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Date Posted: 07:40:38 07/02/17 Sun
Author: So now you know
Subject: Ok, this thread is getting ridiculously long. I suggest people just wait to see what it is when they get there, as there is nothing you can do about it anyway. But for those who just cannot wait, an explanation is inside.
In reply to:
's message, "Judging at NANs" on 19:55:05 06/30/17 Fri
1. Dancers dance hard shoe round and receive raw points.
2. Dancers dance soft shoe round and receive raw points.
3. Hard shoe round and Soft shoe round raw points for each judge are added together.
4. The total raw points for the hard and soft shoe rounds for each individual judge are each ordered from highest to lowest.
5. Irish point are assigned to those scores for each judge.
6. The highest and lowest Irish points for each competitor are dropped. If you have two of the same high scores (e.g., two 100s) only one of them is dropped. If you have two of the same low scores (e.g., two zeros) only one of them is dropped. Each dancer is left with the 5 middle Irish points whether they be 5 100s, 5 zeros, or something in between.
7. The remaining 5 sets of Irish points after dropping the high and low are added together for each competitor.
8. The competitors are then ranked from first to last. The top 50% of the total competitors are then recalled to do the set round.
9. After the set round, the raw scores from the hard shoe, soft shoe, and set dance, are all added together for each individual judge.
10. The total raw points for the hard, soft, and set rounds for each individual judge are each ordered from highest to lowest.
11. Irish point are assigned to those scores for each judge.
12. The highest and lowest Irish points for each competitor are dropped.
13. The remaining 5 sets of Irish points after dropping the high and low are added together for each competitor.
14. The competitors are then ranked from first to last.
Competitors on the cusp of a recall often end up with Irish points from some judges, but not all. Many more than 50 competitors end up with some points. As long as a competitor receives Irish points from at least 2 judges, they will still have some Irish point after the highest score is dropped.
Additionally, some tabulators will give fractional points to rank each and every competitor. (It depends on the company doing the tabulations, but this often happens with US tabulators because they know how many dancers will be at NANs.)
For those who have asked, yes, this does mean that dancers will end up with their points from different judges. So dancer A may have points from judges, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, while dancer B may have points from judges 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. This is what helps to even things out for politics and subjectivity. It doesn't solve the problem, for example there have been panels at worlds with 3 judges from the same region or panels with relatives together, which can still skew results even after dropping the high and low, but it does help the problem.
In the end, I still think rotating is the most fair, but this would be the second best option.
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