 6 month deal, only to find out she has been admitted for 18 months!!!! Any information, would help me.

Thanks

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eric smith
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Date Posted: 01:10:27 12/31/02 Tue

i do not know you at all. my sister was in kids in nj-my brother straight(suicide)-i a sibling in both. my heart ripps for your story-i found this site tonight at work-i am in grief-i can only say that you were truly a victim and that pure love spews to you and all-truly you are a hero and a pillar of stregth for telling your story-i believe you 100%and will say that you now have your voice-please use it-tell all and any who will listen for victory lies in the speaking of truth-as you rise by gods law they fall-love is your weeapon-spred it-thats how this is beaten-we are one in this fight-be an individual and lovre yourself-eric smith

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Sheylane
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Date Posted: 21:58:31 02/10/04 Tue

Did you find out any information about getting her out, since it was a court order?

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Julie
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Date Posted: 20:32:24 12/24/02 Tue

I remember the scabies outbreak. Email me.

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RYAN FRAIDENBURGH
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Date Posted: 23:12:14 03/18/03 Tue

HI MY NAME IS RYAN, I SPENT FOUR MONTHS AT CASA BY THE SEA. I WAS ABUSED THERE OVER AND OVER. I COULDNT SPEAK ENGLIGH. I WAS IN R&R FOR 72 HOURS WITH DUCK TAPE AROUND MY WRISTS AND MY MOUTH WHILE MY CHIN WAS FORCED FLAT ON THE CEMENT. THERE WAS A HOSE IN R&R CHAMBER JUST TO WASH BLOOD OFF THE WALLS. MY DAD FILED CHARGES AGAINST CASA BY THE SEA IN 01 FOR HORRIBLE LIVING CONDITIONS, MENTAL ABUSE, AND SERIOUS PHYSICAL ABUSE. CASA BY THE SEA ISSS A CONCINTRATION CAMP. FOR ALL YOU PARENTS, IF U REALY CARE ABOUT UR KID PLEASE DONT SEND HIM OR HER TO CASA BY THE SEA. GIRLS HAVE BEEN RAPED THERE AND IVE BEEN TORTURED OVER AND OVER. IF YOU REALY LOVE YOUR KID U WOULDNT SEND YOUR KID TO A PLACE WHERE HE CANT EVEN SPEAK ENIGLISH OR LOOK OUT WINDOWS OR EVEN HAVE CONTACT WITH YOU. TO ALL THE SURVIVORS IN FREEDOM FAMILY I PRAY AND HOPE YOU SURVIVED LIKE I DID. BEST WISHES TO ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN THROUGH WHAT I HAVE. BEING IN THE US. IS THE BEST THING IN THE WORLD AND I FEEL ALL YOU KIDS WHO HAVE EXPIERENCED ALL THOSE NIGHTS OF CRYING TO GOD ASKING TO GO HOME WHERE U BELONG. I FEEL ALL OF YOU GUYS. GOD BLESS YOU. YOUR HOME!!

ALL YOU CASA BY THE SEA SURVIORS CONTACT ME AT RY27R@AOL.COM TO CATCH UP ON ALL THOSE HARD TIMES OF THOSE DIRTY MEXICANS BEATING THE HELL OUT OF US. PEACE

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TwilightFire
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Date Posted: 09:57:44 02/13/04 Fri

i hear people get assfucked there is that true

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Date Posted: 18:19:39 02/16/04 Mon

only if ure there buster.

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KIMBERLY MEYERS
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Date Posted: 23:25:10 02/17/04 Tue

I have a friends son who is there, he seems to be doing well, was thinking of sending my own son. After reading all of these comments.... I do not want my son to be tortured into being a responsible and conscience person. I want him to be taught that love, trust, respect and consistancy are what relationships are built on not intimidation.. Please write if you have any comments. My friends name is Tom. Very concerned about this situation. Reading the info on line is what you want to hear, but what really goes on, obviously, is another story. Please comment! A concerned loving mother!!!!

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RaeAnne Parker
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Date Posted: 14:36:57 05/06/04 Thu

Dear Kimberly Meyers,
I am one of the "troubled teens" that were sent to Casa by the Sea. I was not tortured like some, I was never in R&R, however I know a little about the program. I was sent to Cross Creek Manor in July 2001. My mom thought that it would be the best place for me to go. All of the advertisements that you see on the internet and other places are extremely misleading. I was sent to Casa by the Sea in May 2002 because I was not moving ahead in the program like some thought that I should. Again the staff at Cross Creek told my parents that it would be the best place for me. When I got to Casa they made me strip in front of them which is understandable seeing as how they don't want drugs in the facility, however it should have been in front of all females not 2 females and 2 males. The showers had no curtains, we got 5 minutes to shower and to top it all off the water was freezing cold. Every one has to have permission to talk, stand up, sit down, eat, and everything else. Often times we didn't get to finish our meals because the "Mamas" didn't feel like sitting in the dining room. We would have a total of 5 minutes to get our food and to sit down and eat it. Half of the time the food had hair in it, or even a couple times I found bugs. The kitchen was extremely unsanitary and that was just from what I could see at the window. Some of the guys would even masturbate into the coolaid (this coming from one of the guys that said he played a part in it). My parents didn't have a clue about what went on there because whenever I would write to them about it "misteriously" my mail didn't get sent. The family rep always said that she sent all of the mail, however whenever it was something that she didn't want to get out my parents never got it. Maybe it was coincidence but I doubt it. Not only did my parents not receive my letters stating what went on in the "program" I got punished for manipulation. I was smacked several times, the "mamas" (female staff) would pull my hair and they would threaten us. I had a problem with bed wetting, and they would threaten to make me sleep outside on the cement if I did it again, and once they followed thru with that. A few times they made me sleep in my own urine and wouldn't let me wash my laundry. I wish that parents could go thru some of the things that we had to go thru so they would think twice about sending their children to some of these places. Well sorry that this is so long, but I thought you should know. Thank you for listening

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Jenna Petty
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Date Posted: 23:11:05 04/06/05 Wed

I am looking for people that were in the Alliance Family from 2000-2001, and if anyone knows how to contact anyone from the alliance family (or if u remember me) please email me. Does anyone remember Crystal Scott??
Thank you Jenna

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Stephanie Wapp
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Date Posted: 14:07:42 02/28/12 Tue

I was there in @002 I believe but same family..not sure if that helps you.

Stephanie Wapp

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Amber Wiiest (I was in casa by the sea and the alliance group)
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Date Posted: 13:47:34 05/26/12 Sat

I was in the alliance group at that time feel free to contact me starmsc74@Gmail.com

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Jessica (Bell) Riddell
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Date Posted: 12:41:36 06/30/12 Sat

Dunno if you remember me. I was the "bird girl". I do remember you, Jenna. I also remember Crystal Scott, but other than Christina Leduc, I havent heard from anyone since getting out of that place. Kinda curious to know where Ashley Peterson went to...

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erin hoffman (sad)
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Date Posted: 13:31:29 12/21/12 Fri

I was there from feb 99 to june 00 i was in esteem family and ill never forget anything that went on. im older and wiser but no thanks to that place. parents should never ever send kids to places like that! Parents need to understand kids as much as kids need to understand them. Those places tear you away rip you apart then demand function. if you dont comply you are punished in the ways tthey see fit no matter how terrible they are.

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courtney hall (i still have nightmares .....)
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Date Posted: 09:18:10 10/05/12 Fri

Everything you said in this post, brings back so many horrible memories for me ..I was sent there in 2002 I believe...It was the year before casa was shut down! I still have nightmares about that place!

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ryan fraidenburgh
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Date Posted: 00:44:51 04/08/14 Tue

i win

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Ryan Fraidenburgh
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Date Posted: 23:21:44 10/09/15 Fri

I was the one who shut that place down. I was all over the national news and became famous with movie deals from my experience and then sued the movie producers haha

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ryan doe
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Date Posted: 21:13:43 12/04/12 Tue

Ryan fraidenburgh sues rafelson media. Los angeles superior court case nunumber bc335616

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ryan fraidenburgh ($$$)
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Date Posted: 14:42:21 12/11/14 Thu

yea i won 200 thousand dollars from that case against rafelson media, i was sexually harassed by gay film producers while i was working on a film in beverly hills. I was only 16 at the time but i made a killing off the case, two hundred big ones damnn yall loosee los angeles superior court case number bc335616...yall can have your films back i took the money and ran..whatever happend to that movie coldwater ?

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Afro King (irony)
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Date Posted: 22:03:48 10/22/15 Thu

The movie got made and came out in theaters last year you fucking faggot Ryan Fraidenburg. You musta sucked a lot of dick out in Los Angeles for that 200k...At least that's what the word is! Heard you're a dead beat fat fuck now.

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ryan fraidenburgh
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Date Posted: 21:30:50 05/11/16 Wed

No I actually didn't but I heard you did. You sicko. I'm getting rich from suing all these wierdo's. Your a sucker. Haha!

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larry moore
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Date Posted: 19:00:46 06/08/04 Tue

I am very curious to know the truth about this place. I am thinking about sending my son there and I'd like to know what really happens. Can you easily get along by going along? Is it clean, safe, and well maintained? Is there physical abuse, etc? How can I really know the truth and not just hear something a bitter kid wants to say. All of you who report owe it to the families of those worried about their loved one, who only want to keep their child from wasting their life or perhaps ending it even because of their lifestyle or choices. Do you really think your parents want to spend sooo much money when it could go to college, vacations, boats, etc. It is an act of love that makes them send you there. That's why I pray that you can be honest in your assessment of the place based on what really goes on and why it happens. PLEASE, help us know so we can make the right chioces, Would a government run boot camp be better?

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sydney tai
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Date Posted: 16:40:20 06/14/04 Mon

I went to CCM for 7 months back in 95. I am still clean. I don't know about the abuse at casa. I do understand that parents that are searching for something to help their kids do deserve the truth, and I can tell you it probably saved my life, and I am incredibly grateful to them. For my parents, CCM was a last resort. Out of my friends that I met there, one is still doing okay. The rest are leading lives that sound like a documentary/soap opera; unbelievable. The programs aren't for everyone, but they do help kids. I'd think long and hard about your kids personality before you send them anywhere. If they don't think they have a problem, or they don't want to change, save the money and go to Al Anon or tough love. If they have a problem with authority, don't send them to these types of programs. If you feel like it's a last resort, do what you need, but remember, you can also change your mind in a few months, you don't HAVE to keep you kid there. Hope that helps.

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momoftroubledteen
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Date Posted: 15:37:06 07/21/04 Wed

why not send my son who has trouble with authority to one of these programs?

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Courtney (Enraged)
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Date Posted: 05:58:57 01/06/13 Sun

The reason to not choose a WWASP program is because it is based off lies, manipulation and greed. Your child will not be safe there. I not have a chronic permanent health condition called Interstitial Cystitis caused from their lack of medical treatment and lack of concern for the health and well being of their "inmates".

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camille
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Date Posted: 19:35:04 06/22/04 Tue

hi i am a casa graduate. i was there for 15 months. i was never abused or anything like that. i agree that the living conditions were horriable. it was hard to get throuh the program and alot of what they teach there is very contridicting. i do not agree with a lot of it at all. but i do not regret my parents sending me there. i have not done one drug since. i have maintained a job for the whole year i have been out. ij have a 3.9 gpa in collage. before the program i droped out in 10 th grade. they would teel us there false things about life. i learned alot but it was because i taught myself. the sucess rate of those who graduate is not high maybe 96 percent fall. the only reason i havent done drugs or anything is because i choose not to. i have priorities. right before i left my family rep. a person who handles your case and is suppose to be supportive told me she knew i was going to fail. most of the time you are treated like crap by them. excuse my language but i felt like shit there alot of the time. so think real hard about sending your kid to casa. its really up to chance and there is NO gaurentee that your kid will be mature enough to not fall back into his old patterns again. thanks camille

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Heather
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Date Posted: 15:11:27 06/23/04 Wed

Hello,
My boyfriend was sent to Casa By The Sea two months ago, and he isn't allowed to talk to anyone but his two parents. His mom is saying that he needs serious help because he isn't writing her. I really just think that his letters aren't getting sent. I just want him to come back home....I think it would be a horrible idea to send your son there after all of the horror stories I have read.

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Date Posted: 08:01:08 07/06/04 Tue

http://abundantdomain.com/wwasp/omg.htm

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Jennifer
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Date Posted: 21:21:10 07/15/04 Thu

You do not have an option weither or not to write your parents when you are in Casa. You are put into Room restriction which, if you personally write me back I will tell you all about. I pray for him. He's in alot of trouble right now. If you need help e-mail me please.

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Momoftroubledteen
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Date Posted: 15:35:23 07/21/04 Wed

Tell me how recent you were there and what really goes on

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tom w
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Date Posted: 00:07:12 09/13/04 Mon

i was going to graduate casa next month and alot of this "drama" thats taking place is bull crap. the kids are the ones who make it unsanitary by using the toilets and not flushing it and trashing what ever they are given. you are DEFINTLEY given the opportunity to succed if you want to take it. Remember your kids were not the "little angels" you would like to think they are, they over exxagerate alot of things, you are treated fine, but yes there are consequences to pay if you do not want to work the program, but its not abuse its isolation untill you are ready to work, i am 18 and i chose to stay and graduate the program and my school, i left casa on saturday and its not fair to the kids who were working there programs

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Daniel Chapin
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Date Posted: 17:17:24 09/14/04 Tue

Hey Tom I was on this thing trying to get parents to get their kids out of those hell holes I am doing good and I just wanted to say good luck.

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Howard Sauerwald
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Date Posted: 05:12:04 09/15/04 Wed

hey tom and daniel when did you guys get out

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Logan Butler
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Date Posted: 21:28:37 09/15/04 Wed

Yea Casa was honestly a bunch of bullshit. Between the ego driven "fathers" who had your balls in there hands, to the constant isolation from the opposite sex. I was the Trainer at Casa, and I had been there for about 2 years. I graduated form there in July, and have not done drugs or anything like that, but it has been me, not the program which has done that from me. The lady I am dating right now, graduated from Casa along with me in July, and I can say that only about 5 people including us, are not on drugs and failing like many of the people who graduated with us.
Honestly people are going to live there lives. Let them learn and screw things up for themselves it builds character from with in. Casa only tried to manufacture it. Any person who has been there for the last two years will know me. I'm really happy with life right now, and the only thing that I really got out of Casa was Carrie. I and she is the love of my life. Texas sure has missed me.

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Peter Gifford
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Date Posted: 05:50:46 01/01/06 Sun

Logan, i dont know if u remember me i was in casa with u for a while and i was there when it got shutdown, and i just wanted to tell you i agree with u. I was a level 4 when i left because casa got shutdown and i am doing fine without it much better actually. i live on my own and hold down a job and i am on my way to college. Nice to hear ur doing good logan-peter-

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Mariano Granados (Excited)
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Date Posted: 18:15:27 05/30/12 Wed

Whats up Logan...... i feel sad about what you wrote. But thats your point of view, what happened with, MUCHOS PAJAROS EN EL ALAMBRE and all the funny things that you learned from us..... let me tell you something, CASA BY THE SEA is the most beautifull job that i have ever got. If you can let me know the mail adress of the peopple who graduate with you i will really apreciate that. Blessings Logan.

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Mattt
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Date Posted: 18:37:21 01/04/06 Wed

U people that say casa wasnt that bad and that people were over exxageratin were the ones that were there recently

i was 14when i went there in 2001 april till late oct cause my parents ran outa money luckily, that place was hell, when i was ready to change and learn why i do drugs. they said that was the past an no use talkin bout it now.i can remeber one time
artuo or w/e his name was would walk around the big green with a 2/4 on his shoulder(acting like he would hit u with it if u acted out of line)my 4th day in they made me continue to workout when i was having an asthma attack(luckily some american kid new spanish and told them i need an inhaler)they made me eat food i was allergic to.
punished the whole boys side of the facility for a group of like 10 boys playin some punchin game, wake us up in the middle of the night to do head counts on the big green because someone counted wrong.made me eat hot dogs with green spots on it that made me sick for 3 days.Farthers would steal gifts our parents sent us infront of us(mario was the one)he was hell it was his goal to make ur life hell and non stop give u a consequence no matter if u broke a rule or not.he was one of my farthers for like 4 months (the worst four months in here)i could go on forever about how horrible that place was an the damage it did but its time to move on

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peter
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Date Posted: 03:13:23 12/19/05 Mon

ok i used to go to casa by the sea. I got pulled out after 3 years being in that place. I admit that i have learned alot but how it really if in there is shit. The showers, bathroom, bedrooms, its all crap. If you mess up you get sent to a room that you have to sit on wooden bentches with your knees together listening to a tape and you get quized on then and if you get answers wrong you get more hours to sit there. There was once a guy that needed to use the bathroom really bad so he raised his hand and he was rasing his hand for along time but the father there was like "put your hands down" he had ne care that this person had to really go. So he went in his pants. It really takes up ot this point to let him go. and the workouts there is unsanitary. you need to rool arround in dirt floors and i did not even get to take a shower because i was only allowed of 1 shower a day. thats not even part of it. if you want to know more you can E-Mail me. well untill then bye.

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Logan White
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Date Posted: 16:12:04 11/26/11 Sat

I was the 10th kid to be sent to casa by the sea. I was there from may 12th 1999-march 28 2001. If you want to know the real story of Casa by the Sea, respond back to me and I will tell you the story of that place. My friend from there Michael James Perry was executed in 2010 by the state of Texas. He was convicted of murder and a lot of it came from Experiances from casa by the Sea.

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Chris
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Date Posted: 06:53:06 04/03/12 Tue

I was right there with you bro! Can't forget that place.

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nick pringle
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Date Posted: 15:16:22 04/19/12 Thu

I was sent to casa in 2004. I was tortured so badly that i now have both of my rotator cuffs torn in my shoulders. This has pretty much made me a cripple. I want to sue them and would like to get in contact with other people who were tortured on the "third floor"(or witnesses of it). Please write back if you could help me.

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carlos coffelt (pissed)
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Date Posted: 10:54:10 04/21/12 Sat

i was there and was in intervention getting hogtied all the time and was there when they got shut downt waiting two days with no food or water and kids going crazy waiting for parents to get me only to be amongst the last who got picked up by a bus and dropped of across the border to go to my next program fuk cbs

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Howard Sauerwald
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Date Posted: 05:06:38 09/15/04 Wed

I am a former casa by the sea student and i was there for five months exactly from March 1 2005 to aug 1 2005 i got to level four and was pulled and from my expierience is that no body deserves to be there they mentaly and physicaly abuse you there every day you are being made fun of by staff cause you are there and that you cant speak spanish and so they would purposely speak spanish for you cant understand what you are saying when they here that you have runaway plans they wake you up around one or two in the morning and they take you too a dark room and integerate you like police and slam you if you refuse in any way you dont get to talk to your family for a very long time and when you do you cant manipulate is what they say and thats how the parents dont knowwhat realy goes on because they will just drop you from your current level i have seen a a student tell a upper level father to fuck off and the upper level father rodrigo say what did you say to me you little motherfucker and take him to the third floor and just slam them in intervention well that all changed because they recently shut it down thank god

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Caitlin
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Date Posted: 16:20:46 01/25/13 Fri

You weren't there in 2005 because it was shut down in 2004.

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randy nguyen
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Date Posted: 13:19:54 09/23/04 Thu

motherfucker i'm a marine now if you ever send your kid down there ..well there will no hope left...i was there and got out and thank got..plz dont send your child down there that place is awful...but in the service at least ...

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Mike
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Date Posted: 12:07:02 10/08/04 Fri

I went to Casa by the Sea and was there for four months. It was shut down while I was there. You may think that we are all a bunch of angry kids, but really you don't know anything so it's pretty easy for you to say that. We all went though hell and back being there. I was beat by a group of straff members for clicking a pen. I was fed not even enough food to fill a 3 year old. I went to Casa weighing 240. I was a football player. I came out weighing 210 in just 4 months. When you use the bathroom you have to wipe and put the TP in a bucket next to the toilet, thats if you have TP. A good amount of the time you didn't. Most of the staff were gang members and abused drugs which they would some times try to trade to kids for watches that they stole. I am now home and I looked at some of the letters my mom got from me and they had alot missing. I was beat very badly on 3 different days. My jaw is now completely broken and I have to have it re-broken and fixed in surgery. I went through HELL for 121 days more than you will go through in your life. So please don't call us angry kids. Thank you for listening.

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Shannon
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Date Posted: 09:05:30 12/15/04 Wed

yes, A Government run place would be better, at least someone would be regulating the Schools, There is no regulation on private boarding school, there is no one that goes in and makes sure these children are ok, or to make sure they are getting medical care, enough food PROPER Education, to make sure there isnt any abuse. There is many stories about them hiding kids when people go on campus, if the were regulated they would have a list and could check each and every kid, even the ones in op, or r and r, that have been in there for months. I feel that these children are better off in jail then in a wwasp so called school.Just think about it,why else would they not let you have contact with your children? The mail is censored look for a mark on the bottom on the envelope or on the pages! All these Children saying the same stories about the different schools within the wwasp empire and in different time periods, it seems unlikely they are lying! everyone need to write congress.

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Date Posted: 04:21:40 08/18/08 Mon

You know what......... When i came out that place, I got worse.......really worse! Im changed now. But i changed two years after that stupid shity place! I changed on my own terms! I opened up my own eyes! Im now a husband and father. I got a good relationship with my family! Ill never forgive my parents for what they did but I love them. I would never send my daughters to a place like that...I ve been in stressful situations, if my daughters ever acted up I'd toughed it out and just be a PARENT!

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Elliot
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Date Posted: 13:37:49 09/13/04 Mon

this has to be some of the funiest shit i have ever read!! i am a graduate, i was in casa by the sea for 22 months, court ordered and only 16 years old when i was enrolled!! this was back in 98' so honestly i do not have any idea of whats going on there now! i hear its shut down! well my stay there was not so bad as portrayed in these other stories!! yah it was a dirty ass place though myself nor any of my friends were ever beaten! worksheets sucked n it was a very harsh place to go yet it gave me incentive to not go back!! dont break the rules.....no worksheets!! many of the staff members became close friends to me resulting in many ears i could turn to if i was having problems. i never did anything bad enough to get sent to "R&R" yet i was on the upper levels for about half the time i was there, n i was a junior staff member so i would watch "R&R" every now n then and there was never any "slamming" or "beating" the kids!! if they screwed off they would get punished!! different restraints worked best!! lol, any ways im 22 years old now, have my own small consulting business doing landscape architecture, live on my own n life is great!! i would say casa has played a big part of my success yet it is all because of the tools it gave me to look within myself to find solutions to problems i will encouter throughout life!! send yur troubled kids!! maybe not to this program but to another!! stay strong n remember it could be the best thing that ever happened to them!! it was for me............i could be sitting in prison right now with 7 felonies on my adult record!! have a nice day!!

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Howard sauerwald
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Date Posted: 05:27:20 09/15/04 Wed

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Carrie Crabb
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Date Posted: 22:13:15 09/15/04 Wed

I was at Casa for 15 months and I was never abused physically. The mommas were not that great and treated us like selfish rich Americans, which eventually helped me. Not everyone in the real world is happy-go-lucky and kind, so as much as I wanted to leave at times, I feel blessed that I had that experience and learned a lot from it. I formed wonderful relationships with the administration and they did all they could to assist me in my recovery. I have now been sober for 19 months and am loving life. Casa did not do all that for me but did direct me in the right direction. I feel pain for those not as unfortunate as I was and am continuing to pray for you all...

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Howard Sauerwald
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Date Posted: 04:19:11 09/18/04 Sat

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Truong nguyen ~AKA CASAKILLA~
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Date Posted: 13:04:30 09/19/04 Sun


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Truong nguyen ~AKA CASAKILLA~
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Date Posted: 13:19:48 09/19/04 Sun

Okay i finally out of the hell hole they call formally as Casa By the Sea. Hey for all of those who graduate and still like to suck on the program's balls, please understand that that is a habit that you must need to lose, because the program directors, like mike or so, won't me helping you out just cause y'all are jumping up and down on there ballsacks. Okay, i was released form casa last week, came back to Houston last sunday 12th opf september 2004. Well there was a reason why there was a riot and there are reasons why the words "fuck casa was eevrywhere on the day the Mexican government finally saved us. hey I didn't rreally care because I was a few weeks form bouncing anyways, but oh well. i was there for a little less than 17 months. The only thing I can say that allowed me to saty sober and clean and progressing in life, was when i was isolated from the world for a time to think, but i did the changing. Now I am only scared to go back to another program so i displine my self to not do so.
There was and still is abuse. I will say that, but I think i was smart wenough not to flip out so I didn't get slammed, but I gopt crap for 10 months because I tried to plan ariot. and it was a freedom fighting riot. But I finally realized that once we step through the big red doors, we become less than animals. Oh well.I would like to holla out to all my ho,mies that know me. Logan if you reading this good luck man, Wassup Howard. You should've been there for the riot, it was so funny what people were doing. it was on the first and second day of PC! too.
Anyways don't think WWASP is a good place. Freedom has arrived!!

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Date Posted: 15:24:35 04/19/12 Thu

Hey its nick. You remember me? I tried to escape with alfonso and they sent me home. But not before they tortured mr so bad they tore both my rotator cuffs in my shoulders. I want to sue them. If you get this give me a call 818-512-4488

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Jasmin Evans
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Date Posted: 09:43:52 09/29/04 Wed

You want to know the truth about casa by the sea, give me a call.

813 765 1015
Jasmin Evans

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Date Posted: 08:09:50 04/26/05 Tue

Hola everone. My number has changed to 813 334 0791 and my email is evansjasmin@yahoo.com

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Date Posted: 06:29:17 10/04/04 Mon

I SAW A 16 YEAR OLD KIDS ASS KICKED BY 4 MEXICANS.HE HAD A BLACK EYE AND BLOOD ALL OVER HIS SHIRT. I WONT FORGET SEEING THAT FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE. I went to Casa by the sea for 280 days. I didnt leave the place for the entire time I was there. I learned alot but the place is insane. It is a very forceful and unpleasant learning experience. I felt like a slave when I was there. Out of all the things i learned, the theory that drugs are bad is not an idea that i accumulated. I stopped smokin pot for a year and a half after I was realeased, because the place scared the shit out of me. I love to smoke pot and drink alcohol. They are a form of relaxation and recreation for us more liberal folk. Its all an opinion. IF YOU WANT TO SEND YOUR KID HERE THEN YOU DONT LOVE THEM, AND MOST PEOPLE ARE READING THIS BECAUSE THEY DO LOVE THEIR KIDS. SO TAKE MY ADVICE AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO HAS HAD THEIR ASS RIDEN BY THIS TRECHOROUS PROGRAM OF DOWN-RIGHT DISRESPECT. DO NOT SEND YOUR CHILD TO THIS SHIT-DUMP. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.

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Date Posted: 18:11:10 10/10/04 Sun

I'm reading all these.. posts, and i have some connection with it.

My girlfriend, Stephany Perdomo, was sent... about a year ago now.
I would say her step-mom is evil. And he Dad is pussy whipped.
Her step-mom does not love her. So thats easy to say.
Its kinda werid thinking your happy one day, then the next shes gone. I had no warning, no good bye. Just... Gone.

And reading all these ... posts... articles.. and newspapers kinda scare me. All "kids" posting that they weren't abused?
You don't sound like real Kids. It sounds like someone superimposed your words. Maybed.. brain washed. Truth is an amazing thing, Guide me please. iggydude1337@yahoo.com

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Date Posted: 20:57:12 10/13/04 Wed

i thought casa was a great place

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Date Posted: 06:05:12 10/28/11 Fri

casa can gargle my nut sack

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Edwin (Faded)
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Date Posted: 23:39:08 03/15/12 Thu

Fuck that shit hole I was their when it shut down in the honor family

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Chris (Glad it closed)
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Date Posted: 07:01:10 04/03/12 Tue

I was there from late 2000-2001 and what a total mess that places was. If any of you guys were there the same time I was please reply. I would like to see how things are going now.

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Matthew Geis
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Date Posted: 03:59:45 10/25/12 Thu

Hey man. My name is Matt Geis. I was sent to Casa in October 2000 and was there for 2 years. I was in Diligence family. I'll never realy forget the the things they put us through. I'm ok now, and I've done the best I can to forget about it, but it'll never go away. Anyway, feel free to e mail me if you have any questions. Hope you're doing ok. -Matt

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Chris (Glad it is closed)
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Date Posted: 08:12:58 04/03/12 Tue

If you were detained in casa during the 9-11 attacks we might know eachother. I'm looking for a few of my old friends from that place, Shawn Brunswick (unsure of spelling, and Christian (one of twin brothers "locked" up with me). My email address is Goodie22_goodie22@yahoo.com I just hope this thread is still active.

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christopher peck
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Date Posted: 18:24:09 04/08/12 Sun

i went to casa by the sea back in september of 2003 to middle januarary of 2004 a little over 4months. It was the worse experience of my life! I was beaten many times even had my shoulder ripped out of place. i was sick 24/7.. Everyones idea was fake it to u make it out of there, but i wasnt able to fake it i kept it real an refused the fuckin program an the fake ass mormans. Anyways im from ftmyers fl an i had a friend in my family named johnthan fernandez who was from tampa fl. Me an him had made plans to run away which we did december 30th the day before new years. We wanted to catch a ride with some tourist back to the boarder. So we excaped from are class room ran down 2 get are shoes which we wasnt able to get because my friend got scared because some upper levels spotted us an started yelling code red so we took off. We helped each other up to the ledge an jump the big wall which had a ledge on the other side thank god because we of broke something if it didnt. we ran for are life when we got to the end of the compound on the girls side we hide in a ditch which was about 20 feet in the ground with a box on top of us. we heard the dumb asses walking around every where. we chilled there for a couple hrs till the coast was clear luckly it was dark time, we made it to this shack house thing which there was some homeless people in there who let us stay there an tryed to help us get a ride to the border. Which didnt work so we slept there on some boxes woke up the next day an took off on foot trying not to get cought. We never felt so good it was a awsome feeling. we was walking along the beach then we came up on a resort got some water an called are parents they were so shocked. it was crazy because my mail never seemed to make it to them. anyways after that we was tryin to walk to the bus station. we ended up getting cought on the side of the rhode. lol we got the shit beat out of us i got put in a dark cold room an made to sit in a corner for 11 days straight. it was horrible! they talked my parents to send me to the place they had in jamaica so they wouldnt loose there money. when the excorts got me early in the morning it was awsome they got me what ever i wanted to eat an gave me this talk about how much better jamaica is an how lucky i was to go there instead, which i knew was total bull shit. When we got to the airport an it was time to get on the plane i refused. i told my self there is no way im getting on this plane to go back to more bull shit. an airport told the escorts that after 9/11 that they cant make anyway get on a commercial flight against there will. It was the best day of my life i fianlly got out of the hell hole an there was no way they could make me go. The craziest shit the escorts family were goin to let me move in with them an live there in ocean side california, but i moved to ohio to live with my real dad which i never met. next thing you know 2days later i was on a flight to ohio. i graduated high school in 2005 an moved back down to ft myers fl which i started my own business an im staying out of trouble. i made over 250,000 last year an living a great life. Casa by the sea did not have any role in making me a better person it is the worst place in the world. for those who say they never seen people get beat an people treated like little pieces of shit.. are probably those fake ass upper levels who sucked all the staffs dick to get by an snitched on everybody. so many fake ass people there. Parents need grab there balls an take care of kids instead sending them away an thinking its goin to help. unfortunally i was a case of the evil step parent my step dad was a DR an convinced my mom to send me there which he also convinced me by telling me its a really cool school. Man was i wrong. i was never arrested before when i went to casa by the sea my parents were just to strict an i took off with my dads truck a couple times in the middle of the night to go hangout with some friends got cought an ended up in this shit whole. I see that it might be shut down an i really hope it still is an never re opens!

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nick pringle
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Date Posted: 15:40:57 04/19/12 Thu

I was in casa in the loyalty family in 2004. There are so many horrible things about that place. I was sent to r&r or the "third floor" several times where i was tortured. One of the torture techinuqes they used on me was to make me lay face down on the filthy floor with my arms and legs folded behind my back. After a short time i would get a shooting pain in my shoulders and unfold my arms a little. When the workers saw that they would bush my arms up and together. It was the worst pain i have ever endured and they actually tore both my rotator cuffs in my shoulders. They practally rendered me a cripple at the age of 18. THe anger that i have knowing they did this to me is almost worse than the constant pain i live in. I would like to sue them and i need witnesses. Especially if you have seen them use that same technique. If you can help me my number is 818-512-4488. I am also looking for daniel herrera and alfonso(the kid i escaped with).

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marcella (garza)
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Date Posted: 00:03:54 03/05/13 Tue

that is crazzy you escaped, I went to casa by the sea in 2001-nov 2002 My name is marcella I was there about 11 months fuck long enough, the only thing good was the friendships I made. I still talk to some of the girls I was in the esteem family. I thank god did not get treated bad or beaten up, Iam truly sorry you had to go through that, I pray your okay and get through it. Im sure you will anybody whos been to casa by the sea is a strong person. I got pulled I hope yo find your friends so courious to know how you escaped? I thought about it but was to scared plus Im a girl ;) best of luck to you in your future stay strong.

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yong lee (i try to forget)
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Date Posted: 18:44:25 03/15/13 Fri

First week i was there they sent me to r&r and starved me for a week. the year i spent there i saw so many children bloodied up by the staff. Ive seen many kids getting their head slammed on the wall myself being one of them. we were forced to sit in indian position for twelve hours a day. we were fed stale cereal twice a day. i remember i would be in mission impossible position ( stomach on the floor, elbows and knees werent allowed to touch the floor) and i did this with a man well over 200 lbs standing on my bad. there was no sense of care. childten would be sent to high impact where they had to cook their own food which was a bowl of rice and beans twice a day and they would walk laps all day with a heavy backpack strapped on their backs. ive seens kids return from there hollowed, devastated, and starving. They knew they didnt feed us enough so to bulk us up they would allow parents to send packages of candy which they gave us two sometimes three days to ea
t it all. I also remember when guacamole was served once all the kids got sick. they used fear to turn children against children. upper level students would be allowed to box each other for sport. it was more like gladiator school with some of the bruised eyes and broken noses i witnessed. We were not allowed to talk for days sometimes weeks except during group. i can go on and on. this placed needed to be closed down. i try to forget but the memories are there to stay. my parents pulled me out luckily. The owners should be prosecuted for criminal charges. Cbs is not a place for a child. its a place for prisoners who commotted horrific crimes. i was part of freedom family in 2000.

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Tanya Wamsher (surprised)
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Date Posted: 02:21:53 12/12/13 Thu

My name is Tanya Wamsher. I was at Casa by the Sea from October 2002 to 2004. Arrived at age 14, and left at age 16. I have avoided thinking about those 2 years of my life for the past 10 years, however, I am contemplating whether or not to write a book about my teenage years. I have started writing about Casa and tried to refresh my memory of the names of seminars, "families", ect. when I came across this...

If anyone remembers me from Casa please feel free to contact me. I would love to get in touch. (I cant really talk about casa with anyone who didn't experience it themselves cause I sound a bit crazy.)I believe I was in merit, then essence, than back down to another lower level family. And 2 "therapy" groups, anger management and some other group.

My facebook is: https://www.facebook.com/tanya.wamsher

My e-mail address is tanya.dion@yahoo.com

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Date Posted: 23:02:09 12/30/13 Mon

I was level 5 and on the student council when this place shut down. I had a California warrant for my arrest and was arrested by the Mexican police the day it shut down. Lots of crazy bad memories I'll never forget. Moridi.John@yahoo.com if you wanna email me! Good Luck to everyone.

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Date Posted: 09:05:36 05/06/04 Thu

Casa by the sea is not as bad as you guys make it to be.... I'ma a girl and no one ever got butt raped when i was there the whole 10 months. Sure casa is not the best place to be at but i did learn a lot from there....

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Allen
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Date Posted: 14:48:54 05/09/04 Sun

Dear Julie,
I was at casa for 15 months and I was on the guys side. There may not have been any ass raping on the girls side but on the guys side it was different. Think again, casa was that bad.

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danie
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Date Posted: 10:14:26 06/08/04 Tue

i was at casa 14 months this was 3 years ago, iam now a grown up and independent.I work for the federal government and graduated college yet i feel i will never be happy because i will never forgive my family for sending me there till this day i can't forget the pain that i suffered at casa not physically but emotionally. I chose to leave the program when i was 18 and everything i have now i have done on my own. Sadly i known that i can never count on my parents.Every child has a rebellious stage in their lives, the ones that will grow out of it will and the ones that won't no matter whether they graduated the program or not. i still have the same friends, listen to the same music and yet iam sucessful. No matter how proud my mom is of me now it means nothing to me because she didn't beleive in me. when i was down she left strangers to raise and deal with me. Now my parents regret it but there apologies mean little casa will forever be in my nightmares

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Jacob McFarland
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Date Posted: 18:23:58 04/04/03 Fri

I was not acctualy sent to any program but my girlfreind was but she is vary reluctant is tellign me what went on inside. I have been informing my self on these "POW"/hell camps for the last month and what i have found id beyond what i can coprehend. This school should be shut down but there is a problem not a lot of people want to shut it down what my plan is to get 10,000 people who had a horrible time at thses places and work together to shut them down forever. I alos woudl like to know what went on iside, was there any plans for a shutdown from the inside/ a movement from the inside to shut down these programs any information will hlep and i along with tons others would love to shut them down and sned the responsible peopel to jail. Thanks for your time Jacob McFarland,
You can reach me through e-mial, Solidjake@aol.com

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Janice Harriger
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Date Posted: 13:46:37 04/07/03 Mon

I went to cross creek manor in july 93 to nov 1 93 just looking for anyone who was there in 93. I was the youngest girl there during that time I was 12. I was there only 4 months but i shall never ever forget the sadness and tears.
I had more problems after my stay at cross creek. it took many years to forgive my parents

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Monica Bastian
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Date Posted: 01:13:47 06/04/03 Wed

When I was 13 I entered the Cancun Mexico program and after being there for a few short months it was shut down and I was set to CCM in Utah. My last few weeks in Mexico were spent in an isolation rooms listening to some good awful educational tapes. I finally graduated the program in April of 99 after three long years. During those years I had some pretty bad experience all of which were results of my knowingly breaking the rules. I can honestly say that each bad experience I had in Utah was a result of my behavior. If you had asked me then I would have of course blamed it on the program. If you had asked me what I thought of the program a year after being there I would have told you it was the biggest shithole I had ever been in. I think that its important that parents know that there are things that happen that shouldn't, but that's the way it is with any facility in the world be it a school, a business, or a hospital. I was never monitored in the shower or bathroom 24/7 it was a punishment reserved for people on staff buddy, suicide, or hygiene watch. When I was monitored the staff did not stare at me or humiliate me because I believed it to be just as uncomfortable for them as it was for me. Its important to know that girls were NEVER monitored by male staff. The day I left the program there were a lot of unsettled feelings toward the program, but I never felt that I was supposed to look back at my time in the program as a happy memory. You're not meant to be happy. I will not discredit anyone else's experience because they have a right to say how they feel, but remember the these are experiences. I would never consider myself to be an advocate for the program, but I am certainly not going to destory it with my bad experience. If each of us focuses ONLY on the negative aspects of the programs that's the picture we will paint a negative one. I know many people who had good experiences and I know people who had horrible ones, but they gave it a shot. I think that instead of destroying these programs that save many lives and families we should focus on using our experiences to tell them how to improve the environment. I would never attempt to shutdown a program because if one person has the chance to come out of it the way I did I couldn't imagine taking that from them. We should encourgage parents to look at all aspects of the programs. Understand your sending someone somewhere they don't want to be and of course they are going to view everything a least a little more negatively than it is because they want to come home. Do your research from all angles. I still have things I'm resentful about, but the way I feel about myself today was worth it. Do I believe everything the program taught me-NO! But I believe in the way I feel about myself and I know that's because of what the program gave me.

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anyonmous
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Date Posted: 01:47:23 06/09/03 Mon

who needs hitler when theres wwasp?

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Loah
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Date Posted: 13:44:55 06/11/03 Wed

I understand that you, as well as many others, feel very violated by actions that were taken by WWASP. I understand that you are very hurt and feel as though you have been taken for a ride (that, I feel I must point out began with your own chioces).

I am going to beg you, please don't make comparisons to the holocaust/concentration camps/hitler for the sake of exaggerated shock value. Do a bit of research, expand you mind beyond the injustices you feel life has dealt your poor little soul, see what it is that you are talking about before you open your mouth.

You spit poison from your mind. The holocaust was nothing to fuck around about. Read a book. Get to know what you are cracking jokes about. You can even see a movie. That would probably be more comfortable for you. You don't really sound like a reader to me. Try "Schindlers List". Try "Jakobs Ladder"

Have a little compassion for the 6million+ men women and children who actually WERE starved, beaten, tortured, shot, experamented on, etc untoil the suffered a horrible death. Look something up in the dictionary you ignorant, spoiled little brat.

Genocide

read up on that and try to make light of it by using it to express how you suffered injustices at the hands of WWASP

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Date Posted: 05:26:01 04/25/04 Sun

Loah, you're a raving lunatic and should be shot. The people who have suffered because of these places are entititled to their expression. Don't get me wrong, the Hitler comment was a little extreme, but you just need to pull that firecracker out of your ass. Take a chill pill and try to see it through our eyes.

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Ashley
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Date Posted: 18:18:42 05/01/04 Sat

Not nice! To wish someone shot is horrible!

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[> Subject: Re: My Personal Experience at casa


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Date Posted: 16:21:48 06/12/03 Thu

please do not speak unless you have been to wwasp or are a parent. These people have no idea about the story's behind it. So please do not tell these victims and dis-credit there personal experiences. My story does not apply to everyone but it for some reason apply's to a whole lot. We have done our research for some time, and i am postive you are not a victim Genocide, so lets mature and not post comments unless you have something to do with wwasp. I dont think its right to comment about something you have not been through yourself. Parents want the people's experiences, not people who post judgements about these experiences. If you take a look, i am obviously not the only one and us victims do not stand alone. Experiences match and imature comments don't. Thank you

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Loah
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Date Posted: 12:23:11 06/13/03 Fri

I am absolutely in shock at your response. I have a few things that I would like to clue you in on, reader.

First and formost, hoping this allows you to be open to what I have to say. My name is Loah Terra. I was admitted to Brightway intake in March of 1995. I was there 1 week. I left there and went to Sunrise Beach (one of the facilities that was shut down in Mexico) I was there several months until the Mexican government shut the place down. I went from there to Cross Creek in LaVerkin, to be finally discharged in July of 1997.

I had group therapy with the Roaches in Cancun, I had group therapy and processes with many people whose names I have seen on here. Ron June, Uncle Ron Garrett, etc. I was ALL UP IN IT. Do not tell me what I have or have not experienced. That information was purely to get you to see what I am about to say.

My name is not genocide. That is the word that I would like you to look up in the dictionary. It seems that may be difficult so I will explain the word in terms I thing you can understand.

When Adolf Hitler went to war with the entire world that was not Arian His PURPOSE, his GOAL his EVERY INTENTION was to wipe out all other races on the planet but his own (or so he thought. little known fact: Hitler was part Jewish on his mothers side). He especially despised the Jews in the world. He thought them to be animals and were to be disposed of after they served whatever purpose Nazis could come up with. Imagine what genetic testing was like considering the technology in the 1940's. Can you imagine how painful that was? They could not kill people off fast enough, especially towards the end of the war when the Americans began freeing the concentration camps. There were piles of skeleton-like bodies for MILES.

Genocide is the act of COMPLETELY WIPING OUT EVERY MEMBER OF AN ENTIRE RACE.

Hitler wanted to wipe out the Jews. He tortured them in ways that your little mind could not even attempt to imagine.

So YOU dont TRIVIALIZE what it is that those people went through.

You spit on 6MILLION+ graves when you try to use the holocaust to make your little point.

Like I said before, OPEN A BOOK AND CHECK IT OUT BEFORE YOU DISRESPECT SO MANY TORTURED SOULS.

Dictionary definition of Genocide:
"the deliberate and systematic destruction of a recial, political, or cultural group"

courtesy Mirriam-Webster online.

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[> Subject: Re: My Personal Experience at Cross Creek MAnor


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ha
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Date Posted: 22:47:34 06/16/03 Mon

Abuse cant be justified or warranted for any excuse any person might have for such brainwashing methods. Every victim shares there own personal experience, and i do not stand alone. I am surrounded and supported by us tortured victims and the blood i shed will not be forgotton and the people behind it will be held accountable for there actions,

Of course these hundreds of story's are hard to here, but then again truth hurts sometimes, and if this is all such a lie then how come so many story's match?

Never will my horrible experience be dis-credited, us survivors have been through enough and deserve to be treated like human beings and i certainly know for a fact that the 2,500 dollars a month didnt go to any treatment, it went to my torture and pay for my ransom. Thats my personal experience and it doesnt apply to everyone.

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[> Subject: Re: My Personal Experience at Cross Creek MAnor


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Hope
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Date Posted: 03:03:35 01/28/04 Wed

Cross creek manor and all those places like that need not exist why do they? We need to speak up.

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[> [> Subject: Re: My Personal Experience at Cross Creek MAnor


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Date Posted: 00:46:58 03/02/04 Tue

i have come across this page by accident, or could it be a sign that someone does need to speak up. I feel that everyone is free to their opinions, so here is mine. I am 21 years old. when i was 16 my mom told me she was taking me to "look" at a school, and i was too stupid or too high to realize what was going on. We flew out to utah, and my mom left me there. i was very afraid and lonely. I spent 16 months there and I hated most of it. I made some of the best friends there, and I only hated the parts when i would get in trouble. i was never abused, and i never saw anyone get abused. I was taken down once, but it was completley harmless, and i was hurt in no way. I graduated in may of 2001 and i was already 18, but i chose to stay. before i went to the program i was in the hospital under secure watch, because i had a serious suicide attempt. I had to have my stomach pumped, and stay in the hospital for 4 days. i know if i had not been sent to cross creek and had a wake up call, my life would have been over as soon as i got out of that hospital. Now i am 21 i am not perfect, i have relapsed, but i coped with it and moved on. i am now living with my "non-working" boyfriend from before the program. but just like i have changed so have i. I dont agree with everything they do and say in there, but i do agree that they saved my life.
so if you choose to be the victim of it then so be it. you can only get as much out of something as you put in. i dont mean to sound brian-washed, because i am not in any way, but i just learned what they had to teach me. i dont use it all, and i dont always do the "right" thing, but i know how to deal with it.
anyway. so that is my input.... maybe you all should think about why you are the "victim"

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Mom of a son at TB
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Date Posted: 22:54:47 03/03/04 Wed

Landis,
Your letter sounds just like my son...he is thankful to be at Tranquility Bay, and I am happy my son is still alive to tell the tale... Most of the people who post here think it is brain-washing, but it really is bringing back to the "normal world", where you don't have to be messed up to deal with everyday life. I wish that these people would understand what these facilities provide for kids who need help. They can all claim "cults" or worse, but these programs save lives!!!!!!!!!!!!

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landis
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Date Posted: 11:54:14 03/04/04 Thu

mom of son at tb... thanx for your reply... i thought i would get a lot of people saying bad things to me. I mean i cant say that they are wrong, but i was at ccm for a long time and i was friends with a lot of people, and i never heard of any abuse. maybe some one needing to be restrained, but for understandable reasons.... i mean i even had to be taken down and i spent 11 days in isolation, but i was fighting with another girl so they had to stop me. anyway, thanx again for the reply and best of luck to you and your family.... my family i still up and down... my mother and i dont see eye to eye so we argue a lot, but thats life... i hope things are better for you
landis

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: My Personal Experience at Cross Creek MAnor


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Date Posted: 20:46:47 03/19/04 Fri

Ok wow... WOW... yeah I only read like maybe two post and I am like...oh wow. Now I can not say if people are lying. First off I am not that sort of person and secondly everyones experience is different... I will tell you mine. I was sent to Cross Creek in Jan. 2001... and left March 2003 so I was there for 26 months... nice long stay.

I went in hating myself beyond belief... I tried to kill myself 3 days before I was sent, I was big into cutting, I was getting physically violent, I smoked, I drank, I ran away, I was having sex with people I didn't know... yeah know the usual stuff for people who get sent to programs... The main reason I was sent was because my parents were scaried that I would be dead with in the next month. I had gotten extremely suicidal and I know I would have been dead... thats a fact! Luckly I was sent to Cross Creek. Now I will be the first to tell you that it was not a joy to be there... I refer to it as HELL! No joke about it... the rules were hell to follow, I hated being told when to pee, eat, drink, sleep... I hated all of it... When I first got there my way of fighting back was to punch, kick, scream, and be a right little bitch... but then I started to work...haha after a year of fighting... I had two really great therapists... We worked on my core issue..which is being molested when I was little... It took alot of time and alot of patience with me because I was a really butt head to work with on this... But eventually I realized that I hated the way I was living and I wanted to stop feeling like shit everyday... the only way to do that was to face my past. It was the hardest thing I have ever done in my life... and who was there to help me... my therapist, my parents, and the friends I had in the program...

Now... I have always called myself a fighter of the program... not against the program... No I am not against it... but I stood up for myself when I was in there... If I didn't agree with something I stood up and said so.. haha I was known for doing that.. Sure I got in trouble some of the time...but when people started seeing that I wasn't doing it to be a butt head.. I was doing it to stand for what I believed in I started to get respect for it. The biggest problem I ever had with the program was that I did not want to be molded into who the program thought I should be... I wanted to be the one doing the molding...not the program. So thats what I fought for... I fought to find myself. And I am glad I was in the program to do that because I never would have done it with out it...

Ok I think I have said some controversial things...haha... thats just me... Ok now to get down to points so that people are aware as to where I stand.

Program: It was hell but I had to go through hell in order to change! Not everyone has to go through that to change but I did...

I am thankful to the program because of everything I learned in it... Some of the things I learned I learned from the things I did not have... Ok did that make sense? Anyways I know how to control my anger now because I use to have to control it when I got stupid categories for stupid things...like walking on the grass...god I hated that rule... but it in the end helped me because now I can control my anger and I rarely get pissed off over little things. Also I appreciate so much in this world of ours... I mean alot of people lose their ability to appreciate the little things in this world... I haven't... because it was all taken away from me...now that I have it back.. I apprecitate it even more!

I have always hated the seminars because I do think they are fake most of the time, but I also see that they get people to open up and thats good...for me they were a bunch of crap. I also think people are mean for no reason...but it did help me grow stronger...just for the fact that I hated it so much...hehe

I was never abused by anyone in the program... I was a cutter so I was the one abusing myself. I also never saw anyone get abused. I do not agree with abuse having been sexually abused when I was little so if I ever saw it or if it had been done to me I would of spoke up about it.

Main point: Program hell... but if I had gone to heaven I never would have changed!

I am only speaking for Cross Creek... I can not speak for any other program or against any other program. If you have any questions for me I will answer them I am a very open person... I am also not all for graduation of the program... I think once you have gotten it you've gotten it and if you really want to change you will. I did graduate however... and for me it was very meaning full...not the actually graduation that was boring...hehe.. I mean having to have the patients to wait for it and then the over all amasing feeling I got after... The work doesn't begin till after you have been home though...and then I believe after you have been out a year then you can truely say how it affected you. I had my year date this month... and I cant say that I am a perfect little angel or that my life is perfect... But I can say is that for once in my life I can say... I WANT TO LIVE IT! I also make choices for me.. I am 18... some times I make stupid choices but I take responsibility now for my actions... I can control my anger... I rarely ever get angry(haha my nickname in the program was the angry child) I appreciate the little things. I am also very open to other peoples views about things...which I use to be very closed to...but seeing and hearing about so many different things in the program with the girls there I learned that everyone has their battles to fight and I dont need to get in the way of their fighting those battles... Now sure their are some things I think are not good...my biggest one being drugs... But I have friends who do them and I do not judge them all I ask is that they don't ask me to join because I dont do it. As long as they respect that they are my friend.

The fact that I am not trying to kill myself, I'm not prego, I am not high on drugs, I have a good relationship with my parents, I dont get passed out drunk, oh and did I mention I am ALIVE! Yeah because of that I know the program worked for me... For some I know it doesn't work for and thats ok...for me it did and I am sorry for those it didn't!

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Date Posted: 23:35:31 03/20/04 Sat

You go Tati!

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Zippy
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Date Posted: 07:01:26 03/21/04 Sun

You should be ashamed of yourself. Thank goodness places like Tranquility Bay would not be allowed to exist here in UK. If your son ends up with psychological problems for the rest of his life you'll be to blame. You should spend some time in an institution teaching you to be a better parent.

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Tatiana
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Date Posted: 00:26:12 03/23/04 Tue

What is your experience of programs? Have you been in one? Or are you just going off what people tell you?

All I know is that sure it sucked being at Cross Creek and I wish I could have gotten my shit together another way.... But it saved my life so I gotta give it props! You cant really diss a place that saves your life!

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Date Posted: 15:16:31 05/06/04 Thu

what about the people that kill themselves becasue of all the nightmares they have about the program. go there and you fucking spend a day there. don't say anything until you have experienced it.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: My Personal Experience at Cross Creek MAnor


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Mom
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Date Posted: 14:48:06 11/04/04 Thu

I am considering sending my 15 year old to CCM after the holidays. Can anyone tell me are there any litigations pending or past?

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: My Personal Experience at Cross Creek MAnor


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JC
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Date Posted: 02:40:11 04/10/04 Sat

You know what, I agree with Zippy, in a way. I think that sending young teens to places like cross creek cause more damage than parents realize. I was at CCM, twice, each time for a year. And although I did learn alot amongst the hell, I am just now realizing the long term affects of being abandoned by your family 2 states away when I've just hit puberty and am discovering who I am. I understand that most of the parents are just scared for their kids and are afraid that if they don't send them somewhere like CCM, they're going to loose them. But I realize now, through 10 years of battling the aftermath of being "sent away", that the emotional scars and the impact of such a traumatic experience go way deeper; into every aspect of my life. I believe that every experience happens to us so that we may learn something from it, no matter how devistating or traumatic it is. But sometimes what we learn, is not worth that which we lost. I missed out on alot of personal growth (since our personal time there was basically none, unless you were in isolation, but even then you knew everyone was watching you sit in that room while they walked by the monitors to eat, go to the bathroom, etc.). I realize the conflict of pros and cons for sending kids to places like CCM, but I am STILL dealing with the effects of it, whether I see it or not. I have so much pain inside of me from the experience, and I deal with it and deal with it, but there seems to be a bottomless pit of pain from the experience that all I can do is accept it as a part of me.

I agree, the place sucked, yet I learned things there I would never have learned on my own. But dealing with all the issues I see being sent away has caused me and still causes me, I can only deal alone. No one really understands unless they've been there too. And trying to make people understand just makes them sick of hearing about it. It's very isolating.

I guess it's true that everyone deals with things differently. Some people that were there with me probably never think about the place ten years later, some like me, have difficulty dealing with who it's made us. I feel I was to young to be "brain washed" or "molded" when I went for I hadn't even defined myself yet, so it's almost as I'll never know who I would have been on my own. I guess I've said enough.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: My Personal Experience at Cross Creek MAnor


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Ashley P
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Date Posted: 18:00:46 05/01/04 Sat

I never thought of CCM as a place my parents "abandoned" me to. They didn't abandon you. They did it out of love. You gotta grow up someday. Mom and Dad won't always be there right by your side forever. I have no regrets with CCM. I didn't agree with everything 100% but that's life. Nothing is ever 100% right on. That's the beauty of things. Diversity.

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[> Subject: Re: My Personal Experience at Cross Creek MAnor


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Matt West
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Date Posted: 13:52:18 03/26/04 Fri

Yah after being at cross creek for 4 months, i got kicked out, the place sucked and there was some really crazy people there, but it wasnt bad at all compared to tranquility bay. Tranquility Bay is so much more worse i actually missed cros creek after being there for like a few days.

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[> Subject: Re: My Personal Experience at Cross Creek MAnor


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Sally
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Date Posted: 21:11:45 04/06/04 Tue

Does anyone know anything about Falcon Ridge Ranch in Utah?

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Bebe Teichman
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Date Posted: 16:03:38 12/07/04 Tue

My husband sent my daughter to Falcon Ridge Ranch. They took her with out any consent from me. She was there about a week before I was informed. They lie to me several times. Her leg was broken, when thrown from a horse and they did not call me. Her therapist made phone appointments with me and then was not available. They put my husbands mistress in Family thepory and not me. They had his mistress to parents weekend when I asked them not to. I could not attend parent weekends because my violent husband was there with his mistress. They refused me her medical records. Something happened, and they moved my daughter to a wilderness program without my knowledge or consent. They will not tell me what happened. My daughter was there for eight months and there was no improvement. She is now in Outback Wilderness program. I am told that she is sleeping outside on the ground in 20 degree weather. They say that she has a sleeping bag and other camping equipment. I have asked them to send her home and they say that they can keep her because they have an approval for my husband, and he is paying the bill.

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[> Subject: Re: My Personal Experience at Cross Creek MAnor


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RaeAnne
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Date Posted: 15:22:41 05/06/04 Thu

for any one who cares the reason programs like casa by the sea, tranquility bay, high impact etc are not in the united states, becasue it goes against the constitution. freedom of speech does not exist in any of these places. yeah i learned something but because i wanted to not beause they brainwashed me like most of you people that went there. the only thing i learned is that my family means more to me than anything else, and i only learned that because i was away from them for so long and i realized what i had, but gave up for drugs, prostitution, alcohol, running away and basically self gratification. you don't need a program to teach you these things. you need your self and your family. make your kids feel like you want them around and that you are not going to give up on them

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[> [> Subject: Re: My Personal Experience at Cross Creek MAnor


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Date Posted: 20:14:02 07/19/04 Mon

wait, is this rae anne parker? WOw! How are you? Well i read all the things on this site, and i wanna know, are the people who are posting all the drama and abuse stories people that graduated from the program or people that left? I graduated from Casa By the Sea and although it is tough, i earned my place there. I think this is drama- but i guess i havent been in cross creek shoes or tb shoes. I have many friends from other programs and they say you are all bsing- i say quit feeling sorry for yourself and get over it.

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Megan Hinchey
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Date Posted: 17:40:36 02/17/05 Thu

Hey Stephanie! How are you doing?? I don't know if you remember me or not but if you do email me and let me know how youve been,the only person i've talked to from casa is kelly haskins.. i was wondering what happened to tanya.

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[> Subject: Re: My Personal Experience at Cross Creek MAnor


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Rudy
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Date Posted: 20:43:26 05/24/04 Mon

No offense, but how does your incompetent mother feel about neglecting you in your time of need, neglecting her duties as a parent, and basically failing her child. Does she ever feeling like she wants to die, or at least be imprisoned. Because she should. I reccomend you break all communication with her. She should be dead to you in your heart.

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Ashley
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Date Posted: 08:08:52 05/25/04 Tue

She will never be dead. She is not incompetent. No one could have controlled me. No one. If you dare think that these parents are incompetent you are sorely mistaken.

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[> Subject: Re: My Personal Experience at Cross Creek MAnor


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Jennifer
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Date Posted: 21:30:16 07/15/04 Thu

please e-mail me, we really need to talk. This is so important but I can't talk about it here.

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[> Subject: Re: My Personal Experience of my child who was sent to Casa


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Karen Johnston
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Date Posted: 01:16:24 09/15/04 Wed

Thank you for your candid review of your time at school. My daughter and I were having problems and I asked her dad who live in the States, my daughters and I live in Canadar,if perhaps she could go and spend some time with her. Four Weeks later I was frantic, no word from either one of them and her stepmother would not talk to me. Another four weeks go by and I receive a call from her dad who tells me that he has enrolled her in a a school in Mexico. I researched the school and was left with very distrubing feeling. A mother knows when something is wrong. I never spoke to my child for five months, and when I did she sounded like a robot and cried with heart wrenching sobs. I only ever got letters from her that were sent to her father and forwarded to me. This ordeal has left both my daughter and I and her two sisters emotionaly scarred. I will not bore you with anymore "stories". My daughter left the program shortly after her 18th birthday this past December. Her family had not seen her for over two years. She is just starting to tell us about her experiences there. I am horrified. I thank you for your courage. Karen

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Cleo
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Date Posted: 15:41:34 09/16/04 Thu

I love you so much mummy.
you are the best and i cant wait till I get to see you again.
miss you soo much
Love cleo

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scottnruth
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Date Posted: 17:11:48 09/30/04 Thu

Cleo,
Are you from southern california? Early teens? Friend of Robbie & Scott?

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William Gagan (aka: Bill Gagan)
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Date Posted: 20:27:09 10/06/04 Wed

I was in four WWASP programs over three consecutive years. Brightway, Spring Creek Lodge, Paradise Cove, and Red Rock Academy. I went through some of the worst abuses ever, like being beaten, pepper sprayed, starved, hog tied and left in a wooden closet for two days. I have never fully recovered from what happened to me, and it has been 5 years since i got out of the program. Does anybody know if i can sue teen help or do something to make sure this doesn't happen to anyone else? Please email me!

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William Gagan (aka: Bill Gagan)
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Date Posted: 20:37:55 10/06/04 Wed

I put the wrong email address on that last posting so here is the correct one: willnotbetrouble@sbcglobal.net

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Date Posted: 15:15:19 11/21/05 Mon

god that makes me sick
i need anyones help
a girl named tess was just sent ther...against her will.
i have got to get her out or see or send a message ...we live in san diego ...i need help...do you know anything i can do ...please tell everyone help
write me

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[> Subject: LAWSUITS AGAINST WWASP NOW


Author:
Grateful finally!
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Date Posted: 07:13:14 10/14/04 Thu


Lawsuit Against WWASPS (aka WWASP aka Premier Educational Systems)
FRAUD, NEGLECT, ABUSE, INFLICTION OF MENTAL DISTRESS, FALSE IMPRISONMENT, AND CIVIL RACKETEERING

9 WWASP/S PROGRAMS ALREADY CLOSED ON THE HEELS OF GOVERNMENT RAIDS OR INVESTIGATIONS

WWASP/S CHILDREN’S PROGRAMS INCLUDE:

Bell Academy, California (CLOSED)
Bethel Boys Academy, MS
Brightway Hospital, Utah (CLOSED)
Carolina Springs Academy, South Carolina (under investigation)
Casa by the Sea, Mexico (RAIDED AND CLOSED)
Cross Creek Center, Utah
Cross Creek Manor, Utah
Darrington Academy, GA
Dundee Ranch, Costa Rica (RAIDED AND CLOSED)
High Impact, Mexico (RAIDED AND CLOSED)
Ivy Ridge, New York (under investigation by N.Y. Attorney General) Majestic Ranch, Utah (Prosecution for child sexual abuse by Utah A.G.)
Midwest Academy, Iowa (Same Director as the closed Paradise Cove)
Morava Academy, Czech Republic (RAIDED AND CLOSED)
Pacific View, Mexico
Paradise Cove, Western Samoa (CLOSED)
Red Rock Springs, Utah (CLOSED)
Spring Creek Lodge, Montana (Recent death of a young girl in Oct. 2004)
Sunrise Beach, Mexico (RAIDED AND CLOSED)
Tranquility Bay, Jamaica (Death of a young girl in Aug. 2001)


Two highly experienced attorneys have agreed to represent families and children harmed by ANY of the numerous World Wide Association of Specialty Programs (a/k/a WWASP or WWASPS or Premier Education Systems). Each victim will be represented on an individual basis. For consideration, please contact the following attorney’s:

ATTORNEY David H. Pollack of Miami, Florida. He can be contacted at 1-305-372-5900 or email at DavidHPollack@aol.com.

ATTORNEY Richard Henriksen of Salt Lake City, Utah. He can be contacted at 1-801-521-4145 or email at Richard@HenriksenLaw.com. http://www.helpyourteens.com/news/press_release_mom_defeats_corporate_giant.html


This is one of the important ways to make WWASP/S accountable for the suffering this organization has caused to hundreds/thousands of American families and children. IF YOU ARE 18 OR OLDER, YOU DO NOT NEED YOUR PARENTS CONSENT TO BE REPRESENTED.

Parents may contact the lawyers in regards to cases of fraud and misrepresentation on their behalf as well as for their minor children that suffered.

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[> [> Subject: Re: LAWSUITS AGAINST WWASP NOW


Author:
william currie
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Date Posted: 15:35:17 12/17/14 Wed


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[> Subject: Re: My Personal Experience at Cross Creek MAnor


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I don't know why I am even responding to this.
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Date Posted: 13:28:59 10/21/04 Thu

Anybody remember the story that parents tell you about how they had to walk miles to school with holey shoes in the Snow , they didn't have televison or at least cable and their toys were never as good as the ones we have now! thats what this sounds like to me..first of all it doesnt snow in Laverkin Utah... 2nd of all you sure had a lot of ailments while you were there, and 3rd why didn't you use your name? Its almost comical that you even wrote this..after the 1st couple of paragraphs, if I were your mother I would have been looking for help for you too!
I am not quite sure what you are trying to prove writting this, no one in their right mind would believe that after 16 years a place this abusive could exist, and your little quirks made it even more believeable.. Its a shame that you are still thinking only of yourself and not your family...so are you still using???

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[> Subject: Re: My Personal Experience at Cross Creek MAnor


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Someone who Cares
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Date Posted: 09:57:44 02/27/05 Sun

If you would like to share your story where it can be shared with many, please e-mail me at kidsincaptivity@earthlink.net. There are many others like you who want to reach out and make a difference. Now you can.

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[> Subject: casa by the sea


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stephanie rasey
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Date Posted: 14:07:22 04/23/05 Sat

any girls that know me from casa e-mail me okay. srasey@hotmail.com

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[> Subject: TRANQUILITY BAY


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Cindy Art
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Date Posted: 00:02:52 07/17/05 Sun

I have been looking for a way to find support for those who have been affected by this institution. I was sent to Jamaica when I was 14 years old, against my will in 1997-1999. I was one of the founding 'students' of the Tranquility Bay Program.

The place doesn't enter my mind as much these days. At first it was very difficult transitioning back into the outside world. As many others, I had nightmares of being sent back, even after I was 18.

I have found that my life has been affected in certain aspects, and I would like to communicate with others who have experienced the same.

There are 'support groups' for parents [of which my father still attends, even 8 years later]. However, I haven't found anything to support the students. If anyone knows of anything, please contact me. If anyone would like to share experiences with me, please contact me.

My life is going well. Theres just certain parts I feel need to have some resolution.

Also, I have been trying to find Miika Miller. If anyone can help me, I would appreciate it.

Cindy

lucinda_j_art@yahoo.com

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[> Subject: Re: My Personal Experience at Cross Creek MAnor


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lele
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Date Posted: 04:55:35 12/09/05 Fri

well i was there too..and let me tell u it was a horrible experience..my parents finally pulled me after four months...MAN FUCK THEM PPPL...i hate them wit passion and they tortured me and i cant stand dem they lied and made me hate my parents...tried to brainwash meee and starved mee

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p
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Date Posted: 10:29:01 12/26/05 Mon

plese write me....i am trying to find a new girl there tessa from san diego ...i need info .
please pmillerca@cox.net

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Date Posted: 19:46:12 12/31/05 Sat

i just saw the nightmare....write me

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[> Subject: Re: My Personal Experience at Cross Creek MAnor


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cameron blundell
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Date Posted: 01:13:24 01/10/06 Tue

hey i was at cross creek from 2000- 2002. While i was there my sister came. Her name was Gillian Heppinstal, she was in d group and at the time she lived in the redlands california. well i havent seen or talked to her since so if anyone knows her or has any info on her please contact me

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[> Subject: Re: My Personal Experience at Cross Creek Manor


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Crystal
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Date Posted: 03:14:20 12/11/13 Wed

I saw that a few people had remembered a Crystal from Alaska. Has to be me :) I was in CCM from Thanksgiving Day 1996 to May 28,1999. There were so many things wrong with that place I don't have the energy to begin to recall them all here now. I was in E-Group. If anyone wants to email me, please feel free and I will respond back. Other girls I remember are: Danielle Norris, Gina Regan, Laura Fister, Leslie Willaby, Krystle Tea, Dawn Branagan, and Sarah Feldman. I remember other girls as well but since the experience was so traumatizing, I have mostly tried to forget it and not focus on it. Wish everyone with experience in the program the best. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. I have recently started a relationship with Jesus and started living by the Ten Commandments in the bible as much as possible, and things have started going better for me since then. All who were abused in the program, my condolences and prayers go out to you.

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CHRISTA ADKINS
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Date Posted: 21:25:53 08/11/15 Tue

Crystal,

Were by any chance there in 1992 or 1993. I remember a Crystal from Alaska. I was in with Shannon Tannehill, Tiffany, Leslie. I don't remember last names.

Christa

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shAnnon tannehill (yay)
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Date Posted: 18:14:11 09/17/15 Thu

Its shannon tannehill 7073675607

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[> Subject: Re: My Personal Experience at Cross Creek MAnor


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fuk croos fukn creek
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Date Posted: 04:27:51 12/19/14 Fri

My heart goes out to every victim that had to suffer at ccm.. I fukn hated it there and all the torture i ran the fukaway!!

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