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Subject: Why do we do this?

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Chris
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Date Posted: 21:48:25 06/26/09 Fri
In reply to: Fred4 's message, "Effects: recognizing, accepting reactions, and addressing" on 16:43:32 06/22/09 Mon

Why are some of us compelled to do this to ourselves? Is there a physical addiction as well as the psycological thing? Like alcoholism or smoking?
We pump water and things into the most private and taboo of our body's openings, enduring cramping and discomfort until we can't take any more. Then we spew out the most foul looking and smelling discharge our body produces, enduring more cramping and discomfort. And when we are done, we do it again. And again. For fun. What is wrong with this picture?
Every person who drinks a beer does not become an alcoholic, and every person who got an enema does not turn into a klismo, or whatever we are called. But some of us do. Is it in our genes?

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Richard to Chris
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Date Posted: 23:03:09 06/26/09 Fri

Chris....I think the reason some people who received enemas, as a child, develope an enema fetish is because of the WAY the enema is administered. Some mothers force the enema on the child. The whole enema experience becomes a very traumatic event in the young childs mind. This trauma, over time, turns into a life long fetish. Some people have suggested that such a traumatic event changes the brain chemistry of a young child. Over time, the enema fetish becomes a coping mechanism to deal with stress, everyday life and their childhood memories. The person who drinks 12 beers a day, and becomes an alcoholic, is using the same coping mechanism, to deal with stress, their childhood and everyday life. I think you can see the analogy between the two. Some people have a considerable problem dealing with their enema fetish and, wish they could turn to a support group, such as E A "Enema Anonymous" for help.

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Enjoysit
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Date Posted: 09:39:06 06/27/09 Sat

Please note, that alcoholism tends to destroy the liver, while enemas tend to relieve stress, sexual or otherwise. I would rather relieve the stress. Once you are over the guilt of talking about such things and can accept who you are, then you can relax and go with the flow of the joyful agony. I tend to think that it is in my nature. I believe the only time it is a problem, is if it interferes with finding ones passion in life and excelling at it. Go easy on yourself.

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Fred4 to Chris
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Date Posted: 09:02:44 06/28/09 Sun

Chris, if your situation is as Richard described, that you got bad enemas as a kid, then it is not unreasonable that is something you are trying to work out. You may be trying to prove to yourself that you can tolerate it, and maybe even looking forward to that opportunity itself, is your source. It seems totally understandable if that is the case.

As to why some do, and some don't, have those reactions, in many cases it may depend on how extreme were the childhood enema situations.

If you didn't get enemas as a child or got only mild ones, then there still may be something in what you feel is an inadequacy on your part. It is somewhat hard to get into addressing that unless that your situation is stated.

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Fred4
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Date Posted: 08:47:07 06/27/09 Sat

Richard gave an excellent answer, and it may be applicable to many who had enemas given the wrong way or too frequently as a child. If that is the case, sometimes it may not be bad to take apart what it is you are trying to achieve as a result of the childhood experience. It could be to get clean internally if that was stressed when young. If this was induced as an ordeal you should be able to handle as a kid, then you could well carry that objective into adulthood. If it was that you had no control of the process when you were a kid, and now do and in addition get an erection in the process, then that could be a contributing factor. In my case, it was to try to achieve what just a few other kids (not many) told me, that they had no trouble with their enemas; I was out to achieve the same outcome. I am sure there are more possible explanations. It may not be bad, Chris, for you to see what is yours. In so doing, do not become judgmental of yourself at all. In fact, view that as a potentially long process, and accept your feelings beyond what they now are. In the process, do not beat up on yourself when you continue to feel the urge and give yourself enemas.

I might add that it has been many years since I have given myself an enema. I think it is because of some of the processing of thoughts and feelings related to that, and some other realizations. One may not ever be totally off of what one felt; I know I'm not, but I feel I am well on my way there.

If your childhood enemas were not traumatic, or if you didn't have any enemas, the answer may be different. I think it is for two of those earlier in the post, who, while getting childhood enemas, were not under discomfort. Let's for the moment consider if you never had them as a kid. Maybe though there were pressures at times to prove yourself in other areas. So one time you try an enema, and get an erection while taking it, so there is also a stimulating effect with it. However, you also read how people can tolerate larger quantities or lots of cramps, and you feel you have to do that too.

Take it apart a bit, and definitely do not beat up on yourself in the process.

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Richard to Fred4
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Date Posted: 15:13:27 06/27/09 Sat

You wrote that it has been years since you have given yourself an enema. For me, it has been years since I have search the internet, the bars, and the newspapers to give someone an enema. My reason for this lack of interest, compared to what it use to be, is age. In other words, Fred4, you and I are getting older, and the desire, drive and compulsion is just not as strong as it once was. Twenty years ago, I would hit the bars with the intention of finding a beauty, and bringing that beauty home, for the purpose of giving an enema and the joy/release that always came afterward. I was always successful, because, as my doctor told me, I was "driven." Also, at that time, the enema giving experience/drive, was my passion in life. Age has taken its toll, on the motivation to continue that way of life, for better or for worse. In other words, the desire has gone to desire heaven, never to return to the original state. Join the club, Fred4, and others. Your personal comments, about the aging process, are invited.

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Fred4 to Richard
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Date Posted: 08:37:51 06/28/09 Sun

Richard, it may be part of the aging process, but for me that is not the main factor. What I find very helpful is taking apart what it is one feels - without judging yourself or saying to yourself that feeling should go away - and see (sometime not immediately) what else you might feel. I should also say I was not driven a lot (though some) to give myself enemas a lot in the first place, so that may have something to do with why I am not now.

Please excuse me if I am probing too deeply, but do you feel your desire to give women enemas was that as a kid you felt you were driven forcefully and not of your choice to have yourself cleaned out, and that you later felt that was something you wanted to do to women to whom you were attracted? Now, I infer from your post that you recently started here, you only give yourself enemas but still "as a life of its own".

I'll express a strange thought: Suppose you routinely keep on giving yourself enemas, but suppose you just think of them in a more mundane manner: you have stuff inside you and you simply are cleaning it out. I am not sure if that, or something else, may let you "think outside of the box" you are accustomed to doing - not rejecting the box you are thinking in, but thinking additional thoughts.

I've noted that my drive had been that I saw in my mind "perfect kids" or people who looked like those "perfect kids" who did not find enemas intolerable as I did as a kid. Fine. I later found in some cases that the bodily functions of the "look alikes" were no less smelly than mine, and in other cases realized it through my own thoughts. Also, a while back I anonymously wrote a couple of the "perfect kids" saying what my mind had created. They probably thought who could have sent this, and wasn't this crazy, so it didn't affect them at all. However, it was like a great step forward for me.

So, in summary, I think there may be things you can do that are in addition to the usual pattern that may help in getting away from that original pattern. I say "may", because maybe there are, maybe there aren't. It is a tough spot from which to move, but often there are some avenues available.

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Author: Richard to Fred4 [Edit]	Date Posted: 17:33:24 06/28/09 Sun Fred4....I am going to take a break from this particular thread for awhile. It has been an interesting thread, and the responses have been very good, from a variety of perspectives. Keep up the good work Fred4, and I will join you on another thread in the near future.......Richard [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Why do we do this?

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Chris to Richard
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Date Posted: 20:58:19 06/28/09 Sun

My early enemas were certainly not “traumatic”. Not very often and not very large. Mom would give me a few ounces of warm water with a bulb syringe. It didn’t hurt. Actually I thought it felt kinda good. I was probably no more than seven or eight when I gave myself my first enema with that bulb. Later mom switched to the bag. She prepared the bag while I wrapped a bath towel around me. She would lift the corner of the towel, spread my cheeks and slide it in. She would hand the clamp to me and I would be in control. She would say call me if you need help and leave the room.
I loved the feel of the water going in me but in those days I probably only took a pint to a quart. I was maybe 20 or so and in my own place before I had the guts to give myself a full bag. It took several tries. I had to prove to myself I could do it.
Since an enema was not a bad thing for me, I can sort of understand how this thing could develop. I really don’t understand your logic for why the people who say their enemas were “traumatic” continue to do it. I would think if the memory of their enemas was so bad, they would avoid having to take another enema ever again. That’s why I think it is an addiction. Otherwise why do it?

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