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Subject: Separate thoughts to Matt and Claudia


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Fred4
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Date Posted: 08:08:12 07/13/09 Mon
In reply to: Fred4 's message, "Effects: recognizing, accepting reactions, and addressing" on 16:43:32 06/22/09 Mon

The processing through of results of the childhood enemas can be an extremely challenging matter. It's only fair that I comment on my own images first, before commenting on each of yours. (Also, my comments on each of yours may or may not be correct, so I hope you will excuse me if I am off base.)

I mentioned in my mind as a kid were "perfect" kids, who told me back then that they did not find their enemas tough to take. That created lots of images of others who looked like them over the years. While not completely gone, there are now two friends of mine about whom I have the same image. I have no desire to give them enemas. However, I do try to picture that their bms are no different than others, and that they would have had the same problems as I with large childhood enemas. I don’t know if imaging helps, but it seems to in letting me approach picturing reality.

Matt, you had mentioned that as a result of your mother giving you enemas (often “out of the blue”) with adult women and daughters around your age watching, you found yourself later interested in the clothed female naked male (CFNM) area. My thought is about the females in that area. I imagine a number are bemused at seeing naked men, no different than the counterpart of most men being interested in seeing attractive naked women. However, I would expect some of those interested are because they may be attracted to the idea of continued subjugation of males, and I don’t think that would help in your processing your feelings. Thus, don’t look on the latter as necessarily of being of help.

Claudia, you are justifiably upset at receiving frequent and uncomfortable enemas as a child. You do make sure that enemas you give your children are not uncomfortable. The one thought I have is whether you also ask the question whether the enemas you give are all necessary. I happen to think that for the general population lots are given that are not necessary. I just wonder if in your getting rid of the “uncomfortable” characteristic, you also consider if a situation is a real cause requiring an enema.

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Claudia (to Fred4)
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Date Posted: 12:38:16 07/13/09 Mon

My mom told me I had a bowel problem and that's why all the enemas; however with neighbors watching it was humiliating and has given me a feeling of helplessness and vulnerability, especially as my husband gives me all the enemas I need now. My child may have inherited my bowel problem. When our doctor tells me to give him an enema, I always do. They are handled lovingly with care and patience. He has never cried and tells me how good he feels afterward. When I tell him he will have an enema, he gets ready for it by himself, gets on his stomach and raises a pillow under his hips on his bed. I come in with the bag and he has one or two enemas this way. I don't discuss this with the neighbors. It is never done on the bathroom floor on my knees as Mom often did to me, with others watching.

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Fred4
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Date Posted: 14:50:43 07/13/09 Mon

Claudia, It sounds like how you handle enemas for your son is perfect. You give them as a result of your doctor indicating he should get one (apparently done lots more sparingly now than years ago), and you give them to him very gently. You also give them privately, and don't humiliate him by telling others.

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Fred4
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Date Posted: 08:28:34 07/15/09 Wed

I had some additional thoughts, Claudia, which may or may not make sense to you. If not, please excuse me.

I clearly am not medically trained, but can accept that there are medical bowel conditions that may require enemas to address.

My first thought though is to ask your son's doctor if there are any good solutions to his bowel problems that can be safely and satisfactorily addressed that eventually work away from the need for enemas. If there are, great; if not, then my comments below are offered (and maybe some still apply in the interim anyway).

First, it wouldn't be at all surprising if there were a sexual component, as well as medical one, from your or your husband's or both of your standpoints, for the enemas your husband gives you. Presumably his are as gentle to you as yours are to your son. You may or may not also give gentle enemas to your husband, again with perhaps a sexual component included. I say this is reasonable for enemas you get at any rate, because this is in exact opposite to what you had to endure as a child.

I'll suggest you get a separate enema bag for your son, and the reason will become apparent shortly. That is a negligible cost, so that shouldn't matter.

As your son approaches puberty (assuming he has to continue with period enemas), he will obviously notice the erection he gets which would be true for any male. It would be good if the doctor explained that to him as a normal event, and also that that's far from the only way he will get erections (in other words, as he enjoys them, as he invariably would, he won't think that the enema is the only way of getting them).

I would also think it would be good by then to have trained him in how to give himself enemas the same way you give them to him, slowly and gently, and stopping with any discomfort. As a person reaches puberty, he prefers to do things that are highly personal himself. Maybe you will continue to get involved in the timing, but eventually he would give himself the enema.

I happen to believe that people, even children, can read events perhaps more than adults realize. At some point in time, he may realize that your enemas not only have a medical but also a sexual component as well. When you, maybe later but maybe not, explain how they were undomfortably given to you as a child, unspokenly he may understand why your husband gives you gentle enemas from time to time now. You don't need to say anything further, just that you were the recipient of severe and not privately communicated enemas as a child yourself, a sharp contrast to what he gets from you.

It is far better though that if he thinks of it, he separates the bag from which his enemas come as being different from the bag from which you get your enemas from your husband. It may or may not occur to him that there is a sexual component to the latter; if it doesn't, fine. In any event, he should not have any objection that the equipment used on him is just for his use only.

These are some thoughts I have, which may or may not be something you want to consider. Best wishes in any event.

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