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Subject: Starr


Author:
Dave
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Date Posted: 19:17:22 09/23/09 Wed

Kittery has two Starr BP revolvers (Pietta). I looked at both of them. They work fine in double action, but there's no single action in either. So, how do you load them if you can't rotate the cylinder by hand? Even the salesman was stumped.

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Subject: Pietta Antique Cap&Ballers


Author:
Wayne
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Date Posted: 17:45:05 09/23/09 Wed

I recommend these guns. Harder steel so they don't rust. Chambers right for the grooves in the barrels. Construction of them a notch above the standard models. Bottomed arbors so no pinched cylinders from inserting the wedges. Hammers up straight so you can shoot straight. Don't shoot as high as other cap&ballers. I'd say they must shoot pretty danged good out of the box. I've checked them out at gun stores.Triggers aren't bad right out of the box.
I'd say getting one of these top of the line Antiqued Piettas would be a good investment even if they are costly. An 1860 Army at the store I go to is about $376. That's high but the workmanship and materials seem to be top notch like a real gun should be.
Anyway why don't we see or hear of more people shooting these gems? Cabelas doesn't sell them so people don't get them?
Traditions sells them but from there they are way too expensive. Other places have them cheaper.

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Subject: Pic of the day (The Gambler)


Author:
Fuzzy
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Date Posted: 15:24:05 09/23/09 Wed

Thumbing through the old antique books at the library.
Pic nxt pge.

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Subject: A punt that kicks:


Author:
Fuzzy
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Date Posted: 14:11:59 09/23/09 Wed

I'm guessing you load this with shot, glass, stones, and whatever..?

http://www.joesalter.com/detail.php?f_qryitem=12650

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Subject: Bluing Question


Author:
Thumper
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Date Posted: 13:49:17 09/23/09 Wed

I was going through the GB auctions today, and it sparked a memory of a question I forgot to ask. Why is it that some of the Italian pistols (mostly the LeMats), have parts that are typical blue and some that are more of a plumb brown? These are NIB gun's mostly.

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Subject: Primitive camping


Author:
Fuzzy
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Date Posted: 11:13:13 09/23/09 Wed

Has anyone ever owned or slept in a TeePee?
I was inspired into almost buying one when I lived in VT.
A couple Indian women lived in one behind my property line when I lived in Vermont.
SG's tent pics in a previous post brought back some memories of my neighbors up north.
SG, being native decent, have you had the oppertunity to sleep in one?
I never did buy one, as I was sorta primitive living in my cabin anyway. Plus the mountain winds up the Green Mountains tear up things pretty good. I lived in a 15 camper till I got the cabin built.
I did have a good lot of pole size trees that I was gonna cut.
I guess if it wernt for the needed poles, people would transport & camp more often in them. I havent been to a rendezvous in a long time, but I never saw any.
Those indian gals behind my place only lived the summer in it, till they built their cabin.
I forget the name of the place where I use to get catalogs, but I think it was DGW where I inquired about them.
There are some pics of some Teepee's here >

http://www.reesetipis.com/gallery.cfm

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Subject: Anybody know


Author:
Wayner
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Date Posted: 10:38:48 09/23/09 Wed

Why is the Traditions Antiqued 1851 Navy shown in the picture as a 36 caliber when they list it as a 44 caliber????? Is there a 36 caliber antiqued Navy by Pietta?
I know there's a 44 cal. Navy in antique but where is the 36 sold? Does it exist? It's in the picture on the Traditions web site.

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Subject: Euroarms 1860


Author:
Uncle Lee
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Date Posted: 04:25:40 09/23/09 Wed

Just poking around and found an 1860 Euroarms (sounds like with a bad hand) comes with a holster for $60.00 shipped. If only I had the room.

http://kabooom.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=class&action=display&thread=1808


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Subject: Easy off on brass


Author:
murph
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Date Posted: 06:39:12 09/22/09 Tue

some time back one of you,was it KAT did a little post about using easy off on brass to give it a patina look.I have an 1851 brasser i'm thinking of doing this too.Give me some help here.

Thanks,murph

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Subject: My 2 cents and nickels worth..


Author:
Fuzzy
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Date Posted: 05:58:44 09/22/09 Tue

I know I've seen this guy around alot before. Some Indian fella. Seen him at the bank, seen him at the store, seen him at small poker games. Now I run into him again. I finally meet this fella, or at least I met him here.

http://old-photos.blogspot.com/2007/12/chief-two-guns-white-calf.html

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Subject: for sale, casehard 1858 with checkerd grips


Author:
Murph
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Date Posted: 21:50:51 09/21/09 Mon

I have a brand new in box pietta 1858 with the casehard frame,also has the checkerd grips.This revolver is a nice one.The stamp is CD so I think it is a 2009 production.Cabelas is offering the same revolver for $289 + shipping.I'll take $250 shipped.only reason I want to sell is I need to fund a new fridge for the wife.

Thanks,murph

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Subject: What brand of conversion cyl for 2nd gen Colt?


Author:
Bob Hatfield
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Date Posted: 19:24:48 09/21/09 Mon

A friend has a 2nd gen 1860 Colt. Will the conversion cyliders made for an Uberti be the correct one?...........Thank you

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Subject: SG Congrat's on Sellin 10 and Keepin The Draggy!!!


Author:
Thumper
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Date Posted: 17:21:55 09/21/09 Mon


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Subject: armi sport vs euroarms


Author:
51_60_colt
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Date Posted: 05:27:32 09/21/09 Mon

Who makes the best 1853 enfield, which company has the most readily available replacment parts etc? I may be in the market later this year or early next.

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Subject: Homemade Swaged round Ball Tip


Author:
Thumper
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Date Posted: 02:04:34 09/21/09 Mon

After casting your rb's, take about 50 at a time and put them in a 1lb coffee tin (not plastic), replace the lid and shake'em like an oldtime bartender makin' a martini. Check'em every now and then till you get the dimpling you desire.

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Subject: Dixie Gun Works


Author:
Krash
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Date Posted: 09:00:14 09/20/09 Sun

I'm planning on getting some stainless plates and screws taken out of my arm next month and I'm sure I'll be in agony for about three or four days so I decided to visit an old friend of mine in Guys, TN. I gave him a call and asked if he would mind riding up to Union City with me one day and going to Dixie. I've gotten their catalog ever since 1975 and finally after 34 years I'm going to try to make it by there. If anybody has anything they need a visual on, just let me know and I'll be happy to ask about it. :)

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Subject: I Sold All but one of the 11 Revs today... :O) :O(


Author:
Smokin_Gun
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Date Posted: 10:52:39 09/19/09 Sat

I'm keepin' my Colt Signature 1st Model Dragoon... :O)
The Uberti Colt Walker, the 1851 Navy .44, and the Uberti 1858 NMA(Sophia)Revs sold to a friend I work with... Big John bought all three ... I thru in a lb. a fffg KIK, and a tin of Rem#10's that fit all three well. Also with the option to buy back.
Now we have another BP shootist among us, "Big John should be a visitin' this BPR forum soon.

Was a very good day... I got to keep one good one...
:O)

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Subject: SG > Rattle Snake Gun


Author:
Jennifer Uberti
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Date Posted: 20:24:42 09/18/09 Fri

You need to buy this one...

http://www.antiqueguns.com/auction/item.cgi?cwlopi/cwlopi-1476

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Subject: Shook the Dust off meTent today...


Author:
Smokin_Gun
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Date Posted: 19:15:14 09/18/09 Fri

My Rondevouz tent and Desert tent...

See tent pics page 2...

These ain't the tent pics :O)
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c277/Smokin_Gun/September2009/Palmagranits1.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c277/Smokin_Gun/September2009/Palmagranits2.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c277/Smokin_Gun/September2009/Palmagranits3.jpg

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Subject: Range Report


Author:
Sundance
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Date Posted: 12:11:24 09/18/09 Fri

I`m going to call this a range report because it is about the range / black powder club I took over back in the spring .
I`ve been a busy ol Coot and with the help of my loyal members have gotten the place in good shape doing everything from graveling the road to building a covered shooting area .
we just had our first monthly shoot useing the new covered shooting area ..
pics on next page .

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Subject: Uberti threads?


Author:
Randy Bach
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Date Posted: 12:06:01 09/18/09 Fri

Do the Uberti and Pieta pistols use the same nipples or are the threads different? I just bought a Uberti 1858 Remington and was wondering if the nipples that I use on my Pieta Colts will work.

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Subject: Capping an 1858 Remington?


Author:
Randy Bach
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Date Posted: 12:03:26 09/18/09 Fri

I forgot to ask how you guys cap an 1858. Neither my straight line or snail capper fit. Is there any out there that will work or will I be forced to cap by hand?

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Subject: Hickok and Remington NMA


Author:
Ron (Canadian Cowboy)
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Date Posted: 19:37:48 09/17/09 Thu

Here are a couple of excerpts from "Wild Bill Hickok Gunfighter, An Account of Hickok's Gunfights", by Joseph G. Rosa. The first excerpt describes the fight between Hickok and two 7th Cavalry soldiers, named Lonergan and Kile. The witness mistakenly refers to Kile as "Kelly", and mistakenly refers to the saloon as Thomas Drum's, when it was actually Paddy Welch's Saloon.

From Chapter Seven, Hays City: The Fight With 7th Cavalry Soldiers. pg. 115/118. Rosa writes...

Why, one may well ask, did the troopers attack Hickok? Stories of a feud between Hickok and some members of the Seventh are not borne out by any known records. Therefore, are we to assume that Hickok spent some time drinking with the soldiers which led to the fight, or did they attack him for another reason? It has been suggested that Lonergan and Kile went AWOL that evening which made them deserters in military eyes. If Hickok was indeed in Hays City in his capacity as a deputy U.S. Marshal, then he could have arrested the pair and claimed a reward. But to do that he would have needed prior notification that they were wanted men. It was John Ryan, (a sergeant in the Seventh Cavalry in 1870, who later retired as a captain) who intimated that the pair left Fort Hays "without permission" to visit Thomas Drum's saloon [sic], and thirty-nine years later in the Newton, Massachuetts "Circuit" of September 3, 1909, he described what happened:

Lonergan was a powerful man, and although he had been in the company only a short time he was considered
one of the pugilists of M troop. When they arrived at the saloon Wild Bill...was standing at the bar having a sociable
chat with the bar tender. Lonergan walked up behind Wild Bill without being discovered, and as quick as a flash
he threw both arms around Wild Bill's neck, from the rear, and pulled him over backwards
on to the floor, and held his arms out at full length. Lonergan and Wild Bill had had some words before that
caused this action. In the meantime Wild Bill got his right hand free and slipped one of his pistols out of his
holster. Some of the men in visiting this city were in the habit of carrying their pistols stuck down inside
the waistband of their pants, with the hilt protruding, but covered up by their blouse, and a man could
whip out one of those pistols in an instant. Kelly had his in this position,and he immediately whipped it out
and put the muzzle into Wild Bill's ear, and snapped it. The pistol missed fire, or it would have ended
his career then and there. Lonergan was holding Wild Bill's right wrist, but Bill turned his hand far enough
to one side to enable him to fire his pistol, and the first shot went through the right wrist of Kelly. He
fired a second time, and the bullet entered Kelly's side, went through his body, and could be felt on the
other side. Of course Kelly was knocked out of service in a few seconds. Wild Bill did his best to kill
Lonergan, who was holding him down, but Lonergan held his wrist in such a position that it was impossible
for him to get a shot at his body. He finally fired again and shot Lonergan through the knee cap.
That caused Lonergan to release his hold on Wild Bill, who jumped up from the floor and made tracks
for the back of the saloon, jumped through a window, taking the glass and sash with him,
and made his escape. I was on the scene........

end of excerpt.

Kile's weapon was a Remington NMA of 1863.

Now from Chapter Fourteen, Weapons Of The Gunfights. pg. 205/206 Rosa writes...

REMINGTON NEW MODEL ARMY REVOLVER, MODEL 1863

Colt's biggest American rival during the Civil War, and in the immediate postwar years, was the Remington Arms Company of Illion New York. The company could trace its origins back to 1816, and by the mid 1840s had an enviable reputation for long arms. But their fortunes changed dramatically in 1845 when they completed a government contract that another maker had failed to meet. By 1856, when Colt's basic patents were about to run out, Remington decided it was time they, too, produced revolvers. The company employed Fordyce Beals, a professional gun designer, to work on a suitable weapon. His first effort was moderately successful, but the final version, the New Model Army Revolver of 1863, proved to be very popular. Many thousands of them were sold to the Government and, following the war, the 1863 version vied with Colt for civilian and military use.
The basic difference between the Colt .44 caliber Army and the .44 Remington model was that the Colt was open-topped (there is no top strap over the cylinder) whereas the Remington had a solid frame--an unusual feature on American revolvers of the time. A minor lock change on the Remington extended the cylinder bolt so that it and the trigger could be hung on one screw, whereas the Colt had a screw for each part. Rivalry between both makers and models was predictable. The Colt, because of its lack of a top strap and the inclusion of an anti-fouling grease groove on its cylinder arbor, rarely jammed or suffered from cylinder lock due to fouling. The Remington, however, although it could be stripped down faster, was fitted with a small cylinder pin or arbor that lacked a grease groove and soon became fouled, sometimes jamming the cylinder.
In 1864 it was reported by the Ordnance Department that a number of Remington revolvers purchased by contract were sub-standard.
It was stated that some of the stocks were made from "green" wood; front sight orifices had been drilled into the bore; slag had been noticed in frames and in general the pistols were unsuitable. Remington offered to buy the weapons back for the civilian market. Similar problems were experienced in the west where misfires or weapons exploding when fired were reported. Some cavalry commanders refused to issue Remingtons. General C.C. Auger, in command of the Department of the Platte, was angered by the situation, and in early 1867 wrote to the Chief of Ordnance, pointing out that his command had not experienced similar problems with Colt's pistols.
Despite its shortcomings, the Remington pistol remained popular and today is much prized by collectors and some shooters. However, back in the 1860s, the fact that some cavalry regiments (notably some companies of the Seventh) were issued Remingtons proved a boon insofar as Hickok was concerned. When John Kile pulled the trigger of his Remington after pushing its muzzle into Hickok's ear, and it misfired, it allowed Hickok time to draw his Navy and to mortally wound Kile and severely wound his companion Lonergan.

end of excerpt.

Sorry about the long post, but i thought some of you might be interested.

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Subject: range day


Author:
Dave
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Date Posted: 13:29:24 09/17/09 Thu

It's been awhile but I still remember how to do it (shooting, that is).
I brought the 3rd Generation 1861 .36 and the 1st Generation 1851 .36.
The Signature Series gun is still as flawless and problem-free as ever. Load and shoot, no cap jams, and as accurate as any gun I have. Smooth action, nice feel in the hand. Great gun. I used .375 roundballs which are a little too small but they do fine. I was gonging the gong at 100 yds once I figured out where the shots were going.
This was the second time I fired the original 1851. .375 roundballs are way too small for this gun, but they work. The biggest problem is the caps - #11s are way too small. They split when pushed on far enough for the cylinder to turn. #12s would probably fit but...
I used 20 grs of BP in each gun. The original shoots high, and it's not as smooth as the Signature Series but it's also 147 years old (made in 1862).
Two hours went by like two minutes. I don't want to beat on the original but it doesn't seem to mind being fired.

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Subject: Blachorn 209 and 1863 Sharps


Author:
Pat
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Date Posted: 12:24:34 09/17/09 Thu

Has any one experimented? Find a 209 nipple to fit?

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Subject: I'm a workin' on gettin' ta the Range


Author:
Smokin_Gun
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Date Posted: 08:29:43 09/17/09 Thu

I wanna get up there and spend a day or two set up my Tent(Revolutionary wat Infantryman's tent). Gonna shoot the 1861 Old Army Rem, bringin' Snakebite Colt 1860, and my Uberti 1851 Navy...too many Revs?
Well Bringin' the SS ROA w/ .45Colt conversion too and the 10ga Shotgun to protect me from them Mountain Lions...
Basically I wanna shake the dust offa my tent and spend some time in the wild before this Prednizone(steroid) pills start kickin' in with side effects. I saw the Doc yesturday and start a minimum of 3 mo. treatment today.
Maybe I won't get too messed up with the cure and 3 mo. is all it will take instead of 6 mo.
Anyway , weather is not killer hot right now, clear skies, bu tcool nites...I wanna hear the Coyotes howl... :O)
I'm gonna go work on that right now, and see how far I can get...I'm itchin' to do a Range report.

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Subject: Italian Reproduction History Question????


Author:
Thumper
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Date Posted: 05:22:42 09/17/09 Thu

I know we discussed this a long time ago, but I can't remember the answers. What Italian manufacturer, was sued for eithe copyright or patent infringment for making the replica's to accurate (stamping etc)? And when did this happen?

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Subject: I'm stoked on cap guards for a jam-free gunfight


Author:
Westernsky
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Date Posted: 14:31:15 09/16/09 Wed

I've always thought that back in the 1860's when cap & ball revolvers were used in real life and death situations . . . the caps were much stronger. Designed to not rupture completely and hang loose on the nipple. Everyone was using this stuff and the manufacturers would be getting lots of feedback on what was happening with caps in real life use.
I always avoid jams at the range by carefully watching the caps after each round and making sure they come off and out the right recoil shield cutaway. Can you think of anything more rediculous than that in a gunfight in the 1860's?

If you were Wild Bill Hickok in Abileen in 1868, would you want modern flimsy, thin walled caps that could jam you gun, or a strong cap that would stay on the nipple after being fired? Who cares if the heavy cap is going to need some prying to get off the nipple at reload time. You have to live through the first six rounds fired.

SO . . . enter the little round elastic soft plastic (totally non-traditional) tubes that you slip over the capped nipple. Then you push it down a little below the top of the cap to make sure the hammer face makes good contact with the cap top.

I finally got some and I'm stoked! I won't bother with them for regular range use, but when I'm practicing quick "point & shoot" from different angles and positions, without using the gun sight - these puppies are definately going to be on my caps.

I got them in the mail yesterday and was too busy to do any real shooting today. BUT, I loaded one cylinder with cap guards on an 1858 .44 and went to the range for a quick trial. At 15 yards I fired rapidly without using the sights, six shots in a row like I was using a modern single action cartridge revolver. I shot fast because I wanted to generate a lot of heat to see if that would soften the plastic enough to have a failure. I paid absolutely no attention to the caps to see what they looked like . . . I was shooting way too fast.

BEAUTIFUL.

I've shot six rounds before without looking at caps and didn't have a jam. Some had fallen off and some were still on the nipple. That was luck of the draw. With these cap guards it wasn't luck. All fired caps were firmly seated on their nipples.

Check out photos on the next page.

PS: I was using 25 grains of Goex black powder with a lubed wad, a .454 ball and Remington #10 caps that fit good without pinching on a fairly new nipple top.

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