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Subject: Ron, KAT, 2fish - #104370994 IS a 2nd gen black box 1860
Author: Bob - I was right but so what, it ain't gonna be a bargain [Edit]	Date Posted: 11:01:57 07/15/08 Tue OK, the seller answered my email about the serial number. The serial number IS 207921 (all matching on parts) which makes it a Colt 2nd generation, Series F, black box, 1860 Army .44 with fluted cylinder that was made in 1980. It has the correct barrel address, Colts Patent on the front left of the frame, and patent date on the cylinder. And guess what, the seller has now added this to the description: "What is the serial number of the gun? 207921 Are all of the parts matching serial numbers? Yes they are all matching." He should have just asked me to rewrite his listing from scratch and then put some good close up photos in there. If you want to see what a 2nd gen 1860 army with fluted cylinder looks like, go back and look at this one. That's what it is, and it looks just like the one I bought and returned years ago. If any of you are still worried, I will guarantee it for you. You buy it and if it is not a Colt Colt, I will refund your money for the gun - OK now I'm getting a little carried away (just funning with you worried nellies). Unfortunately, It is no longer a buy, much less a steal. I threw a small bid increase in there thinking the current bidder would cover it and he did (proxy bid, who knows what his max is). It's already up to $280. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: Ron, KAT, 2fish - #104370994 IS a 2nd gen black box 1860 -- K.A.T., 14:05:53 07/15/08 Tue Re: Yeah KAT, but it isn't going to sell for just $300. Did you bid? (NT) -- Bob, 14:32:42 07/15/08 Tue Re: Ron, KAT, 2fish - #104370994 IS a 2nd gen black box 1860 -- 2fish, 16:05:37 07/15/08 Tue

Subject: not quite right
Author: Dave [Edit]	Date Posted: 19:51:44 07/14/08 Mon Check out this Whitney. Look at the rammer attached to the loading lever. It's not right. But, what did it come from? A Colt maybe? http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=104523154 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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should look like this -- Dave, 19:56:03 07/14/08 Mon Re: should look like this -- Bob, 20:08:53 07/14/08 Mon Re: should look like this -- cork, 13:37:57 07/15/08 Tue Re: should look like this -- Dave, 14:19:52 07/15/08 Tue Yup Dave Jus' Like yours -- Smokin_Gun (Probly a prototype:O)), 22:04:54 07/14/08 Mon

Subject: long days, short nights...
Author: Uberti sister [Edit]	Date Posted: 13:43:56 07/15/08 Tue Just wanted you to know I was over Fuzzy's house the other night. That guy is sick. I won't tell you where, but he stuck me with a nipple pick. I asked to use his bathroom to powder my face, and he mentioned about some Goex in his bedroom drawer..? What's that all about..? He said it was next to his round balls. What a wise A$$! I told him what a dirty pig he was, and he said, "No, really, it's next to my lube". That about did it for me. Think I'll go back to WAGS. At least the moderater at Voy, brings me Joy! Later guy's! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: long days, short nights...//and didn`t even pop a cap! (NT) -- Dang Shame, 13:49:17 07/15/08 Tue Re: long days, short nights... -- K.A.T., 14:01:31 07/15/08 Tue Re: At least he didn't take you shooting -- Alfred P. Nueman, 14:02:42 07/15/08 Tue

Subject: Hey Smoking Gun, here's something out of left field ! ! !
Author: Stainless Bob [Edit]	Date Posted: 17:56:32 07/14/08 Mon Hey you Remmie range groopie 12-gun Yosemiti Sam smoke making, target shredding, stainless, engraved, blued, patinaed, oiled and ready to Pop basket case . . . Forget about that ungrateful whore fluted 1860 that didn't appreciate my loving advances . . . forget about that Sig Series 1851 with no turn line on the cylinder that I just won on Gun Broker for $400 + $15 shipping,. This morning I mailed a $201 Post Office money order for my unfired (supposedly) Pietta stainless Remington New Model Army .44 with target sights. OoooOOoooh, yeah that's right grasshopper. Uncle Bob just blind sided you big time! ! ! Never breathed a word about it, did I? Actually, I was hoping to totally steal it at $150, but there was no way that was going to happen. Even so, $181 + $20 shipping seemed fair enough. Will see if it's a Remington you would want to name if you had it. I never liked Remington's with target sights because they didn't look original. And I didn't like stainless for the same reason. However, for clean shooting and easier "dialing in" to use Thumper's phrase, I think this gun is potentially cool at a very reasonable cost. And that's what black powder shooting should be about, right Smokin'? (bet you want to see a pic when it comes) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: Hey Smoking Gun, here's something out of left field ! ! ! -- Smokin_Gun (I'll be Dang, I had to look outside for lightnin'), 18:21:05 07/14/08 Mon obsessed? -- Dave, 18:34:53 07/14/08 Mon Re: obsessed? -- Bob, 18:39:00 07/14/08 Mon Re: obsessed? / I need help -- Sundance44s, 06:30:17 07/15/08 Tue Re: obsessed? / I need help? Just wait. -- Bob, 11:21:26 07/15/08 Tue

Subject: CVA 50 caliber rifle and pistof for sale
Author: Uncle Lee [Edit]	Date Posted: 06:18:41 07/15/08 Tue I have a CVA pistol and rifle that I would like to sell. They are just like I bought them so I don't now how they shoot. http://traditionalmuzzleloadingcheap.com/forum/index.php?topic=188.0 ul [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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It is spoken for (NT) -- Uncle Lee, 10:25:00 07/15/08 Tue

Subject: Lee USPS M.O. On the Way
Author: Smokin_Gun (for the Griswold & Gunnison .36 X 5" NIB :O) (pg2) [Edit]	Date Posted: 10:33:28 07/14/08 Mon Folks I din't have any Reb Revs just hand me down Yankee ones:O) Lee forced me into takin' this NIB Navy Arms Reb...HeeHee! Thanks Lee mon' General... SG Mosby's Rangers 43rd Virginia Cavalry C.S.A. SASS# 19634 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: Lee USPS M.O. On the Way (pg2 -- Smokin_Gun (Griswold & Gunnison .36 X 5" NIB :O), 10:34:47 07/14/08 Mon Re: Good one Smokin ! -- Sundance44s, 10:46:31 07/14/08 Mon Re: Good one Smokin ! -- Sundance44s, 11:13:30 07/14/08 Mon Re: Good one Smokin ! -- Smokin_Gun (I had one but brief...gotta go back out alone...), 14:06:28 07/14/08 Mon Re: Lee USPS M.O. On the Way (pg2 -- Bob, 12:19:11 07/14/08 Mon The G&G will be in the mail today. ;oD -- Uncle Lee, 04:45:31 07/15/08 Tue The G&G is on the way -- Uncle Lee, 08:54:49 07/15/08 Tue Re: The G&G will be in the mail today. ;oD -- Smokin_Gun (Thanks Uncle Lee...), 09:46:37 07/15/08 Tue

Subject: ruger old army
Author: harlan [Edit]	Date Posted: 22:20:05 07/14/08 Mon looking for info on ruger old army is it still avail? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: ruger old army -- Fuzzy, 05:46:25 07/15/08 Tue Re: Fuzzy / conversion cylinder question -- Sundance44s, 06:22:44 07/15/08 Tue Re: Fuzzy / conversion cylinder question -- Fuzzy, 06:35:04 07/15/08 Tue Re: Fuzzy / conversion cylinder question -- Sundance44s, 06:40:19 07/15/08 Tue Re: Fuzzy / conversion cylinder question -- S4B, 08:34:09 07/15/08 Tue Re: Fuzzy / conversion cylinder question -- Smokin_Gun (Sundance ROA Specs), 08:56:16 07/15/08 Tue Re: Fuzzy / conversion cylinder question -- Smokin_Gun (Sundance R&S Specs), 09:09:35 07/15/08 Tue Re: Smokin -- Sundance44s, 09:21:09 07/15/08 Tue Re:Harlan //didn`t mean to high jack your Post / sorry (NT) -- Sundance44s, 09:23:50 07/15/08 Tue Re: Smokin -- Smokin_Gun (Pietta has three diferant sets of specs...), 09:36:24 07/15/08 Tue Re: Smokin -- Smokin_Gun (Shame about the Uberti mine cuts cloverleafs), 09:41:52 07/15/08 Tue Re: Fuzzy / conversion cylinder question -- Smokin_Gun (Sundance Euroarms Specs), 09:21:33 07/15/08 Tue

Subject: Signature 1851 Navy
Author: Ron [Edit]	Date Posted: 16:07:48 07/14/08 Mon BOB! Dude!! You got it!!! I'm like WAY impressed. $400 for a NIB Signature Navy. NICE!!!!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: Signature 1851 Navy - low-ball -- Bob, 17:13:54 07/14/08 Mon Re: Signature 1851 Navy -- K.A.T., 17:29:45 07/14/08 Mon Re: Signature 1851 Navy / good going ! (NT) -- Sundance44s, 06:35:29 07/15/08 Tue

Subject: SC............Cylinders
Author: Jerry " Back to California" [Edit]	Date Posted: 17:45:47 07/14/08 Mon Tried to send you prices on the cylinders but emails are returned...won't accept smokin_gun@att.net [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: SC............Cylinders -- Smokin_Gun (Jerry It should I just talked to there???), 17:57:37 07/14/08 Mon Re: SC............Cylinders -- Smokin_Gun (Ooops it wasnt you it was Snaggletooth), 17:59:04 07/14/08 Mon Smokin_Gun@att.net is It and It's workin' -- Smokin_Gun (Can't Jerry in email addy book ...see below), 18:06:32 07/14/08 Mon Jerry You Got Mail! -- Smokin_Gun (see if you can reply then try email again), 22:06:50 07/14/08 Mon Somebody please send me an email? -- Smokin_Gun (Testing ~~~~thanks), 22:45:17 07/14/08 Mon Email is Workin' Thanks -- Smokin_Gun, 23:40:31 07/14/08 Mon Jerry -- Uncle Lee, 04:46:55 07/15/08 Tue

Subject: OK 2fish & all interested - it IS a 2nd gen 1860 . . . BUT
Author: Bob [Edit]	Date Posted: 12:48:51 07/14/08 Mon I'm going to repeat this web address for those who missed it in my prior post. It's a good reference with Colt Photos and markings. http://www.thespiritoftheoldwest.com/Collecting-Firearms-Colts.htm So I called the gun shop Little Crow Shooting Sports that listed the controverial 1860 with fluted cylinder. I was in a hurry to go out so I spoke very briefly with a guy who's name I already forgot (Chad?), and didn't even ask questions like how's the cylinder indexing and lockup. He said he didn't really know anything about these cap-n-ballers. Here's what I found out: 1 - It was owned by their Ruger rep who got tired of it. The gun comes by itself with NO black box or papers. That combined with the fact that it has been shot and roughed up means it's 2nd gen collector value is in the toilet. 2 - It DOES say Colts Patent on the front left of the frame. 3 - I remembered vaguely that the fluted 1860 I bought and returned years ago had patent writing on the cylinder between the flutes and asked this guy to check. He said YES and I think he said Patented Sept. 7, 1860, but I didn't write anything down. 4 - He said there is NO Sam'l Colt signature on the back strap. 5 - I thought he said the serial number was 307,9xx. BUT, when I checked with A History of Black Powder Reproductions, it said that Colt 2nd gen F series with fluted cylinders were made from July 1980 through October 1981 in serial number range 207330 to 211262!!! I am so senile I walk into walls if I try to walk and chew gum at the same time. In fact I gave up chewing gum because I kept biting my tongue. SO . . . maybe he said 207,9xx which would make this a 1980 F series black box fluted cylinder 1860. Well, that's all for now. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: 2fish about your prior comment -- Bob, 13:19:25 07/14/08 Mon Dang I must just me lucky, frugel, and smart then:O) -- Smokin_Gun (Bob what would you like be to get for you, HeeHee!), 13:36:47 07/14/08 Mon Re: Dang I must just me lucky, frugel, and smart then:O) -- Bob, 13:46:27 07/14/08 Mon Re: OK Troopers I just messed up the 1860 auction -- Bob - The seller added info to the listing, 14:05:30 07/14/08 Mon Re: OK Troopers I just messed up the 1860 auction -- Smokin_Gun (Email him back...), 14:08:38 07/14/08 Mon Re: SG - I did email for the serial #, but he's very slow to answer -- Bob, 14:24:35 07/14/08 Mon Re: The 1860 is already at $266 with 1 1/2 days to go (NT) -- Bob - I'm officially forgetting about this pile of junk! (See how fickle I can be with repros), 14:30:44 07/14/08 Mon Re: The 1860 is already at $266 with 1 1/2 days to go -- Smokin_Gun (Find yourself a good inexpensive Euroarms Rem), 15:49:00 07/14/08 Mon Re: SG - Old ASM's had Colt markings -- Bob, 16:53:22 07/14/08 Mon Re: SG - Old ASM's had Colt markings -- Smokin_Gun (Startin' to worry me you sound like I do, alone), 23:50:03 07/14/08 Mon Re: The 1860 is already at $266 with 1 1/2 days to go -- K.A.T., 15:57:33 07/14/08 Mon Re: The 1860 is already at $266 with 1 1/2 days to go -- Smokin_Gun (ASM 1860), 16:40:47 07/14/08 Mon

Subject: Ron(Canadian Cowboy) Got Gen. Lee & Lee's '51's Poster today
Author: Smokin_Gun (I Love it is great~~~thank you very much) [Edit]	Date Posted: 14:15:42 07/14/08 Mon Guess where it is? See pg2, I wantd to post it on this page :O) SG Mosby's Rangers 43rd Virginia Cavalry C.S.A. SASS# 19634 Last edited by author: Mon July 14, 2008 14:16:45 Edited 1 time. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I put sumfin here to see... -- Smokin_Gun (WoW! (I say it louder)), 14:16:56 07/14/08 Mon Re: Ron(Canadian Cowboy) Got Gen. Lee & Lee's '51's Poster today -- Smokin_Gun ((ooops got excited...), 14:19:02 07/14/08 Mon Re: Very nice SG -- Bob, 14:33:34 07/14/08 Mon Re: Very nice SG -- Smokin_Gun (I'm a Ghost of pic up above Jus' found that pic), 15:10:38 07/14/08 Mon Re:SNAGGLETOOTH did you get my Email Reply? -- Smokin_Gun (Din't know ifin it Went out, lemme know will redo), 16:12:17 07/14/08 Mon Re:SNAGGLETOOTH did you get my Email Reply? -- Snaggletooth, 20:42:10 07/14/08 Mon Re:SNAGGLETOOTH did you get my Email Reply? -- Smokin_Gun (LOL! you got the email...HeeHeeHee!), 22:13:57 07/14/08 Mon Re: Ron(Canadian Cowboy) Got Gen. Lee & Lee's '51's Poster today -- Ron (Canadian Cowboy), 15:50:03 07/14/08 Mon Re: Ron(Canadian Cowboy) Got Gen. Lee & Lee's '51's Poster today -- Smokin_Gun (Thanks Ron, Put it over a Norman Rockwell :O)), 16:26:34 07/14/08 Mon

Subject: Hey Ron (Canadian Cowboy) about that 1851 Navy
Author: Bob [Edit]	Date Posted: 19:54:55 07/13/08 Sun Hey Ron, you had the only bid on that vintage C series (brown box) 2nd gen 1851 - GB #104393172. Do you think I could get away with the only bid ($400) on a Signature Series 1851? We'll find out tomorrow, but I kind of doubt it. Check out Gun Broker #104573649. The color case doesn't look up to snuff in those photos, but I'm thinking it's probably better than the photos, because every Sig Series I've seen had good color case. The box is perfect and no turn line on the cylinder. So, if I did get it I would leave it the way it is for future collector value. Of course, If Smoking Gun wants to get an expensive 1851 and shoot the C..P out of it . . . well, I don't mind. One less clean Colt virgin isn't the end of the world. PS: I REALLY don't like the Colt signature on the back straps of these 3rd gen Colts, but the boxes are great when in new condition like this one.. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: PS: Another flaky thing you can find on Sig Series -- Bob, 20:05:21 07/13/08 Sun Re: PS: Another flaky thing you can find on Sig Series -- Smokin_Gun (Thanks Bob, rather Shoot my Colt Dragoon 3rd Gen), 21:29:56 07/13/08 Sun Re: PS: 2nd/3rd gen Colts don't have better actions -- Bob, 23:21:26 07/13/08 Sun Re: Hey Ron (Canadian Cowboy) about that 1851 Navy -- Smokin_Gun (Dint say I like the Colt Signature Series because), 21:35:42 07/13/08 Sun Re: Hey Ron (Canadian Cowboy) about that 1851 Navy -- Ron (Canadian Cowboy), 23:24:13 07/13/08 Sun Re: Hey Ron - You're right you should wait to the last minute. -- Bob, 23:56:19 07/13/08 Sun Re: Hey Ron, Smoking Gun, 2fish, et all - here's why I bid -- Bob, 00:32:25 07/14/08 Mon Re: Hey Ron, Smoking Gun, 2fish, et all - here's why I bid -- Ron, 06:11:50 07/14/08 Mon Re: Hey Ron, Smoking Gun, 2fish, et all - here's why I bid -- Smokin_Gun (It's an Addiction Plain and simple...), 18:27:00 07/14/08 Mon Re: Hey Ron, Smoking Gun, 2fish, et all - here's why I bid -- Ron, 06:15:32 07/14/08 Mon Re: Hey Ron, Smoking Gun, 2fish, et all - here's why I bid -- Ron, 12:13:23 07/14/08 Mon Re: Naw Ron, there usually will be someone waiting to the very end to bid (NT) -- Bob (but maybe so - $400 would be sweet), 12:58:18 07/14/08 Mon Re: Hey Ron, Smoking Gun, 2fish, et all - here's why I bid -- Smokin_Gun (I'd be sick if I'd sold that Dragoon), 08:21:36 07/14/08 Mon Re: SG - Yeah I was real disappointed in what I got for that jewel (NT) -- No Dragoon left Bob, 10:22:42 07/14/08 Mon

Subject: Sentinal to the Gates Of the Kingdom of VOY
Author: The Shadow [Edit]	Date Posted: 06:30:51 07/14/08 Mon Where has our Sentrie been? Who? Well WAGS of course. I read somewhere that he had been tied up for a coupla days. I wonder.....has he been obducted or playing with a rough dominating girlfiend? If he's been obducted we'll have to pay the ransom to get him back and if it's the dominating women well......can we join in? Do Cap&ball revolvers play into whatever scenario is inacted? Do we wear our Cowboy leather and cloths and boots and all? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: Sentinal to the Gates Of the Kingdom of VOY -- Uberti sisters, 06:43:42 07/14/08 Mon Re: Sentinal to the Gates Of the Kingdom of VOY -- Wags, 13:58:19 07/14/08 Mon Re: Sentinal to the Gates Of the Kingdom of VOY -- Uberti Twins, 14:41:25 07/14/08 Mon Re: Sentinal to the Gates Of the Kingdom of VOY -- Alfred P. Nueman, 15:44:26 07/14/08 Mon

Subject: New Rev?
Author: Smokin_Gun (Congrads Wayner:O) [Edit]	Date Posted: 08:43:52 07/13/08 Sun Hee Hee! SG Mosby's Rangers 43rd Virginia Cavalry C.S.A. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: New Rev? -- Wayne (Whoooodaaawaaaaadaaaa?), 09:05:07 07/13/08 Sun Re: New Rev? -- K.A.T., 09:26:30 07/13/08 Sun Re: New Rev? -- Nowhere near enough KAT ha ha ha, 10:06:33 07/13/08 Sun Re: New Rev? -- K.A.T., 15:06:54 07/13/08 Sun Re: New Rev? -- Smokin_Gun (I want it already, got one engraved(Barbie) need 2), 21:44:17 07/13/08 Sun Re: New Rev? -- Smokin_Gun (Git it right wayne, it's ...), 18:29:04 07/13/08 Sun I am Crazy as a Loon on July Moon... -- Smokin_Gun (and you are a bad influence on me...), 22:07:19 07/13/08 Sun Re: New Rev? -- Wayne, 23:23:22 07/13/08 Sun Re: New Rev? -- Smokin_Gun (I gotta write it down this time(((((counting))))), 23:32:50 07/13/08 Sun Re: New Rev? -- K.A.T., 15:22:25 07/14/08 Mon Re: New Rev? -- Uncle Lee, 09:39:05 07/13/08 Sun Re: New Rev? -- Thank you kindly Uncle Lee, 22:50:43 07/13/08 Sun Re: New Rev? -- Smokin_Gun (Who's kiddin'?), 23:24:01 07/13/08 Sun Re: New Rev? -- Long Johns Wolf, 07:39:57 07/14/08 Mon My Old Belgian S/N Wayne -- Smokin_Gun (Was either Capt. Willard or Wolf, wanting it), 08:32:20 07/14/08 Mon Re: My Old Belgian S/N Wayne -- Long Johns Wolf, 09:04:27 07/14/08 Mon

Subject: R&S given another chance at redemption .
Author: Sundance44s [Edit]	Date Posted: 11:42:01 07/13/08 Sun I got lucky at the shooting club yesterday , and ran into a friend that was shooting his 1860 Pietta useing .457 balls ..So he gave me a handfull of them to try in the R&S which I didn`t take to the range yesterday ...I only took a hand full of Remingtons ...thought they needed a hug after Wayners talking bad about them and all ..hehehe .. Got a Question to Wayne and others that shoot 1860 Piettas ..my friend loaded up his 1860 no wads no lube , says thats the way he likes to shoot ..anywho he hands it to me when I tell him I probally should buy one , It`s one I don`t have ..hard to beleive but I do like the Navy better ..The question is I just want to know what you guys that shoot the 1860 expect for accuracy ..This Pietta shot 1 and 1/2 foot to the left at 15 yards and about 5 inches high .....ok I emptyed the cylinder at paper 15 yards ..he loaded it up again I took on the standing ground hog at 75 yards ..it shot perfect elevation at this range BUT ..windage was 3 foot to the left this time ..Also the cylinder binded up on the 3rd shot of this second cylinder full so I helped it index for the last 2 .My friend said no problem he just loosens the wedge a little and keeps loading and shooting ...Is this normal accuracy for a Pietta 1860 ???? My Navy shoots much better dead on windage and it`s made by Pietta also . This morning I take the R&S out back for a little fence post assisted redemption ..the pic is posted below ... it shot much better , nice tighter grouping ..more like my Remingtons ..I will have to replace the front sight though ..who ever owned it must have sighted in for 75 yards ..( Not my way of sighting a pistol in ) ...Now knowing for sure it needs a .457 ball ..which by the way doesn`t shave lead eaither ,( chambers are chamffered ) I will order a mold to do some casting yet another ballsize . [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: PIC -- Sundance44s, 11:43:05 07/13/08 Sun Re: Thumper Question ???? -- Sundance44s, 11:49:56 07/13/08 Sun Re: Thumper Question ???? -- Thumper, 13:01:18 07/13/08 Sun Re: PIC -- Smokin_Gun (Sounds like it was a good time Sundance), 17:56:10 07/13/08 Sun Re: R&S given another chance at redemption . -- K.A.T., 14:34:05 07/13/08 Sun Re: R&S given another chance at redemption . -- Wayne, 23:08:59 07/13/08 Sun Re: 1860 / Wayner -- Sundance44s, 03:47:54 07/14/08 Mon Re: 1860 / Wayner -- Wayne, 06:58:19 07/14/08 Mon Re: 1860 / Wayner / Wasn`t fouling -- Sundance44s, 10:59:12 07/14/08 Mon

Subject: Kittery
Author: Dave [Edit]	Date Posted: 05:23:18 07/14/08 Mon The BP case at Kittery is emptying out. Gone: 1851 & 1860 2nd Generation (each under $500). 1851 .36 original. Most of the Ruger Old Armies. They did mark an 1861 .36 Navy from $4000 to $3400 (great gun). They have a few original 1849s for $3000 and up (one is cased, in mint condition),and a side hammer (Allen & Wheelock?) for under $1000. There's still a few Italian deals left - a nice 1860 .44 that I posted about last week for $135. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: Kittery//Dave -- Sundance44s, 05:45:29 07/14/08 Mon Re: Kittery//Dave -- Wayne, 06:20:03 07/14/08 Mon Re: Kittery//Dave -- Smokin_Gun (It's the one I was gonna get steel frame says 80%), 08:06:52 07/14/08 Mon Re: Kittery -- Wayne, 06:13:45 07/14/08 Mon Re: Kittery /Wayne /ASM -- Sundance44s, 06:30:33 07/14/08 Mon Re: Kittery -- Dave, 07:19:26 07/14/08 Mon Re: Kittery -- Sundance44s, 08:16:14 07/14/08 Mon

Subject: do you believe a colt 1858 army type ?
Author: 2fish [Edit]	Date Posted: 17:35:06 07/13/08 Sun check it out.104370994 on gun broker.The price is not bad yet but I am going to pass. He say's colt america on the barrel.I put it on my watch list. I want to see who buys that for the way it is listed. If I bought it, it would have to be a cheap shooter.The sellers rating is 98%. any guesses what it is ???.4 screws on the side. No colt patent on the left frame.No pictures on the serial no's.My colt's are embarresed with that listing. George [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Colt -- Dave, 17:46:53 07/13/08 Sun Re: do you believe a colt 1858 army type ? -- Smokin_Gun (2fish contact them and ask the Reserve price...), 18:00:16 07/13/08 Sun Re: do you believe a colt 1858 army type ? -- 2fish, 18:12:07 07/13/08 Sun Re: Relax troopers Uncle Bob emailed seller -- Bob, 18:14:54 07/13/08 Sun Re: Did seller tell you no colt patent on frame? -- Bob, 18:21:22 07/13/08 Sun Re: Bad listings sometimes give good buys -- Bob, 18:44:58 07/13/08 Sun Re: Bad listings sometimes give good buys -- 2fish, 21:38:27 07/13/08 Sun Re: Bad listings sometimes give good buys -- Ron (Canadian Cowboy), 06:31:19 07/14/08 Mon

Subject: Hey SG
Author: Wags [Edit]	Date Posted: 12:32:29 07/13/08 Sun Sorry about that friend, yes... going to be back tonight, I apologize for the delay- will have to review the topics, can't just yet, I got tied up yesterday and today- or please feel free to fill me in so when I get back tonight so I can see if I can help. I'll be back soon as I can. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: Hey SG -- Smokin_Gun (Ok Wag take yur time, yur missed /SITREP OWOK), 17:36:43 07/13/08 Sun Re: Hey SG -- Wags, 00:45:40 07/14/08 Mon

Subject: Bob,where are you??
Author: 2fish [Edit]	Date Posted: 22:18:22 07/13/08 Sun Bob, sorry I tried replying earlier to my post and it would not Take.See new reply. Watch your boxes,sn's,ponies and deceptive listings. they are like used car salesmen they want your money.It is tough eneough buying by a pic. Do you remember the indian head penny on the wooden box I replied to.I have a lot of Colt's and enjoy watching them go up in price.Take Care George [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: 2fish - Dang, now I lost my post -- Bob, 00:04:16 07/14/08 Mon

Subject: Dan more than 20gr talk to S4b as to how much More
Author: Smokin_Gun Non-ROA (Nope not my cup a tee but correct on 20gr in ROA) [Edit]	Date Posted: 15:42:18 07/12/08 Sat You are correct then with a ROA, use more powder or filler, and have a hot breakfast:O) Not correct for the rest of the C&B World. Why would you shoot 20gr in a .44 anyway??? I shoot and collect 19th Century C&B Revolvers. I won't get into that as it's another topic. It a good Rev but not an 1800's repro or original. By your leave, SG Grey Ghost Colonel 43rd Virginia Cavalry Mosby's Rangers C.S.A. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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S4B on ROA -- Smokin_Gun (would you explain the massive cylinder to me?), 23:41:24 07/12/08 Sat Re: S4B on ROA -- S4B, 07:30:22 07/13/08 Sun ROA -- Dave, 08:15:10 07/13/08 Sun Re: S4B on ROA -- Smokin_Gun (Coffee Dave, or Iced Coffee, borrow my O2 tank...), 08:33:53 07/13/08 Sun Sorry S4B -- Smokin_Gun (shouldn't perceive things as I do sometimes), 18:48:34 07/13/08 Sun Re: Sorry S4B -- S4B, 19:29:04 07/13/08 Sun Re: Sorry S4B -- Smokin_Gun (Thanks S4B...will do), 22:13:28 07/13/08 Sun

Subject: Smoking Gun - No FFL required for Centennial
Author: Bob [Edit]	Date Posted: 11:51:31 07/09/08 Wed SG, you jumped to the wrong conclusion on that Belgian Colt 1860 reproduction when you read the seller's "All firearms shipped to an FFL only." Go back and read the rest of the line: "the only exceptions are antique or blackpowder firearms made as reproductions." Relax, this seller isn't that uptight that he would require an FFL for a Colt black powder repro. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: Undersized trigger guard -- Bob, 12:05:37 07/09/08 Wed Re: Undersized trigger guard -- Smokin_Gun (Naw thanks though Bob got lucky with last 5 Revs), 15:28:15 07/09/08 Wed Re: Undersized trigger guard -- Long Johns Wolf, 01:50:26 07/10/08 Thu Re: Undersized trigger guard -- Smokin_Gun (May have to ask Wayne but 691a guess but 3 digit), 02:08:06 07/10/08 Thu Re: Smoking Gun - No FFL required for Centennial -- Capt. Willard, 13:29:30 07/09/08 Wed Re: Smoking Gun - No FFL required for Centennial -- Smokin_Gun (Yessir Capt. we do need that Wayner's Skills), 17:37:52 07/10/08 Thu Re: Smoking Gun - No FFL required for Centennial -- Capt. Willard, 20:18:48 07/13/08 Sun Re: Smoking Gun - No FFL required for Centennial -- The Shadow, 17:50:47 07/10/08 Thu Re: Smoking Gun - No FFL required for Centennial -- Smokin_Gun (Hey Shadow), 22:09:35 07/10/08 Thu

Subject: 1858 rem
Author: 2fish [Edit]	Date Posted: 13:13:31 07/13/08 Sun OK, SG made me do it.I just bid on 104646266 on gun broker. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: 1858 rem - Looks good -- Bob, 13:20:04 07/13/08 Sun Re: thx bob -- 2fish, 13:58:46 07/13/08 Sun Re: 1858 rem -- 2fish, 14:10:40 07/13/08 Sun Re: 1858 rem -- Dave, 14:46:59 07/13/08 Sun Re: thx Dave -- 2fish, 15:29:31 07/13/08 Sun Re: Optical illusion -- Bob, 16:07:11 07/13/08 Sun Re: thx Dave -- Smokin_Gun (I heard that!!! :O), 17:35:00 07/13/08 Sun Re: thx Dave -- 2fish, 18:01:41 07/13/08 Sun Re: thx Dave -- Smokin_Gun (LoL! I went there and saw it..I'm frugel it's yurs), 18:21:51 07/13/08 Sun Re: 1858 rem -- Smokin_Gun (Great job follow that one thru... a real beauty), 17:30:06 07/13/08 Sun

Subject: I Wan' You To Meet My Leetle Friens"....
Author: Thumper [Edit]	Date Posted: 10:23:22 07/13/08 Sun Badges??? We don' need no stinkin' badges !!!! First pic, of my newly refurbished R&S http://www.fmtc.com/~tfl1x/NewR&S.jpg Next is my whole collection to date, 3 Rogers & Spencers (the one in white is an original civilian), 2 Remmies, one Griswald and one basketcase 36/44 parts gun combo. http://www.fmtc.com/~tfl1x/PistolCollection.jpg [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: I Wan' You To Meet My Leetle Friens".... -- Sundance44s, 11:19:10 07/13/08 Sun Re: I Wan' You To Meet My Leetle Friens".... -- Smokin_Gun (Dang good job on the R&S), 18:18:46 07/13/08 Sun

Subject: Is everthing back to normal yet ?
Author: 2fish [Edit]	Date Posted: 11:29:38 07/13/08 Sun A magican wants to cast a spell on everyone.I thought they made rabbits come out of a hat and spells were cast by voodoo or witch doctors.BY golley everyone jumped all over that guy. well it must have worked. Wayne is back. SG is dogging everone to stay up with him buying guns. everone else is feeding sg info on buying more. And I am laughing my you know what off trying to catch up with what is going on.I have been back for three days after taking six home and one gun show and have not spent a nickle yet.I am going to resort to what I put on hold.a pair of colt's.1851's,consective no's,boxed set,engraved steel,about 2/3 scale of a normal 1851.I have tried to find out about them but to no avail.the price is right 500 for the pair and I know the dealer and they are true colt's. If anyone knows what they are please let me know. I have added my email if anyone needs to reach me. George [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: Is everthing back to normal yet ? -- K.A.T., 14:44:18 07/13/08 Sun Re: with that reply every thing is back to normal -- 2fish, 15:56:27 07/13/08 Sun

Subject: 45-70 pistol
Author: ron (45-70 1873 trapdoor pistol) [Edit]	Date Posted: 14:03:04 07/13/08 Sun 1873 trapdoor reciever with 12 " barrel no rifling good 45-70 breech just need hammer,trigger and wood.would sell anybody intersted. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: 45-70 pistol -- 2fish, 14:17:55 07/13/08 Sun Re: 45-70 pistol -- ron (no other parts), 14:30:37 07/13/08 Sun Re: 45-70 pistol -- 2fish, 15:07:11 07/13/08 Sun

Subject: smokeless in a conversion cylinder
Author: Dennis [Edit]	Date Posted: 20:53:36 07/11/08 Fri I have a Uberti 1847 walker repro and I plan on using an R&D conversion cylinder. Can I use smokeless cowboy loads? Is there even such a thing and can a decreased smokeless charge be used in the original cylinder or is it best to use blackpowder loads all around. I am new to this and am ignorant on the subject but have read these cylinders are steel with the R&D being quite stout so they are not as prone to rupture as the original iron cylinders. What about the barrel? I under the physics of pressures and limitations on these weapons but would like some of your opinions. Thank you. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: smokeless in a conversion cylinder -- Smokin_Gun ("Black Powder Only"), 21:32:44 07/11/08 Fri Re: smokeless in a conversion cylinder -- DEVERS, 12:39:45 07/13/08 Sun Re: smokeless in a conversion cylinder -- Wayne, 22:55:41 07/11/08 Fri Re: smokeless in a conversion cylinder -- Dennis, 09:46:56 07/12/08 Sat

Subject: Old Army question
Author: Dan [Edit]	Date Posted: 20:41:44 07/08/08 Tue Hey, I have a Ruger Old Army and it says in the manual to use #10 percussion caps....I have #11s....will they work? Also it says to use .457 round balls...I have .454's...will these work? Thanks [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: Old Army question -- Snaggletooth, 21:13:03 07/08/08 Tue Re: Old Army question -- Peter, 21:24:55 07/08/08 Tue Re: Old Army question -- S4B, 21:18:20 07/08/08 Tue Re: Old Army question -- Snaggletooth, 07:14:55 07/09/08 Wed Re: Old Army question -- dan, 10:02:50 07/09/08 Wed Re: Old Army question -- Dave, 10:54:15 07/09/08 Wed Re: Old Army question -- dan, 14:09:32 07/09/08 Wed Re: Old Army question -- Uncle Lee, 10:26:56 07/10/08 Thu Re: Old Army question -- Dave, 19:28:34 07/10/08 Thu Re: Old Army question -- dan, 19:55:53 07/10/08 Thu I don't know -- Uncle Lee (Yummie), 04:28:06 07/11/08 Fri Re: Old Army question -- Smokin_Gun (Dan like Lee said do yourself a favor eat cornmeal), 06:41:19 07/11/08 Fri Re: Smokin /Glad you aren`t wasteing my Grits that way !! (NT) -- Sundance44s, 10:07:14 07/11/08 Fri Re: Old Army question -- dan, 13:53:16 07/11/08 Fri Re: Old Army question -- Smokin_Gun (Dan use the wad or the Lube Pill dump the filler), 11:06:13 07/12/08 Sat Re: Old Army question -- dan, 12:09:21 07/13/08 Sun

Subject: Bullets and balls
Author: Snaggletooth [Edit]	Date Posted: 16:25:24 07/12/08 Sat A friend just sent me some stuff that he has been getting rid of. One of the boxes says Buffalo Bullet Company 36 caliber Bullet Weight .375 diameter 125 Grains Round Nosed Pistol Bullets Dry lubricated over powder Wads There are about 100 conicals and 100 wads. They are a funny color and look rough. Has anyone seen these? Oh Yeah, Smoking gun. Im the proud owner of a .44 Tatger Remington. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: Bullets and balls -- Smokin_Gun (Good Deal Snaggletooth, I'm happy for Ya!:O)), 17:32:36 07/12/08 Sat Re: Bullets and balls -- Snaggletooth, 18:37:55 07/12/08 Sat Re: Bullets and balls -- Smokin_Gun (ASM 1860), 19:50:53 07/12/08 Sat Re: Bullets and balls -- Wayne, 08:33:39 07/13/08 Sun Re: Bullets and balls -- Snaggletooth, 10:40:27 07/13/08 Sun

Subject: 1860's Colt Army revolver
Author: Wayner [Edit]	Date Posted: 11:13:57 07/11/08 Fri I guess since I'm so enamored with the Centennials that I can reason the favorite for me is that style of cap&baller. The Walkers and Dragoons are fine and the Navy is fine but the 1860 Army Colt is just about right. It could use a little more space for about 10 grains extra powder but I guess it can handle enough. Right Smokin, Oldelm Rem lovers, the Remingtons can handle more powder but.....They ain't comin out of the leather as fast and ain't gonmna point as well neither. ha ha ha ha Take that you dirt rollin mucked up blue balled(shoot blue lead balls in yer guns)duck billed Rem lovers. Anywhoooo......in a sustained use of the Army revolver it will be a service to it's operator longer and load faster than the Remington. The myth that the Rems load faster is sustained by people who deduce that fact without practical field experience or.....are predudiced about the Remingtons 1863 revolver anywhoooo and purposely refuse to recognize the value of the wedge and removable barrel with the mechanics involved. The sustained use of a combat ready cap&baller in the old days would value the failsafe mechanics of the Colt when the chips were down and there was no time to be foddling the Remington revolvers base pin and rubbing it with lubricant to keep the pin free enough to use the spare cylinders one would hope to have. That spare cylinder would save their hide from getting scalped by some of the fiercest warroirs the world has ever known. The Apache comes to mind there. The Remington was field tested and it's been historically documented by the Ordanance Deptartment of the U.S. Army, and the documents still exist somewhere, that it fouled terribly and the base pins were not removable after a very short time,one cylinder full of six shots, and caused great concern. That concern by the Ordanance Department caused them to choose the COLT ARMY 1860 44cal. REVOLVER over the Remingtons revolver for service duty. Sure the Army bought some Remingtons and issued them to the trops due to the strength of the gun and all but the troop[s complained about them. Little screw driver type thingys were issued for the troops to try to pry the base pins from the frame and even little brass containers for water were issued to drip on the base pins to loosen and soften the fouling. Anywhoooo.......base pins do stick in the frames of Remingtons and unlike the ficticious story of "Pale Rider....Preacher" using a blackpowder cartridge Remington revolver and easily loading it with new preloaded cylinders the base pins are a bitch to remove when the gun gets fouled. The Marshall Stockburn in that movie would in reality have killed the Preracher "again" with six shots to the chest(the preacher had six scars put there in a previous life time by the Marshall) since after the Preacher killed the Deputies his gun would surely be fouled and would not be able to be reloaded with the cylinder full of lead bullet cartridges that killed the poor Marshall. The Marshall would have chased the Preacher around the town until he killed that hipocrite of a Preacher and did it with a Colt cartridge converasion. A conversion that loaded from the loading port gate with the cylinder never leaving the frame of the gun. The Lord does work in mysterious ways uh? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Anywhooooo.....I'd have to say it seems more logical to have the Colt Army 1860 revolver for a favorite than the Remington Army of 1863. Three years into the civil War by the way. ha ha ha ha ha ha [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: 1860's Colt Army revolver -- Dave, 11:28:59 07/11/08 Fri Re: 1860's Colt Army revolver -- Uncle Lee, 12:02:48 07/11/08 Fri Re: 1860's Colt Army revolver -- Sundance44s, 14:01:24 07/11/08 Fri Re: 1860's Colt Army revolver -- cork, 14:03:35 07/11/08 Fri Re: 1860's Colt Army revolver -- Smokin_Gun (I say that don't mean didle-lee-sqwat), 14:32:08 07/11/08 Fri Re: 1860's Colt Army revolver -- Smokin_Gun (Dang 3yrs into the War think the Army Needed um?), 14:41:29 07/11/08 Fri Re: Smokin/ Wayne is gonna give us till sundown to leave town ..lol -- Sundance44s, 14:55:32 07/11/08 Fri Re: Smokin/ Wayne is gonna give us till sundown to leave town ..lol -- Smokin_Gun (He has to Sundace, can't see in the Dark...HeeHee!), 15:31:30 07/11/08 Fri That's it I'm sell my Colts! -- Smokin_Gun (Well 3 out of 5 maybe...), 15:41:53 07/11/08 Fri Re: 1860's Colt Army revolver -- Capt. Jack L. Shadow (Whooodaaawaaadaaasheeeeet?), 22:26:07 07/11/08 Fri Re: 1860's Colt Army revolver -- Smokin_Gun (All Puffed up and Crowin'), 22:56:11 07/11/08 Fri revolver -- Dave, 05:09:06 07/12/08 Sat Thavage & Nort ;oD -- Uncle Lee, 06:10:51 07/12/08 Sat Re: Thavage & Nort ;oD -- Smokin_Gun (Lee & Dave you guys Ssslay me:OD), 08:25:51 07/12/08 Sat Re: Thavage & Nort ;oD -- cork, 09:38:45 07/12/08 Sat go ahead, laugh... -- Dave, 09:41:12 07/12/08 Sat Re: Thavage & Nort ;oD -- Grey Ghost (I got your back Cork...), 10:50:25 07/12/08 Sat I thill get a giggle out of that. -- Uncle Lee (stop it.......stop it.........stop it.........), 07:30:12 07/13/08 Sun you just described a Western Line Dance -- Dave, 08:18:02 07/13/08 Sun Re: you just described a Western Line Dance -- Uncle Lee, 09:46:00 07/13/08 Sun Re: revolver -- Dave, 07:39:03 07/12/08 Sat Re: revolver...Custer Wanted a Savage and North -- Smokin_Gun (Got it on film), 10:58:39 07/12/08 Sat

Subject: FOR SALE
Author: Fuzzy [Edit]	Date Posted: 07:52:26 07/12/08 Sat ALL BRAND NEW & NEVER USED. LEE HAND LOADER, LEE .45 COLT 3-DIE RELOAD SET, LARGE & SMALL PRIMER FEEDS W/ PRIMER TOOL, 1 BOX OF CAST, GROOVED & LUBED .45 CAL BULLETS, 50 EMPTY .45 CASES, 100 LARGE PISTOL PRIMERS, PRIMER POCKET CLEANER. SELL FOR $50.00 PLUS $10.00 TO SHIP IN USA 48. THX [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: FOR SALE -- Fuzzy, 07:54:02 07/12/08 Sat Re: FOR SALE CORRECTION -- Fuzzy, 08:02:25 07/12/08 Sat Re: I cant email yr add, plse contact me (NT) -- Fuzzy, 08:28:20 07/12/08 Sat Re: FOR SALE -- Krash, 08:22:05 07/12/08 Sat Re: FOR SALE -- Fuzzy, 08:42:53 07/12/08 Sat Re: SALE PENDING, THX KRASH! (NT) -- Fuzzy, 08:47:19 07/12/08 Sat Hey Krash -- Uncle Lee, 04:26:01 07/13/08 Sun Re: Hey Krash -- Fuzzy, 05:51:09 07/13/08 Sun Re: Hey Krash -- Krash (Thanks Fuzzy!), 07:36:35 07/13/08 Sun

Subject: Battleflag
Author: Pvt. Hemphill C.S.A. [Edit]	Date Posted: 20:21:41 07/12/08 Sat Hey Compatriot Smokin Gun.I had to reorder your flag.The idiot I ordered the first one from sent a 3x5 Naval Jack instead of a true battleflag.I should have it in a few days. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: Battleflag -- Smokin_Gun (Hey back at ya Compatriot Pvt. Hemphill), 21:10:32 07/12/08 Sat Re: Battleflag -- Ron (Canadian Cowboy), 00:24:13 07/13/08 Sun Re: Battleflag -- Pvt. Hemphill C.S.A., 06:35:45 07/13/08 Sun Re: Battleflag -- Smokin_Gun (Here's to Jack Daniels,WhoooRaw!, & us! WhooRaw!), 06:48:51 07/13/08 Sun

Subject: Y'all Ain't Gonna Believe This Easy Fix !!!
Author: Thumper [Edit]	Date Posted: 12:06:57 07/11/08 Fri Two things, 1st, the loading lever/cylinder pin assembly was a replacement fit in too hard and bound up the ball driving arm, so I honed it till everything worked like new. I had the hammer spring out at the time and thought I'd check to see if the overrun had changed....IT STOPPED COMPLETELY!! Now that I seemed to have step one down, this got me to thinkin', if the cylinder turns differently under spring pressure, maybe the bolt/trigger spring needed adjusting. I gave it a slight upwards bend and now everthing indexes perfectly every time!! An old gunsmith once told me, there may only be 7 movin' parts in your revolver, but that equals about 700 ways things can go wrong.....boy was he right. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: Nice going Thumper -- Sundance44s, 13:17:33 07/11/08 Fri Re:I see now Wayner is back ... (NT) -- Sundance44s, 13:19:55 07/11/08 Fri Re: Nice going Thumper -- Smokin_Gun (Good Job, knew you could do it!), 13:40:19 07/11/08 Fri Sundance44s -- Uncle Lee, 04:22:44 07/12/08 Sat Re: Sundance44s -- Thumper, 10:36:59 07/12/08 Sat Re: Sundance44s/ Lee Snipe -- Sundance44s, 17:57:22 07/12/08 Sat Re: Sundance44s -- Uncle Lee, 04:32:48 07/13/08 Sun Sorry -- Uncle Lee, 04:21:09 07/12/08 Sat

Subject: Colt Colt 1851 Navy
Author: Ron (Canadian Cowboy) [Edit]	Date Posted: 11:57:12 07/12/08 Sat Gunbroker #104393172. 45 minutes left. $425. Think I'll go for it. Any takers on my R&S????? Electricity is in the air!!!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: Good find, didn't see that one. (NT) -- Fuzzy, 12:43:19 07/12/08 Sat Re: Congrads! -- Fuzzy, 12:57:37 07/12/08 Sat Re: Surprized there wasn't at least one other bid (NT) -- Bob, 14:04:22 07/12/08 Sat Re: Colt Colt 1851 Navy -- Ron (Canadian Cowboy), 12:56:32 07/12/08 Sat Re: Colt Colt 1851 Navy -- Smokin_Gun (Congdards Ron Happy for ya!), 13:40:28 07/12/08 Sat Re: Colt Colt 1851 Navy -- Ron, 15:55:05 07/12/08 Sat Re: Colt Colt 1851 Navy...ain't you the Lucky Beaver, ay? -- Smokin_Gun (Thanks Ron, ain't you the Lucky Beaver, ay?), 17:44:33 07/12/08 Sat Re: Colt Colt 1851 Navy -- Dave, 13:00:41 07/12/08 Sat Re: Colt Colt 1851 Navy -- Ron, 15:53:43 07/12/08 Sat Nice going on that one.. (NT) -- Uncle Lee, 04:11:24 07/13/08 Sun

Subject: Dan are you out there?
Author: Smokin_Gun (click above Percussion Revolvers: A Primer) [Edit]	Date Posted: 11:16:48 07/12/08 Sat With your ROA dump the filler(as in throw it away) use the load most accurate for you insert a lube pill or a wooly wad then seat the ball where it stops. At the top with filler is not necessary in a C&B Chamber just in a cartridge brass type. Let the ball sit where you seat it on powder or lube pill,or wooly wad. Click on and read the above: Percussion Revolvers "A PRIMER" SG Grey Ghost Colonel 43rd Virginia Cavalry Mosby's Rangers C.S.A. Last edited by author: Sat July 12, 2008 11:27:05 Edited 2 times. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: Dan are you out there? -- S4b, 12:20:06 07/12/08 Sat Re: Dan are you out there? -- Smokin_Gun (S4b :O) do you use...), 14:12:46 07/12/08 Sat Re: Dan are you out there? -- S4B, 15:11:23 07/12/08 Sat Re: Dan more than 20gr and talk to S4b -- Smokin_Gun (Nope not my cup a tee...but you are correct then), 15:34:51 07/12/08 Sat S4B on ROA -- Smokin_Gun (Would you please explain the massive part to me?), 23:36:07 07/12/08 Sat

Subject: DART Remington 36
Author: rommer25 [Edit]	Date Posted: 17:54:45 07/11/08 Fri I picked up a brass frame Remington 36 on line. It was an impluse buy. After cleaning, it came out with a good finish and no rust. All screws heads are as new except the one for the bolt spring. The looks in the photo was mostly dirt. Action is smooth. I have searched the web for reference to DART but have found almost nothing. The side of the frame has no marking other than the proof marks from Italy and a box with AA in it. I guess that is when it was made. Barrel is marked "BLACKPOWDERONLY" on the lower right side. Under the barrel is only a serial number. On bottom of the grip is the serial number and DART. Also there is a B. The number on the grip does not match the one on the barrel but when one removes the wood, the number there matches the barrel. The cylinder has counter sinking on the bullet holes for easy loading. There too are the same proof marks as on the frame. The bolt has been reshaped so that it slants on the left side coming up to a flat about half the size of the slot it comes out of. I can find no other markings. Anyone have any information about this pistol? I plan to take it out this weekend and compare it aginst my Spiller and Burr. I also plan to replace the bolt. Thanks in advance... [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: DART Remington 36 -- Dave, 19:06:21 07/11/08 Fri Re: DART Remington 36 -- Peter, 16:32:38 07/12/08 Sat

Subject: FOR SALE
Author: FUZZY [Edit]	Date Posted: 11:06:30 07/12/08 Sat NEW, NEVER USED. FOR RUGER OLD ARMY. R&D .45 COLT CONVERSION, BLUED 6 SHOT, FLUTED CYLINDER, FROM TAYLORS & COMPANY. PAID $270- ALSO INCLUDED WITH, NEW, BELT MOUNTAIN CYLINDER BASE PIN. (Slight drag marks on cylinder from cocking. Cylinder may need fitting to your gun, but locks up tight & solid in my ROA) $225.00 shipped USPS FLAT RATE PRIORITY MAIL, W/ INSURANCE > in USA 48 only. Thx Fuzzy [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: FOR SALE PICS -- Fuzzy, 11:09:20 07/12/08 Sat Re: (installed display pic) -- Fuzzy, 11:17:55 07/12/08 Sat Re: (installed display pic) -- flatheadsal, 15:23:50 07/12/08 Sat Re: (installed display pic) -- Fuzzy, 15:55:18 07/12/08 Sat Re: (installed display pic) -- flatheadsal, 16:15:48 07/12/08 Sat

Subject: FOR SALE
Author: Fuzzy [Edit]	Date Posted: 14:14:05 07/12/08 Sat Mahogany wood presentation display case fits Remington, Colt, & Ruger, blackpowder revolvers. Partitioned sections for flask, percussion cap tin or spare cylinder, round balls or bullets, and bullet mold or other spare parts. Like New Condition, THIS IS A CUSTOM MADE QUALITY CASE, PAID $170.00 MADE IN THE USA. Sell for $125.00 Shipped USPS Priority Mail, in USA 48 ONLY. Thank you. Fuzzy [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: FOR SALE PICS -- Fuzzy, 14:16:18 07/12/08 Sat

Subject: So Wayne, aren't you going to bid on the Belgian Colt?
Author: Bob [Edit]	Date Posted: 14:11:58 07/12/08 Sat Wayne, That Belgian Centennial 1860 Colt auction #104279109 on Gun Broker ends Sunday morning (18 hours to go). It's sitting there right now with a $205 high bid from someone named Ken44-40. You wouldn't let it go for that price would you? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: DELETED
Author: Deleted () [Edit]	Date Posted: 15:32:43 07/11/08 Fri Last edited by author: Fri July 11, 2008 19:01:35 Edited 1 time. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Subject: Opinions needed
Author: Capt. Jack L. Shadow [Edit]	Date Posted: 22:41:44 07/11/08 Fri Subject.....44cal Colt Army cylinder with press fitted chamber sleeves to reduce the chambers to .359 and a barrel sleeved to fast shallow twist rifling .357 in. diameter to fire conical 38cal. bullets. What would the opinion be regarding the chamber sleeves being press fitted? Would powder fouling get between the sleeve and chamber walls? Would the pressure blow the sleeves out? Would it be better to thread the chamber liners and screw them in? Thread them in tight and notch the edge for a spot of weld? Anywhooooo......what would the opinion be concerning a cap&baller tricked out to fire modern 38cal. conical bullets thru a sleeved to fast twist shallow grooved rifled barrel? Not cartridges but 1860 Colt cap&baller with the fast twist rifling and sleeved chambers for conical 38cal. 125gr. bullets. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: Opinions needed -- Smokin_Gun (Sleeves would be plenty thick enough, good one), 23:19:33 07/11/08 Fri Re: Opinions needed -- Uncle Lee, 06:15:57 07/12/08 Sat

Subject: One last time on this group
Author: Uncle Lee [Edit]	Date Posted: 06:46:33 07/01/08 Tue I am going to try this group one last time. Someone might want one or two. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: One last time on this group -- Uncle Lee, 06:51:47 07/01/08 Tue Re: One last time on this group -- Smokin_Gun (I'll get #015 .31 Pocket rem with frame), 09:07:29 07/01/08 Tue Re: One last time on this group -- Smokin_Gun (Email me on the message below Lee.), 09:23:21 07/03/08 Thu Re: One last time on this group -- Bob (Uncle Lee's #21), 14:31:42 07/01/08 Tue Bob & Smokin got your e-mails just now -- Uncle Lee, 05:20:28 07/02/08 Wed Re: Bob & Smokin got your e-mails just now (NT) -- Smokin_Gun (Got it and sent it this AM Lee>>>>>), 23:07:06 07/02/08 Wed 021 is still here. Bob didn't take it. -- Uncle Lee, 07:05:29 07/03/08 Thu Re: 021 is still here. Bob didn't take it. -- Smokin_Gun (Lee I moved my post up above ...I'll take it), 02:27:37 07/04/08 Fri 015 and 021 are gone now -- Uncle Lee, 09:38:55 07/10/08 Thu 011, 012, & 013 are gone -- Uncle Lee, 05:18:04 07/12/08 Sat

Subject: Baby Dragoon
Author: Dave [Edit]	Date Posted: 10:13:54 07/11/08 Fri Snaggletooth got me looking at my Baby Dragoon again, so I took it to the range. Finally a nice day, mid-70s. I used a piece of copper pipe for a loading lever extension and it worked great. Loading wasn't as bad as I remembered. It took #10 caps but the #11s worked better. 7 - 10 grs of BP. 0 buckshot. No jams, no misfires in an hour and a half. I'm still trying to figure out the maximum reasonable accurate range for this gun - it might be 3 feet. It gives a nice little BOOM and it actually wasn't bad at 50 feet when I figured out where the lead was going. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: Baby Dragoon -- cork, 12:52:57 07/11/08 Fri That's right, they is what they is -- Uncle Lee, 04:38:09 07/12/08 Sat

Subject: Question? for Uncle Lee
Author: Fuzzy [Edit]	Date Posted: 05:40:30 07/11/08 Fri I see you have been liquidating some BP revolvers. Do you have any flasks for sale, or other accroutrements? Thx, Fuzzy [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: Question? for Uncle Lee -- Uncle Lee, 06:35:35 07/11/08 Fri Re: Question? for Uncle Lee -- Fuzzy, 06:45:44 07/11/08 Fri Re: Question? for Uncle Lee -- Smokin_Gun (Acouple pics for you two and Sundance), 07:37:36 07/11/08 Fri Re: Question? for Uncle Lee -- Uncle Lee, 07:59:37 07/11/08 Fri Re: Question? ( Smokin ) Mississippi`s Magnificent 6 -- Sundance44s, 08:16:57 07/11/08 Fri Re: Question? ( Smokin ) Mississippi`s Magnificent 6 -- Smokin_Gun (I hope they spill enough berr on his coffin...), 14:54:44 07/11/08 Fri Re: Now those are real accroutrements! (NT) -- Fuzzy, 08:38:55 07/11/08 Fri Re: Now those are real accroutrements! -- Smokin_Gun (You Like the Sign do ya Fuzzy? HaHa!), 14:57:13 07/11/08 Fri Re: Those Remingtons are looking good (NT) -- Bob, 10:35:00 07/11/08 Fri Re: Those Remingtons are looking good -- Smokin_Gun (Thanks Bob...), 19:49:57 07/11/08 Fri Centaur 1960 -- Smokin_Gun (OldGun9), 22:22:06 07/11/08 Fri Re: Dang Smokin / ya have as many Remmie`s as I do ( Addiction ) (NT) -- Sundance44s, 10:56:29 07/11/08 Fri Re: Dang Smokin / ya have as many Remmie`s as I do ( Addiction ) -- Smokin_Gun (Yup I'd have to call it that...), 22:27:27 07/11/08 Fri

Subject: Rogers and Spencer Trade?
Author: Ron (Canadian Cowboy) [Edit]	Date Posted: 11:53:12 07/11/08 Fri I would REALLY like a decent Colt Colt 1851 Navy (2nd Gen), and I'm willing to trade my Euroarms Rogers and Spencer. It comes with an R&D conversion cylinder in .45 LC, and I'll even throw in a brass framed Remington .31. I'll give more details to anyone interested. Both guns work fine and are in good shape. Cash works too, or an original antique of something, but I'm likely asking too much. I aquired both items from Uncle Lee, and he should vouch for them. Check with him, and he will be straight with you. Thanks....have a great day. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: Colt 1851 -- Dave, 13:13:50 07/11/08 Fri they take trades, too (NT) -- Dave, 13:16:42 07/11/08 Fri Re: one here -- Fuzzy, 17:41:33 07/11/08 Fri Re: one here -- Ron, 17:52:07 07/11/08 Fri Re: another one here Ron -- Fuzzy, 18:45:57 07/11/08 Fri Re: Colt 1851 -- Smokin_Gun (Why Ron? R&S not Yankee enough? HEEEHEEE!), 13:51:16 07/11/08 Fri Re: Ron Question ? -- Sundance44s, 14:09:02 07/11/08 Fri Re: Rogers and Spencer Trade? -- Ron, 16:12:50 07/11/08 Fri Re: Rogers and Spencer Trade? -- Smokin_Gun (I'd trade at the Kittery if that R&S is fairly new), 19:47:11 07/11/08 Fri Bottom Line -- Dave, 21:37:24 07/11/08 Fri Re: Bottom Line -- Smokin_Gun (Only for them that Surrendered, the South still is), 21:53:42 07/11/08 Fri