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Subject: These Four Revs for sale... Ron Long


Author:
Smokin_Gun
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Date Posted: 09:19:36 10/31/09 Sat
Prices will be posted by Ron Long ...

See pics Page 2

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Subject: RU ok from CO to MS, LA, TN to the Atlantic,Seaboard?


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Smokin_Gun
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Date Posted: 06:56:29 10/31/09 Sat
Wonderin' if y'all are snowed in or headed for the high ground?
Everybody ok?

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Subject: Pic of the Day


Author:
Fuzzy
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Date Posted: 00:17:28 10/31/09 Sat
nxt pg

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Subject: The Best self defense


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David Joo (The good , the bad and the ugly)
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Date Posted: 16:12:34 10/30/09 Fri
When I opened up this forum this morning, I found an advertisement from the very top "the most effective martial arts" being taught to special forces. With Minimun practice and power for maximun result.
It sounds good. This AD says, existing Martial arts don't work for "real situation", they are trash.
I am a Martial arts expert myself, studied all kind thru all my life. Demonstrations from experts look magical and acrobatic but it's not a magic at all. It's nothing but painstaking effort.
The AD also emphasizes "size and experience don't matter" in fact more experience you have it's worse for street fighting.-This guy is nothing but a good sales man ! In fight, size does matter. I am not saying the bigger one always win but have advantage. That's why the most of fighing sports have the weight class. The arthur also stresses that he has unique techniques which are not taught and used in regular martial arts.
Please do not think some groin kick or eye gouging will work to anyone. They are lethal but it's very difficult to succeed it unless you're highly trained.
There is trend Martial artist are not good at real fighting, it by no means MA doesn't work, the way they've been training is impractical. Some instructors teach only fancy movements to get more students.
At any rate, the ultimate MA is your firearm, specially in America.

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Subject: Guns for the Wall


Author:
David Joo (The good , the bad and the ugly)
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Date Posted: 14:35:09 10/30/09 Fri
All my guns are in the safe for just in case of breaking in.
But I like display guns on the wall, so what I did is that I ordered some replicas. They are not real guns but looks real, you can not shoot but interesting to have.
The most of them have "so-so" quality but some of them are really good anything over $100. You get what you pay for.
Also Holidays are coming up soon, you do not want to spend much money for the present but these are good for gun fans.
They also have a lot of western accessories.

You can go for "replica weaponry" or Net Link Enterprises inc. They are in NC.

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Subject: engraved guns on GB


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Dave
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Date Posted: 14:14:51 10/30/09 Fri
Nice.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=144675084

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=144607444

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=144503066

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Subject: Belgian rifle/musket


Author:
Dave
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Date Posted: 08:41:23 10/30/09 Fri
Gotta love Belgian guns. Built like tanks. I fired this one for almost three hours today. Never a misfire.
I use Goex FFFG. Pryodex FFG (RS) will not ignite. What are the chances that Goex FFG won't ignite? Any advantages to using FFg instead of FFFG?
I use .535 patched balls. Two pre-lubed patches (.10) make it nice and tight. Maybe I'll just buy thicker single patches.
It's pretty accurate at 50 yds for a smoothbore (destroyed a clay bird or two). Two other shooters were sighting in their inlines and they weren't shooting much better. I'm still thinking about having the barrel relined. But it's fun the way it is.
Hey, Fuzzy - notice the cleaning rod? Goes great with the gun.

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Subject: X-Ray


Author:
Uncle Lee
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Date Posted: 21:32:51 10/29/09 Thu
Did someone post a picture of an X-Ray of a neck or back showing some screws and wires?
Wifie is getting a neck operation and she wants to see it. I think that is what she is getting.
I have looked through the archives and can't find it.

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Subject: Poor Old Remy


Author:
Western Sky
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Date Posted: 20:32:35 10/29/09 Thu
Too bad this one fell into the hands of someone who power buffed and rounded every edge he could find, before crome plating it.

Serial number 16,554: If an Army .44 (doesn't say), approx March 1863.

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Subject: Saluting the Fallen


Author:
Ron (Canadian Cowboy)
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Date Posted: 20:24:50 10/29/09 Thu
Not a big Obama fan, but it was good to see him saluting the fallen as they returned to Dover Delaware from Afghanistan. That was presidential.

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Subject: I`m takeing up Golf


Author:
Sundance
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Date Posted: 16:49:01 10/29/09 Thu
A friend of mine bought a coke can chunking mortar a few weeks ago .......I watched him play with it last week ....what a blast .
I just clicked the buy it now on this one ...it chunks Golf balls .
It was a little trouble filling the coke cans with sand to give them weight , so I did a little rescearch on the net and found I can buy used golf balls for 10 bucks for 50 ..not a bad price for ammo .
I`ll take some pics when it comes . heres the link to the one I bought .
http://www.gunsamerica.com/976993249/Guns/Rifles/Cannons/Modern-Replica/1_3_4_quot_BORE_MORTAR_CANNON.htm

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Subject: Nice cheap Colt Dragoon.


Author:
madcratebuilder
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Date Posted: 13:53:51 10/29/09 Thu
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=143809948

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Subject: Here's a posting on the E.N. Santa Barbaras


Author:
Smokin_Gun
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Date Posted: 10:46:29 10/29/09 Thu
Here's current Post on the S.B. 1858 Rems...
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=382123

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Subject: Colts


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Smokin_Gun
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Date Posted: 22:08:04 10/28/09 Wed
A cold, windy, cloudy day...the light looked right for a couple outdoor pics that would have aninterestin' effect and put peoples eye candy and comments in this post...
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c277/Smokin_Gun/Colts/PArmypitcher.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c277/Smokin_Gun/Colts/PArmypitcher3.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c277/Smokin_Gun/Colts/UNavypitcher2.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c277/Smokin_Gun/Colts/UNavypitcher.jpg

See page two Pics and/or post post pics in replies...

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Subject: Reposting/ Re: reissues, repros, etc.


Author:
Smokin_Gun (for Dr. Jim L. Davis)
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Date Posted: 18:46:04 10/28/09 Wed
The Posting
http://voy.com/60048/67839.html

Subject: Re: reissues, repros, etc.


Author:
Dr. Jim L. Davis
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Date Posted: 10:19:38 10/27/09 Tue
In reply to: Dave 's message, "reissues, repros, etc." on 16:11:18 10/24/09 Sat

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Original Colt revolvers were used by both Centaure and the Italian manufacturers for the actual specifications of these modern production Colt revolvers. William Edwards hand carried his personal, original Colt 1851 Navy revolver #82 to Uberti in Italy. Val Forgett then set up Navy Arms to market these revolvers. William Edwards was also the person who took an 1860 Army to Belgium and arranged for its manufacture by Centaure. The Centaure 1860 Army was first marketed by Centennial Arms, a company that William Edwards was instrumental in setting up.

As a token of appreciation Val Forgett presented the first 1851 Navy revolver, #1, to William Edwards. This revolver was assembled from both original Colt parts and newly manufactured parts made by Gregorelli and fitted and assembled by Uberti himself. There were sixteen (16) of these first prototype revolvers made before the specifications were programmed into the Numerical Controlled Mills. There were several changes made from the prototypes to the final models manufactured afterward.

I am fortunate to now own Navy Arms #1 purchased at a Greg Martin Auction after Mrs. Edwards consigned William’s guns. I was in contact with William for many years before his passing and have felt that he has not been given his proper recognition for the creation of the Replica Revolver industry. It was actually William who made the contacts, and smuggled (literally) the original revolvers into Europe to be copied and produced.

Fuzzy, I too would like to know the sources of the information you presented about the Colt 2nd and 3rd Generation percussion revolvers. For those who might be interested the only accurate source of information about the Colt reproductions is Dennis Russell’s book, Percussion Colt Revolvers, The Second Generation, Collector’s Handbook & Price Guide. Dennis markets this book himself and is the only source. If interested his contact information can be found on the Replica Percussion Revolver Collector’s Association’s Web Site at: http://rprca.tripod.com.

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Subject: Law abiding citizen


Author:
David Joo (The good, the bad and the ugly)
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Date Posted: 13:56:48 10/28/09 Wed
I am not sure, how many of you have guns for the practical reason besides just for fun.
The most of all, we must rely on the laws for our protection and safety.
But what if the place you live becomes outlaw ? Never will happen except in the movies ?
When I was standing the middle of LA Riots, I asked myself "Am I turely in America ?" Crimes were all over, but police were not available, it's a hell. This kind of Chaos(even wosre) can happen anytime, anywhere.
Some people are just waiting for chances. Some of your neighbors turn out to be Monsters(murderers, rapist,robbers,etc)in sudden.
They are not like you and me. We do not commit crimes because we do not want to. But Only reason they play "Nice guy" is Police are around. My minister tells me in church, let them get what they want even your life, the god will compensate you. Forgive me, I may take it but not my guns.
The Government still wants to take our right to bear arms ?! Those Anti-gun people still believe the Guns kill people. It's just like kids are scared of ghost, but I never heard of the news, anybody got killed by ghost. The most dreadful existence is humans.
In Korea, guns are not allowed for civilians, but homicide rate is higher than USA. Criminals are using hammer, knife and you name it.

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Subject: New forum startin' up ...


Author:
Smokin_Gun
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Date Posted: 12:05:56 10/28/09 Wed
http://fiveshotboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?

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Subject: Remington New Model Army made by Witloe


Author:
Dr. Jim L. Davis
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Date Posted: 11:03:19 10/28/09 Wed
I need your help. I am seeking information about the Remington 1858 New Model Army manufactured by Witloe Precision Inc. of Collingdale, Pennsylvania. They manufactured two type revolvers from 1960 to around 1963. They were the Grant Model with a steel frame and the Lee Model with a bronze frame. I wish to purchase these as well. I will pay a $50 reward for information leading to the PURCHASE of these revolvers. Call toll free at: 866-322-6854

Dr. Jim L. Davis
RPRCA

rprca@hotmail.com

http://rprca.tripod.com

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Subject: Period hat's


Author:
Fuzzy
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Date Posted: 08:15:05 10/28/09 Wed
I know everyone has their favorite hat.
Been looking here to see what suites me.
I like the Shiloh or Antietam hat.
Just don't want a cowboy hat. An 1860's period hat would be finer for me. Something for an city easterner.

http://www.clearwaterhats.com/civilwar1.htm

http://www.clearwaterhats.com/civilwarcontents.htm

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Subject: reissues, repros, etc.


Author:
Dave
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Date Posted: 03:53:27 10/28/09 Wed
I saw a 2nd Generation listed on GB as a "reissue, not an Italian repro." So, what'd they do, crank up the old Colt machinery and turn them out? Don't think so.
Anyhoo, I wonder where the Belgians and Italians got the specs to make the repros. Did they have original plans or just take an original apart and measure it?
More wondering - is there any original Belgian or Colt machinery left that could be used to produce reissues? I know the Colt factory burned in the early 1860s but they continued to make guns after that, so the machinery might still exist.

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Subject: Shot the Centaure 6558 "Old War Horse".


Author:
Wayne
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Date Posted: 01:24:19 10/28/09 Wed
Got er shootin center with a little tweekin. Pic of first target with fivre in the black and one out. I forgot my bean bag lead shot bag for a cushion on the cement block on the picnic table for a shootin bench. Used my shirt on the cement so there was no cushion for the grip sittin on the black except the shirt. I think that made it bounce on the block and affect the targets. Anyway.....it shoots purty dang good. About a finger high at 20 paces. Shit....may have to lower the hammer rear sight some more.
The box is what I taped the targets to when shootin off the bench. After the bench shootin I went off into the woods and shot. I can tell the gun is a real good shooter even if the light was dim and my glasses in need of replaced lenses because they are so scratched they are always cloudy. My last two shots I shot at a flat rock about 16 inchs square from fourty yards. Two shots....two bulls eyes centered on the rock. The shots about an inch and a half apart and both the same elevation. I should have taken a pic of the rock.....ha ha haha
I showed a pic of the box the targets were on to show the gun shoots center. Hope the pic shows up on the nxt page.

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Subject: Gunbroker feedback


Author:
Ron (Canadian Cowboy)
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Date Posted: 17:55:05 10/27/09 Tue
OK, I need your input. As you likely know, I couldn't take delivery of the Python I bid on at gunbroker.com. the seller sent me some E-mails that were somewhat nasty. He told me that I should read the description and call them before I bid if I was from California, and that this was a socialist state with no freedoms and that I shouldn't be such a "Nancy". He said that if I sent him $40 that he would give me a good feedback on gunbroker. I wrote back saying that Ronald Reagan's wife was named Nancy and that he should "watch it!" I apologized for my mistake, mentioned that in fact I did call before I bid and offered him $20 to cover his gunbroker costs. My calculation was $18 and change. He wrote back, still very nasty, that $20 wasn't near enough to cover his costs and time. So I told him that was baloney and offered him $30 take it or leave it, and that again I apologize for my mistake. He then said his costs were about $23 plus time photographing and writing E-mails to people that should be worth more that $17, and that I could keep my money and that he'd list me as a non-payer.

Whaddya think?

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Subject: Pic of the day


Author:
Fuzzy
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Date Posted: 14:33:49 10/27/09 Tue
px nxt pge

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Subject: .38 LC Cartridges


Author:
Fuzzy
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Date Posted: 10:12:06 10/27/09 Tue
I sent out my chk this morning for that Pietta 1861 .38 conversion.
Anyone know where I can pick up my first box of
38 Long Colt cartridges using hollow base or heeled bullets?

i see they can be expensive!

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=617559

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Subject: Sunday afternoon, here's my Dragoon right now.


Author:
western Sky
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Date Posted: 00:25:30 10/27/09 Tue
Hey Wayne, if you're reading this, skip ahead to the 2nd photo on the next page. You ever see the cam-side of a Colt hammer machined like that???

Yeah, I had this new Dragoon sittin around whispering its wants and needs, so I had to take a look, ha, ha.

Like Madcratebuilder said, pay your dime and pick out your kit gun, ha, ha.

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Subject: Another Python


Author:
Ron (Canadian Cowboy)
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Date Posted: 20:44:55 10/26/09 Mon
OK....I hope I don't bore you guys to death. Sue and I went to another gun show yesterday, in Ontario, California. Well, I bought another Python. This on is a 1968 manufacture. Blue, with walnut grips and just a little wear. I got it for $1250. No sales tax and only $35 transfer fee. A lot pricier than the one I lost, but still less than many others. Since it was an individual party transfer, within the state, it was OK for sale. Just waiting the ten days now.

Hey DJP Leathersmith. How much for a simple holster for a Python? Can you show some pictures?


By the way, thanks again for the feedback and support on the last Python fiasco. Yea the seller was an ass, but not so big an ass as the California government!

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Subject: I want this........


Author:
Craig
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Date Posted: 14:45:04 10/26/09 Mon
Not a bad price on a cannon barrel. Alway wanted a mountain howitzer......... maybe after I get back to work ;)


http://greystarcannontech.homestead.com/star.html

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Subject: GOAL


Author:
Dave
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Date Posted: 10:43:44 10/26/09 Mon
This has been tossed around before - whether to join the NRA or not. I decided to join GOAL for more local representation and here's why:
When you buy and register a handgun in MA, the gun's info is recorded in your name. When you sell that gun, the info is not removed from your name. It follows you forever. I checked with my local PD a few years ago to see what guns were on my "list." There were guns that I sold back in the '80s, and more importantly, guns I've never owned. I contacted the State gun registering people and for $20 I can get a list of what the State has recorded in my name, and if there's any discrepancies, deal with it then.
I'm going to do just that. If they come knocking for any reason with that list, I'm screwed if I cannot account for all the guns on it. Good idea to get out in front of this one, given the current political climate. One catastrophe (terrorist attack, health crisis) and they go door to door like they did in New Orleans, it could get messy.
The sucky thing is that MA lost 60% of all records ten years or so ago in a fire (or flood) so it's all messed up.
This could happen to you in any state if "they" get their way.

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  • Re: GOAL -- Sundance, 10:03:32 10/26/09 Mon
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  • Re: GOAL -- S4B, 10:14:07 10/26/09 Mon
Subject: Conicals vs. Roundballs


Author:
Elglide
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Date Posted: 10:16:38 10/26/09 Mon
Thanks for this site have learned a lot from everyone! My BP revolvers keep reproducing in my safe (what I tell my wife as to why I have so many). Anyway I have never shot conicals always round ball. Am thinking of buying a new mold and trying them. Round balls are very accurate for me but am curiuos as to the accuracy of conicals. Love to outshoot modern pistols with my BP pistols. Thanks Elglide

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Subject: Quigley's guns


Author:
Dave
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Date Posted: 08:34:12 10/26/09 Mon
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Quigley_Down_Under

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