- Pyrite --
RIP, 11:17:40 11/08/09 Sun
My sympathies for the emotional roller coaster you have been on.
Hang in there.
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- Obama leaning toward 34,000 more troops for Afghanistan -- doran, -- Carmack, 11:15:56 11/08/09 Sun
To what end ? Al Quaeda is long gone from Afghanistan ! More targets for the Taliban and more grief for families at home ! The last thing the US needs right now !
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- @Pyrite -- doran, 11:14:08 11/08/09 Sun
My thoughts are with you in this difficult time .
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- Pyrite @ My deepest sympathy for you and your family.......... -- LilDevil, 11:12:57 11/08/09 Sun
......................................................
Sincerely
LilDevil
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- Hey!, check this out! -- Miniminer, -- Carmack, 11:07:58 11/08/09 Sun
Could be the Obama "change" ?
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- Thank you all for your sentiments -- Pyrite -- JoeB, 10:49:03 11/08/09 Sun
The grieving will be understood and necessary. Just don't get so lost in it, that you'll look back much later and see you've lost out on a lot of good years as well. As you can see by the responces, this community of bugs are here for you if and when you need it.
Why don't you share a couple of pictures for those of us who never had the pleasure to meet her?
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- Pyrite -- philbond007, 10:46:28 11/08/09 Sun
My condolences on the loss of your wife, you words put a giant lump in my throat.
God rest her soul
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- Hey!, check this out! -- Miniminer, 10:44:41 11/08/09 Sun
Up until now, I have not noticed the credit crunch in my world.....TODAY is different!
I have a Sears Mastercard credit card(actually its owned by Citi)and I had a 7.5% interest rate for years, then it went to 14% and I thought that was my new number and not real bad....Today I got a bill and the interest rate is all the way up to 24.52% and thats not the default rate either....I leave about $500 worth of charges on the card each month to keep it active so I'm not hurt by the high rate but imagine those that carry $5000 or whatever is suddenly broke. They are really criminal to charge interest on balances that were acquired along time ago.....I have a 752 credit score and never late on anything so this is pure bank adjustment....no wonder the folks are flippin out and killin people
24.5% instantly.
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- Pyrite -- SilverFox, 10:27:19 11/08/09 Sun
My deepest sympathy. I wish you well!
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- Thank you all for your sentiments -- Pyrite, 10:23:32 11/08/09 Sun
They started the tears. I need those now. Today comes full realization of the loss.
She was my life. I would want her to carry on, but it's so hard to want to.
I have no idea if one's passing is measured in grief. I certainly hope the grief doesn't have to be as strong as the happiness she gave me.
I do thank you.
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- "US 'grieving' after army shooting " -- johnny, 10:06:04 11/08/09 Sun
this kind of crap makes me sick
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- Pyrite -- Smythe, 10:04:00 11/08/09 Sun
One of the good guys.
I am very sorry.
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- My sincere condolences Pyrite -- JIMmer, 09:49:12 11/08/09 Sun
I offer my heart felt sympathy and prayers to you in your loss of your loving partner and friend.
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- FACTBOX-Pentagon may need more emergency war funds -- doran, 09:39:51 11/08/09 Sun
Military officials have cited rough cost estimates of $500,000 per troop per year deployed in Afghanistan.
http://www.reuters.com/article/featuredCrisis/idUSN05413947
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- Im so very sorry -- johnny, 09:35:37 11/08/09 Sun
pyrite
words are useless at times like this
Im sorry
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- pyrite -- Miniminer, 09:34:51 11/08/09 Sun
another choice of paths on the road of life...you can do it.
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- loss -- 2bro2b, 08:58:07 11/08/09 Sun
10-4 big buddy
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- Obama leaning toward 34,000 more troops for Afghanistan -- doran, 08:45:29 11/08/09 Sun
In an interview last week with The New York Times, French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner complained that the American administration is leaving its NATO allies in the dark about its new strategy.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/78516.html
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- Health coverage 'plan' was no insurance at all -- doran, 08:41:46 11/08/09 Sun
The hospital business agent took a hard line, she recalled. "She said, 'You need to pay and you need to pay today.' By that time I was so mortified I could hardly stand up."
http://www.kfsm.com/sns-200910280803mctnewsservbc-bogusinsurance-ms617,0,1837572.story
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- Pyrite...my sincere empathy to you and your family -- Nuclearson, 08:34:57 11/08/09 Sun
Though your lose is great
you were given a gift that some never realize
including myself...a life mate that understood you and loved you...
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- Thousands of Japanese protest U.S. base plan -- doran, 08:32:16 11/08/09 Sun
GINOWAN, Japan (Reuters) - Thousands of Japanese gathered in sweltering heat on the southern island of Okinawa on Sunday to demand that a U.S. Marine base be moved out of the region, days ahead of a visit by President Barack Obama.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5A70IG20091108
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- FACTBOX: Health company winners, losers in U.S. House bill -- doran, 08:29:11 11/08/09 Sun
Health insurers such as UnitedHealth Group Inc, Cigna Corp and others could see greater competition, more scrutiny and fewer protections under the bill.
Drugmakers would take a larger hit under the House bill than with another Senate version, which included an agreement with the industry to provide $80 billion worth of savings over 10 years.
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5A707K20091108
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- In eastern Europe, people pine for socialism -- doran, 08:26:23 11/08/09 Sun
Across former communist eastern Europe, disenchantment with democracy is widespread and pollsters say mistrust of the elites who made people citizens of the European Union is staggering.
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5A701320091108
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- Sympathy -- blueslover, 07:27:54 11/08/09 Sun
Pyrite:
My sincere condolences on the loss of your wife. My thoughts and prayers are with you.
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- raja...10 ppm CS is plenty -- Nuclearson, 07:23:19 11/08/09 Sun
bb
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- Pyrite -- nogtans, 07:19:30 11/08/09 Sun
I am so very sorry...
life is but the blinking of an eyelid, a road we all travel
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- Pyrite - I got no words; -- Glyndwr, 07:07:39 11/08/09 Sun
but a whole bunch of feelings with you.
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- noland -- mugwump, 07:04:01 11/08/09 Sun
The front page of Wednesday's Financial Times included two notable headlines: Next to "Buffett bets $26bn on US" was "India sells dollars for gold and lifts bullion to high." I certainly view the Reserve Bank of India's purchase of 200 tons of bullion from the IMF as exemplifying the profound shift of financial power from the Core to the Periphery - as well as the shift of "inflationary biases" from dollar securities to "undollar" asset classes.
The Indians today enjoy the financial resources, and they are apparently eager to trade dollar holdings for hard = non-dollar = assets. And as much as the media trumpeted Mr. Buffett's railroad acquisition as a vote of confidence for US recovery, there's surely more to his analysis. In the unfolding Paradigm shift, the U.S. "services" economy will have no alternative than to adjust to a more efficient goods-producing economic structure. Our troubled currency will require that we produce more, consume less, survive on reduced amounts of Credit - and we will have to do so in an energy-efficient manner. Within such a backdrop, the railroad business would be relatively appealing when compared to consumer-based businesses or U.S. financial assets more generally. I would also view Mr. Buffett's aggressive move as supporting the thesis of hard assets supplanting dollar securities as the preferred asset class.
Disappointingly, the Federal Reserve this week also confirmed my macro analysis. The Bernanke Fed has now locked itself into a policy course that will ignore global reflation dynamics and instead fixate on specific U.S. economic indicators. Instead of adopting a more hawkish posture and laying the market groundwork for withdrawing extraordinary monetary stimulus, the Fed flew even farther into uncharted dovishness. This adds to a long series of (compounding) errors from our central bank. Most importantly, the Federal Reserve signaled "resource utilization" (markets read "unemployment rate") as a key factor that will determine the course of policy normalization. If I had to choose one economic indicator guaranteed to notably lag global reflationary dynamics, well, I'd bet on U.S. payrolls.
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- health scam passed -- skys39 -- JoeB, 06:53:06 11/08/09 Sun
Culd this be the tipping point where other nations throw in the towel in supporting the growing US debt?
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- @Pyrite-Please accept my most sincere condolences -- Caper, 06:11:38 11/08/09 Sun
Sorry for your troubles. I shall offer a prayer in my own special way
May God bless
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- Pyrite, our heart goes out to you. Sympathies abound. -- Jasper, 05:45:55 11/08/09 Sun
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- Credit Card Firms Hurry to Raise Rates -- doran, 05:16:02 11/08/09 Sun
"These are essentially dead banks borrowing from the government at nearly zero percent and loaning it out at 29.99 percent,'' Graf said. "Hell, anyone can do that.''
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23914.htm
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- health scam passed -- skys39, 05:06:54 11/08/09 Sun
un fkn real
despite what americans want
people will get violent now
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- Five more banks fail - 120 for the year -- doran, 05:03:34 11/08/09 Sun
Banks in California, Georgia, Michigan, Minnesota and Missouri were shuttered, costing the FDIC a total of $1.5 billion.
http://money.cnn.com/2009/11/06/news/economy/bank_failures/index.htm?postversion=2009110622
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- What Physicians Know -- doran, 05:01:15 11/08/09 Sun
While he praises Medicare for its simplicity and certainty, he has absolutely nothing positive to say about private insurers. They take up huge amounts of time of him and his staff, trying in every possible way to deny services to their customers (his patients) and also to pay as little as possible to him. His endless struggles with the insurance companies make his life miserable. Meanwhile all he cares about is giving his patients the very best care and not making them suffer because of their insurance carriers.
http://www.inteldaily.com/news/173/ARTICLE/12558/2009-11-06.html
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- 220 Kool aid drinkers pass socialist medicine act -- mugwump, 04:43:15 11/08/09 Sun
http://www.investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=2234&mn=235872&pt=msg&mid=8156564
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- Foreign Office warns Mann to 'keep quiet' -- doran, 01:08:53 11/08/09 Sun
Jack Straw, Britain's foreign secretary at the time of the attempted coup, initially denied that the Government knew about it in advance, but was later forced to admit that he did know. Whether any attempt was made to stop it, or encourage it, is not known. Mann has claimed that the UK, US, and Spanish governments all had prior knowledge.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/foreign-office-warns-mann-to-keep-quiet-1816864.html
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- Pyrite -- LSteve, 01:04:43 11/08/09 Sun
My thoughts, hopes and prayers are with you.
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- Pyrite -- Romanov, 01:02:09 11/08/09 Sun
Larry, so sorry to hear of your loss, my sincerest sympathies.
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- The Media As Enablers of Government Lies -- doran, 00:58:19 11/08/09 Sun
Why do politicians so easily get away with telling lies? In large part, because the news media are more interested in bonding with politicians than in exposing them. Americans are encouraged to believe that the media will serve as a check and a balance on the government. Instead, the press too often volunteer as unpaid pimps, helping politicians deceive the public.
http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0908c.asp
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- Afghanistan: Groundhog day -- doran, 00:47:18 11/08/09 Sun
The dimensions of the unfolding disaster in Afghanistan are becoming bigger and more daunting by the day. Once-staunch defenders of the "good war" are starting to break ranks. Kim Howells, a former Foreign Office minister with responsibility for Afghanistan and current chairman of the parliamentary intelligence and security committee, questions in our newspaper today the central tenet of the government's case for fighting in Afghanistan: that it is the frontline of a war that would otherwise be conducted on British streets. Mr Howells said counter-terrorism would be better served by bringing the majority of servicemen home. Better, he argues, to concentrate on protecting our borders and gathering intelligence at home and abroad.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/nov/04/afghanistan-political-failure-kim-howells
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- @ Sri Lanka Probably Used Some Of Its' IMF Funds To Buy GOLD ! -- MoreGold, 00:46:10 11/08/09 Sun
Sri Lanka's gold buy estimated at 5.3 tonnes
Submitted by cpowell on 10:44AM ET Saturday, November 7, 2009. Section: Daily Dispatches
Sri Lanka Buys Gold to Diversity Reserves
By Mel Gunasekera
Agence France-Presse
via Google News
Saturday, November 7, 2009
COLOMBO, Sri Lanka -- Sri Lanka's central bank on Saturday said it has been buying gold to diversify its reserves amid volatile currency markets, days after India announced it had purchased 200 tonnes of the precious metal.
Central Bank assistant governor Nandalal Weerasinghe declined to confirm analysts' estimates that the tropical island nation had purchased around 5 tonnes of gold.
"We have been observing that prices of gold have been going up so we have been strategically buying gold over the past several months as part of a reserve management process of diversifying our portfolio," he told AFP.
The price of gold hit a record high above $1,100 an ounce in London trading on Friday following a report that Sri Lanka had joined India in purchasing the precious metal.
Weerasinghe did not disclose from which sources the bank was buying the gold or at what prices. He gave no breakdown of how much of the country's more than $5 billion in foreign reserves were held in gold.
A senior source close to the central bank said the gold purchases were part of moves to smooth periods of dollar volatility and the amount bought was in the neighbourhood of 5.3 tonnes as of September.
The source said the bank intended to "continue to buy it (gold) as a hedge against volatility in currency markets."
Last Monday, the IMF kicked off its sale of more than 400 tonnes of gold by announcing it had sold almost half to India, the world's biggest gold consumer, at near-record prices.
A senior Indian government official, who did not wish to be named, told AFP that India's purchase of gold had been aimed at "evening out the potential for volatility in the value of the reserves."
"This was a matter of timing. The IMF had said it was selling gold so we took advantage of that," he said.
"It should be seen more in the light of diversification of reserves. It would be a mistake to read too much into this for the (outlook for the) dollar."
Gold and other commodity prices have surged in recent months amid a move away from a sliding dollar. The metal is also winning support over fears about a spike in inflation, as gold is widely regarded as a safe store of value.
"Central banks, which have been net sellers of gold, are now a new and increasingly important source of demand," World Gold Council chief executive Aram Shishmanian said in a statement.
The Sri Lankan bank's gold purchase comments coincided with a separate bank announcement that the release of a second tranche of an IMF bailout had pushed its foreign reserves to a record high of over $5 billion.
"The gross official international reserves of the country, which has already exceeded $4.8 billion, will surpass five billion dollar mark with the receipt of the IMF's $329.4 million," the central bank statement said.
The IMF gave the bailout package to Sri Lanka in July after the nation's reserves slumped to just over $1 billion as security forces pushed ahead with their final offensive to crush separatist Tamil Tiger rebels.
"With the renewed investor confidence and the continuation of the steady increase in foreign exchange inflows, the country's external reserve position is expected to strengthen further in the coming months," the bank said.
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- A very sad moment -- pu-ukani (), 00:06:14 11/08/09 Sun
This is a sad loss. Pyrite's wry sense of humor has been an incredible asset this board, always hinting that was a fine and compassionate person behind it. One can only imagine how devastating this must be for him. Pyrite, I offer my prayers and deepest sympathy at this time.
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- Ukraine Flu Epidemic -- doran, 00:44:26 11/08/09 Sun
Other reports have suggested that the epidemic is pure hype being played out as part of a political struggle between opposition politicians in Ukraine.
http://www.pandemicfluonline.com/?p=1576
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- Pyrite -- ROAN, 00:40:32 11/08/09 Sun
Larry my thoughts are with you during this time of tragedy in your life. Be strong Brother.
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- @ Pyrite ... -- MoreGold, 00:39:36 11/08/09 Sun
My condolences.
I suffered a series of losses in the past decade, I know its tough.
It's God's will. Look up at the first star you see at night, she is there, She is traveling the universe.
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- China probes US carmakers over dumping claims -- doran, 00:37:12 11/08/09 Sun
China’s deliberately high-profile announcement swiftly followed last night’s decision by Washington to impose hefty tariffs on steel pipes imported from the Chinese manufacturers. The Chinese commerce department described the tariffs as “discriminatory” on its website.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/transport/article6905998.ece
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- b_w -- Raja, 00:36:25 11/08/09 Sun
Nebulizer: I want to ask this question: If one gets the flu, how high the CS concentration has to be to be effective? For instance, would 30-50ppm CS work? If the answer is yes, then for how long one needs to use it, how many times a day, and for how may days? Tia.
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- German Gold Reserves in NY - Bundesbank had cooperated with the U.S. in gold price suppression -- doran, 00:34:10 11/08/09 Sun
http://adap2k.blogspot.com/2009/08/max-keiser-german-gold-reserves-in-new.html
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- German gold reserve's -- doran, 00:28:37 11/08/09 Sun
http://www.gata.org/node/7679
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- Germany’s sovereignty restricted by US and allies, insider’s book claims -- doran, 00:15:34 11/08/09 Sun
The former head of the West German Military Intelligence has issued a book revealing secret details of a 1949 US-German treaty, alleging America and its allies have been deliberately suppressing the nation’s sovereignty.
The retired General details a secret pact he alleges was signed in 1949 between Germany and the US, and which will be in force for another 90 years.
Komossa says the secret agreement means that all political parties in Germany are supervised by a special Washington-based body, that the country’s army takes part in all NATO missions at first demand and that all German gold reserves are stored in New York.
For some though, the content of the book came as nothing surprising.
http://www.russiatoday.com/Top_News/2009-11-07/germany-us-pact-komossa.html
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- US House backs healthcare reforms -- doran, 00:01:17 11/08/09 Sun
The US House of Representatives has backed a healthcare bill in a step towards reforms promised by President Obama, despite strong opposition.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8348941.stm
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- deepest sympathies, brother Pyrite -- WileE, 00:00:12 11/08/09 Sun
so sad and sorry to hear of your tragic loss.
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- Mike Ruppert interviewed with WSJ -- Prime8, 23:42:49 11/07/09 Sat
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703932904574511942676683258.html
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- Pyrite .. -- Delta-au, 23:37:14 11/07/09 Sat
Our Sincere Condolences ..
You are without doubt one of the most valuable contributors
here through your ability to lift our spirits.
I wish we could do the same for you at this dificult time.
Best Regards, Delta ..
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Pyrite -- Gila_Bob (), 23:14:15 11/07/09 Sat
Friend:
My Sincere Condolences.
Big Bob
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- On a more important note than gold or health-care issues... -- Norwester, 22:36 -- Zachary, 23:14:20 11/07/09 Sat
While I thank you for posting the news. It was a terrible first thing to read after turning on my computer.
Pyrite, I'm incredibly sad for your loss.
Zach
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- On a more important note than gold or health-care issues -- JoeB, 23:11:14 11/07/09 Sat
damn.....
My condolences and sympathies to Pyrite, he deserves better.
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- On a more important note than gold or health-care issues... -- Norwester, 22:36:04 11/07/09 Sat
Larry [AKA "Pyrite"] has suffered a severe loss today with
the sudden death of his life-long companion, his wife,
Sondra, who apparently had some major circulatory trauma
during the night last night and was unable to recover from
it despite extensive procedures tried today.
She was one of the nicest and kindest people one could have
hoped to meet, as all who met her at the LibbyFests know,
and our lives will be much less fulfilled now with her
loss. Say a prayer for her and Larry.
NW'er
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- lildevil... -- Nuclearson (), 20:55:44 11/07/09 Sat
time for suncor to buy more BQI
again..
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- EaRl -- Nuclearson, 21:14:13 11/07/09 Sat
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Continue to The Huffington Post »
Other things to try:
* Search www.huffingtonpost.com:
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- Uh, a gold related post -- Deepbreather, 21:12:49 11/07/09 Sat
RGLD closed at what appears to be an all time high on Friday. This is a very positive indicator for future price action in the gold market.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=RGLD&t=5y&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=
The gold stocks are lagging the POG. This is "normally" a predictor of a gold correction. But RGLD strength may just be the first indicator of an equity catch up phase.
Next week is light on gov't stat releases, so there may be some blue sky for gold and the PM equities. 1100 will offer weak resistance.
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- neat chart posted over on tammy's site -- Nuclearson (), 20:52:05 11/07/09 Sat
have we hit "peak paper pieces with pretty pictures painted on them?"
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- HuffPuff sez: -- Earl, 20:53:51 11/07/09 Sat
DEMS: WE HAVE THE VOTES...
HEALTH CARE WILL PASS TONIGHT
Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/&cp
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- Got the Citibank CC letter in the mail today... -- JoeB, 20:48:18 11/07/09 Sat
I've heard about others getting there's, now we got ours. Never have much of a balance, most times we carry nothing. Our once single digit interest rate, will now be 24%. Most folks are getting the 30% interest rate letter. I guess I should be honored they are giving us the bargain rate? They'll lower it if we transfer $3k onto it. Where are we gonna transfer that $3k from? I'll cut it up and mail it back. Feck 'em.
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- what else is there to say? -- Earl, 20:44:03 11/07/09 Sat
I'm doing 'God's work'. Meet Mr Goldman Sachs
Number 85 Broad Street, a dull, rust-coloured office block in lower Manhattan, doesn’t look like a place to stop and stare, and that’s just the way the people who work there like it. The men and women who arrive in the watery dawn sunshine, dressed in Wall Street black, clutching black briefcases and BlackBerrys, are very, very private. They walk quickly from their black Lincoln town cars to the lobby, past, well, nothing, really. There’s no name plate on the building, no sign on the front desk and the armed policeman stationed outside isn’t saying who works there. There’s a good reason for the secrecy. Number 85 Broad Street, New York, NY 10004, is where the money is. All of it.
It’s the site of the best cash-making machine that global capitalism has ever produced, and, some say, a political force more powerful than governments. The people who work behind the brass-trim glass doors make more money than some countries do. They are the rainmakers’ rainmakers, the biggest swinging dicks in the financial jungle. Their assets total $1 trillion, their annual revenues run into the tens of billions, and their profits are in the billions, which they distribute liberally among themselves. Average pay this recessionary year for the 30,000 staff is expected to be a record $700,000. Top earners will get tens of millions, several hundred thousand times more than a cleaner at the firm. When they have finished getting "filthy rich by 40", as the company saying goes, these alpha dogs don’t put their feet up. They parachute into some of the most senior political posts in the US and beyond, prompting accusations that they "rule the world". Number 85 Broad Street is the home of Goldman Sachs.
More at:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6907681.ece
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- Talking about poor -- Skinee, 20:36:01 11/07/09 Sat
I continualy read about people maxed out on their credit cards.
What kind of person would actually do that.
The interest on those things is a bout 15%
No dam wonder people are poor.
They got educated in a government school and can't do math.
Government school = public school
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- skinnee...I humbly sacrifice my flu shot to you -- Nuclearson (), 20:24:30 11/07/09 Sat
you deserve to live more years than I
which is nothing more than a tear drop of a butterfly
in the immense ocean of time...
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- Why would the elites not get looked after first -- Skinee, 20:16:44 11/07/09 Sat
weather it is flu shots, tickets to the game, priority this and that.
A elite is a person of wealth
The rich have the power to control and run affairs to their liking.
Occasionally the others rebel and take power and everything ends up in turmoil because the poor know shit.
That is why they were poor.
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- Nuclearson -- Skinee, 20:09:33 11/07/09 Sat
A bit of truth seems to upset you
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- there is much much more to following Christ to the Cross than -- Nuclearson, 20:06:50 11/07/09 Sat
dumbly mouthing words..
sacrifice of sin is very powerful
sacrifice in your behavior...
concentration can be focused
and cause some tremendous things to happen
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- mind control is so simple.. -- Nuclearson, 19:59:15 11/07/09 Sat
by giving the flew shot to the elites first
it will have a strong psychological impact on the little people
and cause many of them to dumbly lust
after the shot too
"Look ma' I am a big shit just like them!"
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- right skinnee..."christians" must say they beleive jesus is the son of god... -- Nuclearson (), 19:50:57 11/07/09 Sat
and most of them will be sucking devil dick for eternity too...
James 2:19 (New International Version)
19You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
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- Good on Zenyatta -- RIP, 19:36:10 11/07/09 Sat
Hard to believe she could take horse of the year from Rachel.
Even harder to believe they may never meet.
Damn polytrack.
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- Nuclearson -- Skinee, 19:31:50 11/07/09 Sat
There is only one division in the Masonic order that is not Christian.
You must swear that you believe in the holly Trinity before you are admitted,
That is a hell of a lot more than a lot of so called Christians would do.
Look up Masonic Order Of Scotland
And that is a hell of a lot higher than what braindead so called Christians that say the 33rd is the highest degree.
You guys know shit...and you sure don't know the bible
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- New Mexican 200 Peso note -- Mikikis, 19:28:14 11/07/09 Sat
Quite nice for fiat.
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- Suncor to be a 'consolidator' of leases -- LilDevil, 19:27:32 11/07/09 Sat
CALGARY -- Suncor Energy Inc., with its massive slate of oil sands assets, will be a buyer not a seller of bitumen-laced properties as it reshapes itself following its merger with Petro-Canada, the company’s chief executive said Friday.
“Down the road, I’d be more of an acquirer, or maybe a better way to put that [is] a consolidator [of oil sands leases], than I would be a seller,” Rick George said during the company’s third-quarter conference call. “It is our heartland and the core of this company.”
Mr. George also provided a further glimpse into which projects the energy giant plans to sell in the wake of the takeover. The assets, valued at between $2-billion and $4-billion, include 30% of its natural gas production, small North Sea properties, operations in Trinidad and Tobago, and a corporate plane. Most of the auctions will take place in 2010, Mr. George said. He added the auctions will reduce the company’s production by about 10%, but this will later be replaced as Suncor plows money back into new oil sands operations. The money will be used to pay down debt....................more
http://www.canada.com/business/fp/Suncor+consolidator+sands+leases/2192148/story.html
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- Lil Devil -- Skinee, 19:27:24 11/07/09 Sat
There would be a hell of a lot more flu shots, if there was a hell of a lot more goldbugs
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- Rip -- Skinee, 19:25:42 11/07/09 Sat
Been there done that
Still more fun than watching what others call sport
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- Skinee -- RIP, 19:23:57 11/07/09 Sat
It was a financial disaster.
BTW....2 mares and 3 geldings won today.
I picked the wrong no nutz......lol
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- As flu spreads, temperatures rise over more vaccine queue jumping -- LilDevil, 19:22:35 11/07/09 Sat
200 donors of Montreal hospital already inoculated
First it was hockey players. Now, wealthy hospital donors have jumped the queue to get H1N1 flu shots.
On Friday, news emerged that the top 200 donors at Montreal's Jewish General Hospital have already been inoculated.
Meanwhile, board members of Toronto's Mount Sinai Hospital were offered H1N1 flu shots at a regularly scheduled board of governors meeting Oct. 26, says the union representing 46,000 health care workers in Ontario.
"The message this is sending is that the wealthy and influential should be treated first," said Pat Chastang, a spokeswoman for the Service Employees International Union Local 1 Canada, "even if it means pregnant women and children must be made to wait."
The Ontario union urged all 65 of Mount Sinai's board members, who received their vaccinations on Oct. 26, to resign. "The most important quality of a board member are their ethics and their integrity. Clearly, jumping the queue was a mistake," said Chastang..................more
http://www.canada.com/health/Temperatures+rise+over+H1N1+queue+jumping/2196538/story.html
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- you are right doran...the usa was founded on masonic religion -- Nuclearson, 19:18:08 11/07/09 Sat
which is satanic at its core
1 John 5:19
We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.
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- Doran -- Skinee, 19:14:33 11/07/09 Sat
If the USA of America was founded as a Christian nation.
Every Christian should kiss a Freemasons ass.
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- Rip -- Skinee, 19:12:11 11/07/09 Sat
I missed the race...how did it go...finacaily
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- Mises: The Man Who Predicted the Depression -- oilboiler (), 19:10:38 11/07/09 Sat
Good, short article on why an even bigger crash is coming...
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/mises-man-who-predicted-depression
Also, on the coming gold bubble
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/next-bubble-gold
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- MichaelH -- Skinee, 19:11:05 11/07/09 Sat
Do you think there might be a slim chance in your mind that I might really be a nice guy.
Maybe you might even like me some day.
At present I will rule out love.
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- morbius -- RIP, 18:55:23 11/07/09 Sat
The gold is still there.
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- RIP - The guilt may remain -- morbius, 18:54:08 11/07/09 Sat
but the collection of the guilty are almost gone.
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- Is there a greater example of collective guilt...than the holocaust? -- RIP, 18:50:05 11/07/09 Sat
That sucker won't die.....since it is a proverbial gold mine.
It just keeps getting recycled.
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- JoeB - This stuff isn't that far out -- morbius (), 18:35:55 11/07/09 Sat
If you believe in morality, then you believe in guilt (transgression). If you take a job with an organization, act in concert with the other members towards a goal (let's say monetary profit), you would expect to share in the profit, would you not? Likewise if the object of the organization was to commit a crime, you would share in the guilt, no? In a way this would be individual responsibility for the crimes (that the individual abetted) of the group (to which the individual belonged). A real post-modernist (kidding) approach would be to assign guilt to the group while absolving the individual: "Mistakes were made", "I was only following procedure", "I was only doing my job".
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- A funny line from Repo man: -- MichaelH, 18:40:23 11/07/09 Sat
Duke: The lights are growing dim Otto. I know a life of crime has led me to this sorry fate, and yet, I blame society. Society made me what I am.
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- No one is guilty until caught.... -- RIP, 18:38:11 11/07/09 Sat
...and punished.
Or....call it US exceptionalism.
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- It's "the Godfather of Conservatism" who said : -- doran, 18:34:10 11/07/09 Sat
""There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.' Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of 'conservatism.' " (1909-1998) US Senator (R-Arizona) Source: Congressional Record, September 16, 1981
http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/about/Goldwater.html
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- JoeB - That's a rather disappointing diatribe by the usually insightful Rothbard -- morbius, 18:27:20 11/07/09 Sat
Guilt for slavery - nonsense. No person involved is alive today. Guilt for trashing the planet? Absolutely. Guilt for eating and killing of animals (particularly from factory farms), Yep. (I understand the Native Americans apologized to their prey - a tacit admission of guilt).
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- Senator Barry M. Goldwater -- doran, 18:22:01 11/07/09 Sat
The great decisions of government cannot be dictated by the concerns of religious factions.... We have succeeded for 205 years in keeping the affairs of state separate from the uncompromising idealism of religious groups and we mustn't stop now. To retreat from that separation would violate the principles of conservatism and the values upon which the framers built this democratic republic. -
http://capecodhistory.us/quotes/separation.htm
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- Afghans die in 'Nato air strike' -- doran, 18:19:02 11/07/09 Sat
At least eight Afghans working with US forces have been killed in a Nato air strike in north-western Afghanistan, the defence ministry in Kabul says.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8348129.stm
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- why is the notion of collective guilt so ridiculous? -- JoeB, 18:18:54 11/07/09 Sat
Guilt Sanctified by Murray N. Rothbard
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard71.html
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- Total BS -- RIP (), 18:09:58 11/07/09 Sat
The founding of the US, and the philosophy upon which it was based and justified, not only flew against the prevailing world sentiment at the time -concerning the structure of government- but went against the tide of human history.
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I suppose that was why the US was among the last countries to ban slavery.
But do carry on with your delusions.
Rights of man...my azz.
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- JoeB - And you are correct -- morbius, 18:16:05 11/07/09 Sat
as a taxpayer, I have to accept some measure of guilt for the actions of my government. My sole defense is that I fund the crimes of The State, My State, only under duress. If I should become a victim of terrorism on account of this, it would not be totally devoid of justification.
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- The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion. -- doran (), 18:12:07 11/07/09 Sat
Robert G. Ingersoll .......It is contended by many that ours is a Christian government, founded upon the Bible, and that all who look upon that book as false or foolish are destroying the foundation of our country. The truth is, our government is not founded upon the rights of gods, but upon the rights of men. Our Constitution was framed, not to declare and uphold the deity of Christ, but the sacredness of humanity. Ours is the first government made by the people for the people. It is the only nation with which the gods have nothing to do. And yet there are some judges dishonest and cowardly enough to solemnly decide that this is a Christian country, and that our free institutions are based upon the infamous laws of Jehovah.
http://capecodhistory.us/quotes/separation.htm
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- but rather the fiat prices are merely reflecting the growing loss of faith in the fiat system. -- JoeB, 18:12:33 11/07/09 Sat
Exactly. The first rise in the gold price (which corrected last year) had to do with excess liquidity and its consequences. The current rise has to do with the increasing possibility of social, political and economic breakdown. Currently gold is not so much an inflation hedge, as it is social insurance and wealth preservation.
This is classic second stage of a secular bull market where institutions, both public and private, get on board. Read the gold boards (including this one) we are climbing the perverbial wall of worry.
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- JoeB - So is the notion that there is such a thing as guilt -- morbius, 18:09:06 11/07/09 Sat
So what?
If there is such a thing as collective action (military, sports, lynch mob), why is the notion of collective guilt so ridiculous?
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- coined the term 'collective guilt' is irrelevant. - morbius -- JoeB, 18:07:18 11/07/09 Sat
I think we are discussing two different ideas. To the postmodernist, all is political (even math), and for them collective guilt is a sociological concept of morality, not one that concerns individuals or groups of individuals.
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- Practitioner: Don't confuse our work with televangelists' -- doran, 18:06:51 11/07/09 Sat
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-tc-nw-health-prayer-1031-110nov01,0,5502781.story
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- Nevertheless, this idea is universally held. - morbius -- JoeB, 18:03:17 11/07/09 Sat
So is the notion that there needs to be government. I do not construct my morality based on the intution of the masses, but instead on the core premise of my philosophy. The founding of the US, and the philosophy upon which it was based and justified, not only flew against the prevailing world sentiment at the time -concerning the structure of government- but went against the tide of human history.
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- Toledo consumers turning their gold into green....Or..... -- morbius (), 17:58:18 11/07/09 Sat
Indebted Toledo consumers selling the family jewels.
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- Health Reform ......Paying for prayer? -- doran, 17:56:58 11/07/09 Sat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WqrXByIHhg
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- Ex-GOP Congressman walks out when taunted over lack of military service -- doran, 17:49:34 11/07/09 Sat
http://rawstory.com/2009/11/exgop-congressman-storms-confronted-healthcare/
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- Most Americans back govt health insurance plan: poll -- doran (), 17:38:48 11/07/09 Sat
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jvs4MD6yXvC7MdsFhZc37gSzA8vA
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- Think Jim Willie may be right.... -- Iainmac, 17:43:25 11/07/09 Sat
Toledo consumers turning their gold into green
There's a gold rush of sorts going on right now, but not with pick axes and dynamite.
Instead, consumers struggling through a moribund economy are rushing to jewelry stores to cash in unmatched earrings, out-of-style necklaces, and old gaudy bling now that the price of gold has hovered near $1,100 an ounce.
"I think it's a sign of the times," explained Ali Cheaib, president of Azure Jewelers in West Toledo, "with unemployment the way it is, with jobs scarce, it's a good time to sell jewelry."
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091107/BUSINESS03/911070351/-1/BUSINESS
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- Public wants Congress to keep working on health care -- doran, 17:41:59 11/07/09 Sat
Fifty-nine percent of people questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey say lawmakers should continue working on the legislation, a rise of 6 points since August. But only a quarter say those bills should be passed pretty much as is, with a third suggesting that Congress should make major changes. The poll also indicates that one in four say lawmakers should start from scratch and 15 percent want Congress to stop all work on health care reform.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/11/06/cnn-poll-public-wants-congress-to-keep-working-on-health-care/
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- Jim Willie -- Iainmac, 17:37:03 11/07/09 Sat
One week ago, gold offered a nice little discount that is no more. One must wonder if anyone inside the Untied States took advantage. My guess is more American sellers were ferreted out of the bushes, while Chinese buyers in legion showed up. One week ago, silver offered a sizeable discount that is no more. A story within the IMF India story can be told. Rumor was ripe that the Indian central bank paid for the 200 tonnes of gold offered supposedly by the IMF, not in cash, but in silver bullion. Rumor attached the question of whether India, with its huge silver reserve, had curried favor with the Boyz in New York and London. [Editor's comment: 'curried'... nice one, Jimbo. Curry is this editor's Favourite Food, Mmmm Good.] My best source of information reports that India paid not in silver at all. Little wonder that silver recovered a full 100 cents in just two days time. The opportunities to buy gold under 1100 are fast vanishing. The opportunities to buy silver under 18 are fast vanishing. The available prices paid will still look very cheap a year from now. Debate is really stupid on whether gold is caught in a bubble. The big bubble is USTreasurys, but of little recognition. With money being created from nothing to support fiat currencies on a global scale, with central banks justifying their near 0% official interest rates, with governments continuing to authorize more bank rescues and bailouts under the table, debate should be centered upon the destruction of the monetary system and global currencies. Instead, they actually raise the question of a gold bubble. What will these same quacks say when gold hits $2000 and silver hits $50? Who knows? Who cares? They are not the source of wisdom or prudence. Their voices come from the bowels of the syndicate, many of whom are being forced to fall on their own swords. May they bleed freely and die off from the planet!
http://www.321gold.com/editorials/willie/willie110609.html
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- JoeB - There is no logic to extending 'collective' guilt (for a crime) -- morbius (), 17:18:06 11/07/09 Sat
beyond those actually involved. In a case where a group cooperating in the planing and commission of a crime can be identified, 'collective guilt' does make sense. I have never been comfortable with the fact that the driver of a getaway car is held to be as guilty of murder as the 'inside man' who pulls the trigger on the teller (unless the plan included murder from the git-go). Nevertheless, this idea is universally held. The fact that some post-modernist once proposed this idea, considered it or coined the term 'collective guilt' is irrelevant. The only thing in question is the extent of guilt and mitigating factors such as coercion. Adolph Eichmann was only arranging train schedules, after all.
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- morbius -- mudturtle, 17:16:31 11/07/09 Sat
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/obama%20money.gif
+++++++++++
from:
And the Fed will NEVER be able to unwind the majority of the trash they have taken on their balance sheet--unless they can somehow pass it on to either Uncle Sugar (translation: the taxpayer) or foist it off on the money market funds (as they have been floating trial balloons to that effect lately).
So, at this point I have concluded that useless, barbarous, relics are not in a "bubble", but rather the fiat prices are merely reflecting the growing loss of faith in the fiat system.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/next-bubble-gold#comment-123542
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- What justification can you give at stopping at the race/location/age of the gang in question? -- JoeB, 17:02:58 11/07/09 Sat
I am not the one assigning guilt. Those who assign it, must justify their position. I am merely pointing out the consequences (taken to a conclusion, based on their logic, the finger points to them as well), the condridictions (if they advocate individualism) and that when put into practice, the morality of collective guilt aids in the political ascension of authoritarian regimes.
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- You can lock Tubby up....but you cant shut him up -- RIP, 16:59:54 11/07/09 Sat
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2197155
I would ask M'lord....who is now building walls?
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- latest poll- 54% oppose obamacare -- mugwump, 16:53:52 11/07/09 Sat
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform
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- JoeB - The postmodern retort: "Its society's fault." -- morbius, 16:52:12 11/07/09 Sat
Non Sequitur.
You said: Collective guilt would blame all gangs or all blacks or the city where the gang was located or all people their age.
My question was: What justification can you give at stopping at the race/location/age of the gang in question?
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- JoeB - What about the killer himself. -- morbius, 16:46:48 11/07/09 Sat
Good point. Guilty, if he ever attempted to psychologically patch up a grunt and return him to the front lines. I don't think the killer intended to survive his escapade, so you might say he returned a verdict on himself and his involvement.
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- The 'victims' were not born into the US military -- morbius, -- JoeB, 16:46:39 11/07/09 Sat
But they are born into the local tribal political construct, no matter how small or large. One then has to ask, what immoral or unethical actions by their tribe do they accept, because they have been indoctrinated since birth, that its acceptable (normal) for the tribe to do so? This is not just a sociological phenomena of the US.
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- What justification can you give at stopping at the race/location/age of the gang in question? -- JoeB, 16:43:05 11/07/09 Sat
The postmodern retort:
"Its society's fault."
Or haven't you heard that one?
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- MIC actively engaged in the prosecution of a war of aggression? Absolutely. -- JoeB, 16:42:01 11/07/09 Sat
And you assume that everyone on that base was guilty? Based on what? What about the killer himself, who has been in the employ of the US military throughout most of the invasion and occupation?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33695256/ns/us_news-military/
He willingly received the rank of major just last year. Why not turn it down to protest? How does he get off by your standards? Because he finally went postal and killed, or attempted to kill, other members of the military?
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- Collective guilt would blame all gangs or all blacks or the city where the gang was located -- morbius, 16:38:45 11/07/09 Sat
It would not, and if it did, why not extend it to all humanity? (Reductio ad absurdum). What justification can you give at stopping at the race/location/age of the gang in question?
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- Pierre Lassonde interview -- mudturtle, 16:38:10 11/07/09 Sat
http://tinyurl.com/yzfvqts
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- JoeB - A black man forms a gang -- morbius (), 16:19:00 11/07/09 Sat
Members of the gang must rape a white woman to qualify for membership. Tyrone is an employee (pending induction) of the gang. He only drives the car that is used for the abduction of the white women. Jamal is in charge of recruiting new members. Rufus shops for the duct tape and panty hose to be used in the rapes. Tawana video tapes the 'encounter' for the historical record and recruitment aid. No 'collective' guilt (among gang members) here, right?
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- Submariner... -- JoeB, 16:35:18 11/07/09 Sat
I was merely stating the consequences of morbius' position, that is not a view I hold.
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- No 'collective' guilt -- JoeB, 16:33:40 11/07/09 Sat
Collective guilt would blame all gangs or all blacks or the city where the gang was located or all people their age. It would be an assigning of guilt to even those who did not participate.
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- 99.9% of Americans are guilty by a simple extension of that thinking. - JoeB -- Submariner, 16:31:26 11/07/09 Sat
If you are an American, are you part of the 99.9% which are guilty of supporting the beast or the 0.1%?
And if you say you are part of the 0.1%, then how do you do it?
Thanks.
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- JoeB - The 'victims' were not born into the US military -- morbius, 16:31:21 11/07/09 Sat
either.
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- There is no doubt about 'collective guilt' -- morbius, 16:30:22 11/07/09 Sat
The collective guilt of a group of people cooperating in the commission of a crime is common to all legal systems (accusations of post-modernism notwithstanding). The only issue is the extent of the collective guilt. Should it extend to every member of the race? Of course not. Every member of the society? No. Every tax payer? Maybe. Every member of the military? Debatable. Every member of the MIC actively engaged in the prosecution of a war of aggression? Absolutely.
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- A black man forms a gang -- morbius -- JoeB, 16:22:56 11/07/09 Sat
A gang is not the society at large, Tyrone was not born into the gang. Tyrone's world and options have been larger than the gang.
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- will not cause the object of the label to shrink away -- JoeB, 16:21:14 11/07/09 Sat
It should for a libertarian, especially one who is well read.
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- Nope. War Crimes. -- JoeB, 16:19:55 11/07/09 Sat
In the case of this shooting by Hasan, we are not talking about people with their hands directly on the trigger (as in your example) but those with an indirect hand. How many have been serving before the invasion? Did he even attempt to separate them out when he was shooting? Somehow I doubt he was slicing the fine philosophical line you're attempting.
But even going by your own standard, you know where your tax monies are going, so you are guilty as well. If you say you aren't, then in my opinion, you are being hypocritical.
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- Kunstlers forecast for 2009 was fairly accurate -- Jasper, 16:16:46 11/07/09 Sat
http://www.kunstler.com/Mags_Forecast2009.html
Conclusion
The big theme for 2009 economically will be contraction. The end of the cheap energy era will announce itself as the end of conventional "growth" and the shrinking back of activity, wealth, and populations. Contraction will come as a great shock to a world of conventionally programmed economists. They will toil and sweat to account for it, and they will probably be wrong. Unfortunately, this contraction will do its work in unpleasant ways, driving down standards of living, shearing away hopes and expectations for a particular life of comfort, and introducing disorder to so many of the systems we have depended on for so long. People will starve, lose their homes, lose incomes and status, and lose the security of living in peaceful societies. It will become clear that the Long Emergency is underway.
My hope for the year, at least for my own society, is that we will transition away from being a nation of complacent, distracted, over-fed clowns, to become a purposeful and responsible people willing to put their shoulders to the wheel to get some things done. My motto for the new year: "no more crybabies!"
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- JoeB - Your philosopical system needs a little work -- morbius, 16:09:49 11/07/09 Sat
The incantation "Post-modernism" will not cause the object of the label to shrink away like a vampire confronted with a crucifix. Perhaps a little transcendental mediation to suppress those jingoistic reflexes that lie just beneath your auto-putative anarchism is in order.
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- As Lt. Watada illustrated -- JoeB, 16:08:34 11/07/09 Sat
Perhaps Nidal Malik Hasan should have followed Watada's example?
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- Collective responsibility.....or does this only pertain to 'loosers'? -- RIP, 16:05:45 11/07/09 Sat
....Of course, the idea that a state, any more than a corporation, commits crimes is a fiction. Crimes always are committed only by persons. While it is quite proper to employ the fiction of responsibility of a state or corporation for the purpose of imposing a collective liability, it is quite intolerable to let such a legalism be- come the basis of personal immunity.
The Charter recognizes that one who has committed criminal acts may not take refuge in superior orders nor in the doctrine that his crimes were acts of states. These twin principles working together have heretofore resulted in immunity for practically everyone concerned in the really great crimes against peace and mankind. Those in lower ranks were protected against liability by the orders of their superiors. The superiors were protected because their orders were called acts of state. Under the Charter, no defense based on either of these doctrines can be entertained. Modern civilization puts unlimited weapons of destruction in the hands of men. It cannot tolerate so vast an area of legal irresponsibility.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Opening_address_for_the_United_States/Part_11
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- morbius -- JoeB, 16:05:05 11/07/09 Sat
Identify how? By what standard?
One can not be guilty of a crime of philosophy or expressing it morally. One can be guilty or murder when killing. Murder is a legal construct. A construct based on a moral code. So again we arrive to the central question of which moral code?
A black man rapes and kills a white woman, are all black men rapists and murders? A Jewish banker cons a customer of his savings, are all Jewish bankers con-men? An insurance company profits from its health care policies, are all insurance companies greedy capitalists? There are real world consequences to collective guilt, that go beyond how a nation's uses its military.
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- Dresden, etc. -- morbius, 15:58:59 11/07/09 Sat
I know this is not what you were angling for. You want me to say that the bombings were a punishment for not a example of collective guilt. I will say that a lot of the people on the ground were collectively guilty, but not all, and probably not most. It gets a little more complicated in the case of Nazi Germany, because if you didn't cooperate, you were killed. That's not the case here,....yet. As Lt. Watada illustrated, one can opt out of this collective crime.
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- JoeB - Willingly? LOL That what's the IRS says. -- morbius -- JoeB, 15:56:15 11/07/09 Sat
I am stating the reality of any society with a government and especially one with the state. I avoid this dilemma by advocating the end of the state. Until then, I have to deal with the reality of why things are, the way things are.
Why? Because from my viewpoint, how does one construct and then support a nation rooted in liberty? IMO, at the kernel of every society, one finds its philosophy. Next is culture. The culture of liberty, supports, defends and promotes liberty. How? Through social indoctrination via private institutions, social interaction and ethos. Why? Because that's the way all societies have functioned. If they function that way for liberty (the culture of liberty), they also functions that way for authority (the culture of authority). Invalidation of the methodology for one, invalidates it for the other. What solutions then exist for creating a culture of liberty? One that ignores the constants of private institutions, social interaction and ethos. How?
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- Here's collective guilt -- 2bro2b, 15:54:37 11/07/09 Sat
Not for the first time, I'm forced to consider far left white separatism. Clearly, white people are inherently racist and oppressive and incapable of being good neighbors. We need to be locked away from other races to protect them from the ineradicable racism that permeates every atom of our beings. No one is safe among us. Separatism is the only way to save the human race from our malevolence. Only a truly racist person would allow non-whites anywhere near us, which is why all the most powerful integrationists are whites - they're clearly filled with a murderous hate for non-whites.
--- from the web
Outta here.
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- JoeB - Collective guilt IS a reality -- morbius, 15:50:40 11/07/09 Sat
Do you deny that we could identify a collection of individuals who are responsible for the illegal and immoral invasion and occupation of Iraq? If the surviving member of an innocent family killed in this illegal invasion were to kill one of these individuals (or the Ball of Wax lot of them) would he then be guilty of the crime of post-modernism?
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- So you are okay with what happened at Dresden? Hiroshima and Nagasaki? -- morbius, 15:43:39 11/07/09 Sat
Nope. War Crimes. The bomber pilots: Guilty. Those who planned and authorized the attacks: Guilty. Those who loaded the fuel and the bombs: Guilty.
Assuming that they didn't know the bombs/bombers would be used on civilians, those involved in the design, manufacture, delivery etc. of the weapons: Not Guilty.
It is a little more difficult to forgive the latter group in the case of a clearly illegal invasion and occupation of another country.
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- Hmm, looks like Dopee and Carmack have moved off. -- ellix, 15:42:08 11/07/09 Sat
Dopee has undoubtedly never heard of floss or a tooth brush so he is busy reading up in his dyslexic fashion-- should be finished some time next week and Carmack, well, he is wishing that he kept his toothless trap shut.
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- morbius -- JoeB, 15:38:50 11/07/09 Sat
One can have a philosophy, whose epistemology is reason and can defend both if they so chose (and should if an adherent of both). Euclidean Geometry is the consequence of reasoned thinking, but that's where the similarities end. To be philosophically consistent, you are left supporting the whole ball of wax, for the ethics of postmodern philosophy (like all other philosophies) is supported by the other structures of the philosophy (metaphysics, epistemology, ideology, et al.) and its core premise. You can defend one aspect of a philosophy, but as I stated over and over, should you reject the other componants of the philosophy, you're at best inconsistent, at worse, hypocritical. So indeed, embrace and defend postmodern morality, but understand you are then saddled with its ideology (authoritarianism). If you claim you have a philosophy which shares in common the morality of postmodernism, but not its ideology, then its incumbent upon you to demonstrate how an ideology of liberty can co-exist with the collective morality of postmodernism.
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- Shale Gale; Rock’n in the Bakken -- 2bro2b, 15:37:08 11/07/09 Sat
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703399204574507440795971268.html
http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/powers/2009/1104.html
........only rock & roll and they like it's a gasgasgas.
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- oops, sorry Dopee and Carmack, -- ellix, 15:35:43 11/07/09 Sat
that link has errors...
"Because, plaque turns to tartar when it gets built up"
it is the reverse, the silly twit, masquerading as an expert.
The rest is not too bad.
In any case, Dopee, you lost your teeth because of gum disease because you never flossed-- and doubtless because your toothbrush never left its wrapper.
Just follow these easy steps and you might save your implants-- buy an oral irrigator as well such as Water-Pik.
Maybe you can get the welfare department to pick up the tab.
(are you French Canadian? That would explain your terrible grammar-- and give you an excuse)
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- JoeB - Willingly? LOL That what's the IRS says. -- morbius (), 15:32:44 11/07/09 Sat
I guess the purse snatchers ought to get with a program of periodic and recurring theft. Perhaps a letter to the victim explaining how his home will burned down if he does not mail check for 10% of his income. By your metric, all that is now necessary to make this legal (moral, too?) is to 'grandfather' the practice, so that the victim is 'born into the system'.
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- Here's collective guilt -- RIP, 15:31:11 11/07/09 Sat
...The killings of 13 people at Fort Hood, Texas, by an Army psychiatrist who also was a Muslim set off a rancorous debate Friday that once again spotlighted the fear among Muslims in America that they'll be collectively found guilty for the actions of one man.
Vitriolic exchanges filled Internet sites devoted to military affairs, with some posters arguing that Muslims should be barred from the armed services.
News reporters deluged the Silver Spring, Md., mosque where the Fort Hood shooting suspect once worshipped, demanding to know what the Quran, Islam's holy book, has to say about such events. One even asked if the suspect, Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who was born in Virginia and lived his whole life in the U.S., spoke with an "accent."
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/78511.html
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- morbius -- JoeB (), 15:13:44 11/07/09 Sat
I doubt that ANY idea is original to post-modernism, and even if it were, since when do the origins of any idea have any bearing on its validity?
Not its validity, but the consequences of adopting important components of the philosophy into your moral judgement. Especially postmodern morality, which is used to justify collectivist political models and authoritarianism.
So if I select ANY theorem/axiom from Euclidean Geometry, I am stuck with 'The whole Ball of Wax'. Exactly why (anticipating your objection) is this analogy faulty?
Euclidean Geometry is not a philosophy which then generates a moral code or value system upon which a social ethos is constructed and enforced through actions relative to public and private institutions.
Once more: How far are YOU willing to go with 'Collective Amnesty'?. If the origins of this idea were shown to be Post War Germany, would that make a difference.
So you are okay with what happened at Dresden? Hiroshima and Nagasaki? That is the ulitmate execution of collective guilt.
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- JoeB - Euclidean Geometry is not a philosphy which then generates a moral code or value system -- morbius, 15:24:02 11/07/09 Sat
This is true. Your conclusion (that you must accept the 'Whole Ball of Wax') is totally unsupported by the observation that geometry is different from political philosophy. You claim both are supported by reason, correct? An analogy is not an identity. There are supposed to be differences. You must demonstrate that there is a fundamental difference that could account for the fact that the selection of any axiom/theorem in case of geometry does not necessitate the acceptance of the 'Whole Ball of Wax', whereas in the case of a political/moral philosophy, it does.
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- That's pretty radical think for an avowed anarchist -- JoeB, 15:23:01 11/07/09 Sat
That's not what I am saying. Again, you are comparing apples and oranges. This particular street thief (the state) is not grabbing and running away with your purse, you are willingly handing it to him, for you do not desire to face the consequences of challenging him. There's no surprise element to either taxation or fiat money. You were born into both and you accept both implicitly and explicitly, through you're actions and/or lack of action.
Now, if you want to argue against that, based on your philosophical beliefs and the moral consequences of those beliefs, then you are basing your innocence on awareness. Your ability to see through the veil or fog. Obviously volunteers in the US armed service haven't. Yet you'd condemn them to death for not having your foresight. They in turn (or their leaders) might be willing to say the same about your lack of foresight and the consequences of it. Such lack of foresight then gives them the authority to dispose of you as they wish. So we are then faced with choosing one of two competing value systems, which depend upon collective guilt in their execution. I reject both.
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- OK movie: Section 9 -- MichaelH, 15:18:04 11/07/09 Sat
About a large space ship disabled about a mile above Johhanesburg - the aliens are in a camp below it for 2 decades. Some rough genius at work.
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- Hmmmm.....So theft is not theft if The State does it -- morbius, 15:10:02 11/07/09 Sat
That's pretty radical think for an avowed anarchist.
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- that is nice that you have found common cause -- ellix, 15:07:46 11/07/09 Sat
with Carmack, Retarded One. Just to show my lack of resentment, I present you both with the following useful link:
http://searchwarp.com/swa150054.htm
Shortly you will find that people no longer cross to the other side of the street IF they see you coming.
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- Just how far do you want to go with collective innocence? -- JoeB, 15:06:51 11/07/09 Sat
I did not avoid it, I said you were comparing apples to oranges. The theft of an individual by another individual, is not comparable to the complex social structure of the dominate political institution within a society and and any random individual citizen. One is not born into theft, but one is born into a functioning society from which the very beginning indoctrination (both public and private) takes place to assure and convince the individual that the ethos of said society, is the norm. Hence, do not question authority or the structures of authority. The fact that the US armed services is staffed by volunteers, demonstrates the nearly full, if not complete, indoctrination of those volunteers.
I do not find the shooter any less culpable, just because his unhappiness with US foreign policy and its execution though the US military, runs somewhat parallel to mine. Why? For the totality of his core philosophy does not. And I wonder if he would be such a peacenik, if it was a muslim nation that played the role of the aggressor? IMO, what many here are doing is analyzing the situation through their ideology and not the core premise of their philosophy. I refuse to be that inconsistent. The enemy of my enemy, once victorious, can quickly become my enemy. Just take a look at Murtha, Pelosi and others of the authoritarian left (as an example), who once upon gaining the power of the majority, quickly dropped their (obviously faux) anti-war positions.
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- The illegal drug trade -- Jasper, 15:06:03 11/07/09 Sat
What is the matter with politicals and government not wanting to tax illegal drugs. You hear them complain that there isn't enough money collected in taxes. Are they brain dead. Shit, my neighbors must bring in 3k-5k a week. Enough money to rent a new auto every week for the trip to the big city to pick up drugs. Betch I am underestimating the profits. Taxes on 3k would be 1k a week, times a million dealers and government has some real cash to blow on award dinners for themselves.
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- Carmack -- Skinee, 14:58:34 11/07/09 Sat
Yeah...he ain't playing with a full deck.
Very short on head filling.
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- and I am sure, Carmack, that you are the exception to -- ellix, 14:53:59 11/07/09 Sat
the "all retards have bad teeth" rule.
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- JoeB - -- morbius, 14:53:37 11/07/09 Sat
I doubt that ANY idea is original to post-modernism, and even if it were, since when do the origins of any idea have any bearing on its validity?
So if I select ANY theorem/axiom from Euclidean Geometry, I am stuck with 'The whole Ball of Wax'. Exactly why (anticipating your objection) is this analogy faulty?
Once more: How far are YOU willing to go with 'Collective Amnesty'?. If the origins of this idea were shown to be Post War Germany, would that make a difference?
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- The coming assault on investor freedom -- RIP, 14:50:03 11/07/09 Sat
...More government involvement in banking and financial markets, fueled by a revival of the idea that free markets don't work and are inherently prone to failure, may strike some investors as a good thing. Won't markets be safer and produce better returns over the long run if key institutions and executives are subject to government discipline? While there's no evidence that governments will bring greater stability to financial markets, here's a sure bet: The anti-market rationale behind increased government meddling in high-level banking and financial markets will soon be expanded beyond banks, and include an assault on investors themselves.
http://www.financialpost.com/opinion/story.html?id=ec4667cb-03a3-4df7-9eed-07ed395ead75
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- uh oh, -- ellix, 14:47:49 11/07/09 Sat
sorry Carmack, I apparently hit nerves-- or at least where you used to have them before you lost your choppers.
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- - -- faloffal, 14:43:51 11/07/09 Sat
my guess,
therefore
is to see the Pandemic move from Ukraine, south into Turkey.
keeping in mind Winston's PF11 link, the definition of 'pandemic'
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- I'm guessing Skinee's implants are made out of Barrick gold -- RIP, 14:43:05 11/07/09 Sat
They are capitalist implants....even if you can't see them.
Just kidding, Skin.
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- - -- faloffal, 14:41:22 11/07/09 Sat
bioweapon flu
the introduction just prior to the end of WW2 in TimeWave, mirrored Polio/DDT.
In TimEwave it's, what? 1954/5? and the pressure is indeed building ... esp. the Middle East.
Pressure release in IndoChina over, we see that with 'Hood' today.
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- Skinee, -- Carmack, 14:40:51 11/07/09 Sat
You seem to have Exlax well under control but don't be too hard on him as he does appear to be on some serious mind debilating drugs !
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- out of the goodness of my heart, oh Green Toothed One, -- ellix, 14:39:36 11/07/09 Sat
please check here when your implants loosen up due to outstanding neglect of dental hygiene. http://www.emhart.com/products/helicoil.asp
(your sure you're young bride is not inflatable?)
(sic, etc)
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- Is labeling an argument post-modern -- JoeB, 14:36:04 11/07/09 Sat
No. Point is, I am revealing its origins. Philosophically, one can't pick and chose. If you advocate components of postmodernism, then you are stuck with the whole ball of wax and it consequences. The consequence of which, is making yourself a hypocrite. If all who support the beast are guilty, then all whole support the beast can be killed or murdered by those fighting the beast. If paying taxes and using FRN's is supporting the beast, then anyone engaging in those practices can be killed or murdered as well. Those who fight the beast on one hand, yet support it on the other, then have a duty (in being consistent) to terminate their own lives.
If you don't think you have to do that, then you are a hypocrite and you are being inconsistent to your own value system. Of course postmodernist will get around logical dilemma this using the magic word "pragmatic" and saying their moral condemnation does not apply to themselves, since they are enlightened enough to see the greater evil.
"Is post-modernism so devoid of any credibility..."
Again, I merely pointed to the fact that the particular point-of-view you were exposing had its origins in postmodern philosophy as a warning to you, not as a means to discredit postmodernism or the expression of any belief associated to postmodernism. In essence, be careful of the room you are preparing to enter, once inside, its your ground to defend.
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- Ellix -- Skinee, 14:34:45 11/07/09 Sat
Have another drink and snort
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- Hey, Green Teeth, -- ellix, 14:34:13 11/07/09 Sat
I still have almost all of mine-- (though lost a couple on the outskirts of Libby when Nor'wester caught up with me.)
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- gawd, but I have to get the low down on Dopee from -- ellix, 14:28:29 11/07/09 Sat
Caper. 10:1 you had green, mossy crowns on your implants, receding, inflamed gums-- and peed on the carpet.
(my apologies to you gentle voy denizens with weak stomachs)
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- Ellix -- Skinee, 14:25:36 11/07/09 Sat
Your so lacking in street smarts and common sense, you would make a great Canadian Liberal politician.
Cept your really not that dumb yet
Getting there though
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- - -- faloffal (), 14:21:47 11/07/09 Sat
2bro
nice find (Another/FOA) seekingalpha.com
interesting progression
gold 'important as an asset'
my ass. That gold 'went up in the air'
iow, 'asset' can mean different things to different people. What's our understanding of 'history', for instance?
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- Hey Ellix -- Skinee, 14:23:03 11/07/09 Sat
I just wish you had lived under the bridge with us guys years ago. I could just picture you trying to correct Squeeks language. He would have thrown your ass in the river..uh after he pissed on you. And if you would have tried that shit on me...I would have said...Heh Squeek, this dude here needs a bath.
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- and furthermore, -- ellix, 14:21:33 11/07/09 Sat
I sincerely believe that you thought that a tooth brush was to scratch your little, itty bitty balls and floss was an utter mystery.
Soon enough the gingivitis will loosen up your implants and you can shell out another 75k to put extensions on the screws.
(retards always have bad teeth)
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- JoeB - You didn't answer either of my questions. -- morbius (), 14:16:36 11/07/09 Sat
Am I responsible for the use that a robber makes of my stolen purse?
Just how far do you want to go with collective innocence?
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- JoeB - Let's examine your hidden premises -- morbius, 14:14:43 11/07/09 Sat
Is labeling an argument post-modern sufficient to dispel any potential consideration of its merit? Is post-modernism so devoid of any credibility that a post-modern argument (leaving aside for the moment the question of whether it has been correctly characterized) is, by that mere fact alone, invalid?
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- JoeB - Even if I DID pay federal taxes -- morbius -- JoeB, 14:13:51 11/07/09 Sat
Where does responsibility stop? If you pay into the beast (taxes and use of FRN's), then do you not facilitate the behavior of the beast? I find fault with your analogies. IMO, you are comparing apples to oranges.
Look, go have a party when members of the US armed services get killed or murdered, but don't assuage the moral relativism of your celebration by saying they had it coming, because they were part of the beast. 99.9% of Americans are guilty by a simple extension of that thinking. Just because you're a few degree always from the execution of policy, doesn't mean your hands aren't as sullied, if we use your perspective. Plan to do your part now and commit suicide?
I'm curious as to why so many here, think US citizens should be above the short coming for which all of humanity suffers? Are Americans really a superior class of human beings? I don't think so. This is a complex social dynamic that has been at work for centuries if not millenniums. The founders of this nation attempted to negate these political tendencies and social dynamics. They failed. My enemy is the state, not some buck private at the army base of your choosing.
For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong. - H.L. Mencken
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- Allow me to correct you're usage of your mother tongue, -- ellix, 14:13:33 11/07/09 Sat
Retarded One: "...the post 'by' Ellix". "Of Ellix" is... ah, forget it, anyone else but you understands.
(sic, Nor'wester)
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- Carmack -- Skinee, 14:13:27 11/07/09 Sat
100 minutes of satellite air time for the internet is $100.
I usually buy that and if I need more I spring for more.
Normally all I do is stock trading but just for you I will take a minute each day and give a run down. I will be gone only a week but I know Ellix will miss me
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- JoeB - Even if I DID pay federal taxes -- morbius (), 13:57:39 11/07/09 Sat
am I responsible for the use that a robber makes of my stolen purse?
Not let me turn your question around for you. Just how far do you want to go with collective innocence?
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- Skinnee -- Carmack, 14:08:13 11/07/09 Sat
"I am heading to Columbia and the islands a week from today"
Stop in to tell us about your trip as it progresses !
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- Skinee -- RIP, 14:06:45 11/07/09 Sat
Nah....I went to the OTB and advanced bet a few races.
I'll watch them at home.
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- Rip -- Skinee, 14:05:18 11/07/09 Sat
Are you going to go to Woodbine
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- US military demographics -- RIP, 14:04:18 11/07/09 Sat
....Only half of one percent of the military accepts the label “atheist” or “agnostic.” (Jews are even scarcer, accounting for only one servicemember in three hundred; Muslims are just one in four hundred.)
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- Skinee...yep, a beautiful November day -- RIP, 14:02:44 11/07/09 Sat
And the best horse racing day of the year.
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- Rip -- Skinee, 13:58:39 11/07/09 Sat
I see you are having great weather today.
It has finally cooled down here a bit in the south.
I am heading to Columbia and the islands a week from today
and should sneak in just behind that storm in the Gulf.
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- Attention Bugs -- Skinee, 13:55:18 11/07/09 Sat
Read that post of Ellix
It is a classic in Stupidity
It is a Voy history maker
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- Allahu Akbar! -- RIP, 13:54:09 11/07/09 Sat
Jesus killed Mohammed:
The crusade for a Christian military
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2009/05/0082488
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- OK, JoeB - Then who IS guilty? -- morbius -- JoeB (), 13:51:05 11/07/09 Sat
Do you pay any federal taxes? How far are you willing to go to lay guilt, blame or responcibility?
Matter-of-fact, let's go right to the heart of the beast. Do you use FRN's?
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- Oh my, you are just too dopee; -- ellix, 13:51:28 11/07/09 Sat
do you think that the connection will be obvious, witless? Who is going to take a flu shot if there are reports of mass deaths? Ah, except you of course.
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- OK, JoeB - Then who IS guilty? -- morbius (), 13:44:54 11/07/09 Sat
Only those that pull the trigger? In an ordinary criminal case, if a bunch of people plan, organize, finance and otherwise aid in the commission of a criminal act, they are all equally guilty whether or not they participated in the actual deed. Is this collective guilt? Is it post-modern to suggest that the person who engages the services of a paid assassin is equally guilty of any murders committed?
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- Voy -- Skinee, 13:39:00 11/07/09 Sat
The VOY nutbugs will not like that flu report.
I am still waiting for articles on all the mass deaths from taking flu shots.
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- stomping grounds of former Marxist -- 2bro2b (), 12:41:05 11/07/09 Sat
When Rupert Dickinson, the chief executive of one of Britain’s biggest property firms, left his BlackBerry behind in London while on a business trip to Ireland, he simply ordered one of his staff to get on a plane and deliver the device to him. For Dickinson’s then head of sustainability, Tim Nicholson, the errand was much more than an executive indulgence: it embodied the contempt with which his boss treated his deep philosophical beliefs about climate change. In a significant decision today , a judge found Nicholson’s views on the environment were so deeply held that they were entitled to the same protection as religious convictions, and ruled that an employment tribunal should hear his claim that he was sacked because of his beliefs.
In today's ruling, Mr Justice Michael Burton decided that: "A belief in man-made climate change, and the alleged resulting moral imperatives, is capable if genuinely held, of being a philosophical belief for the purpose of the 2003 Religion and Belief Regulations." Under those regulations it is unlawful to discriminate against a person on the grounds of their religious or philosophical beliefs.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/03/tim-nicholson-climate-change-belief
http://secularright.org/wordpress/?p=3220
Well at any rate, opiate of the people.
http://www.crichton-official.com/speech-environmentalismaseligion.html
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- -- -- Winston, 12:41:53 11/07/09 Sat
re: Ukraine
2% of the population has gotten ill in the space of only 10 days. Ukraine has reached 1 million cases in 10 days, while the US took 10 weeks to reach that number.
the daily increase in hospitalisation and deaths is rapidly climbing. Yesterday the increase in daily hospitalisations was 20% and today the increase is 37%, almost a doubling in day-to-day velocity. Yesterday the increase in deaths was 17% and today the increase is 42%, more than a doubling in day-to-day velocity.
http://pf11-trends-and-issues.blogspot.com/2009/11/ukraine-expected-to-surpass-1-million.html
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- Cop assaults on submit and comply "civilians". -- mudturtle, 12:33:37 11/07/09 Sat
Why The Innocent Flee From The Police
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/
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- the rise and fall of big ideas. -- JoeB, 12:22:45 11/07/09 Sat
bro,
interesting approach in monitoring the rise and fall of the big ideas. But, I wonder how it would compensate for big ideas that change their labels? In some circles, environmentalism has become the stomping grounds of former Marxist and this week on this forum we briefly debated the use and meaning of liberalism and/or liberal. So if the use of liberalism should drop, what exactly is meant by it, if the definition hasn't be agreed upon or is fluid? The same can be said for capitalism, how many different definitions exist for that word? And I'd wager the use of the word capitalism has risen since last year, given the proclamations of its demise by its opponents.
Nevertheless, quite an interesting and original essay and one that was fun to read, thanks.
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- SP500/POG -- mudturtle, 12:05:48 11/07/09 Sat
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$SPX:$GOLD&p=W&en=&id=p77374947954
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- Mikikis -- Skinee, 11:55:28 11/07/09 Sat
I was reading were fat people are getting the flu the worse.
My mother said during the plague of 1918 it was the fat people that died the most.
America has a real problem...they consider 60 pounds overweight normal
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- JoeB -- 2bro2b, 11:53:03 11/07/09 Sat
An interesting at least partially valid way to look at the rise and fall of big ideas.
http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2008/09/graphs-on-death-of-marxism.php
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- Read about cases a few weeks ago -- Mikikis -- Carmack, 11:33:03 11/07/09 Sat
A case was reported this week in NS where a ferret contracted H1N1 from its teenage owner ! Pet was taken to a vet where it was confirmed !
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- Post modernism + Collective Guilt -- 2bro2b, 11:30:32 11/07/09 Sat
I think the Achille's heel was no truths. Well, ok, case closed.
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- First cases of flu arriving in these parts -- Mikikis (), 11:11:05 11/07/09 Sat
Apparently the people getting the most sick at this time, according to reports....are alcoholics and cig smokers.....I'm sure that Smythe and Mozel will have a reason why that is not true....it is a conspiracy against the smokers dammit!
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- Post modernism + Collective Guilt -- 2bro2b -- JoeB, 11:22:13 11/07/09 Sat
Interesting read, thanks.
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- Read about cases a few weeks ago -- Mikikis (), 11:15:00 11/07/09 Sat
In El Salvador of people having Dengue and swine flu simultaneously. I can only imagine how uncomfortable that experience must be.
29K cases of Dengue so far in Mexico this year...up about 5% from last year. I got a really bad case of it a few years ago....of course that only gives me immunity to 1 out of the 4 strains of the virus.
Looks like this year is the 'sick' year......been talking with doctors who are already tired....will see how they look in 3 months....
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- morbius - your pic -- Mikikis, 11:09:31 11/07/09 Sat
Good shock value...learning from the media how to catch attention are ya? hehe
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- bw - protocol -- Mikikis, 11:08:13 11/07/09 Sat
Surprised you forgot elderberry, which probably works better than most of your list....you should include it (especially if you are already including cytokine producers like echinacea....).
Sambu Guard is what's I've got stocked here....Elderberry plant+flower extract (high dose) with Vit. C and Echinacea...made in Switzerland....
http://www.mysimon.com/prices/flora-dr.-dunner-sambu-guard-5.9-fl-oz-175-ml?utm_source=YPI
One board member already used an elderberry extract to treat their own swine flu...cannot remember who it was....
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- Post modernism + Collective Guilt -- 2bro2b, 10:55:52 11/07/09 Sat
http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2009/11/demystifying-social-knowledge.html#tpe-action-posted-6a00d83451b33869e201287560cf56970c
Pomobabble peaked and is in decline, but not a good short. Curiously, demand is dropping faster than supply. Too early for rationality much as one yearns to long it.
Though endangered and nearly extinct demand remains anemic,
threatening that the remaining carriers will be unable to find one another for mating.
http://www.gifbin.com/bin/092009/1252075516_Invasion_of_the_Body_Snatchers.gif
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- Obomba OWNS the disaster of the economy......and the danger of shittalking.... -- AZAU (), 10:39:03 11/07/09 Sat
"But since the start of the recession in December 2007, 7.3 million Americans have lost their jobs and key sectors -- construction, manufacturing and retail trade -- are still seeing significant declines.
The president has not been helped by reports of flaws in the administration's count of jobs created by the $787 billion stimulus.
Ten months into the job, Obama did not even try to lay the blame for the economy at Bush's feet, as he has in the past. His only criticism was implied.
"When we first came into office, our immediate goal was to stop the free fall that caused our economy to shrink at an alarming rate," he said. "We've succeeded in achieving that goal, as our economy grew last quarter for the first time in a year."
But Obama has already taken ownership of the economy.
Republicans, he noted wryly during a July speech in Michigan, were eager to blame him for the economy.
"That's fine," he added, "Give it to me!"
Four months later, it would be hard to give it back.
______________________________________
REAL unemployment is more like 22% and climbing.
Bullshit aside.
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- Hell , b_w @ protocol -- nogtans, 10:37:30 11/07/09 Sat
do you never take a break from being healthy?
(please forward your pill swallowing schedule-should be utterly fascinating)
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- Cognitive Dissonance.......multiculturalism......etc. -- AZAU, 10:34:19 11/07/09 Sat
Not a good portent for the future of humanity on earth. Too many contradictions.
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- Plague/Viral Pneumonia Protocol -- b_w, 10:26:47 11/07/09 Sat
Self Treatment
Note we do NOT recommend you treat yourself. HOWEVER you may have little choice in a pandemic situation where medical facilities may become overrun so IMO it is a good idea to know your options.
Lets assume going to the hospital or doctor is not an option and you suspect you may have been exposed to either pneumonic plague or viral pneumonia.
Immediate Action
Colloidal Silver: Taken directly into the lungs with a nebulizer seems to be the ticket for pneumonic plague or viral pneumonia.
Vitamin A: 400,000 IU/day taken with fat
Vitamin C: 1 gram/hour
Vitamin D: 150,000 IU/day taken with fat for three to seven days if required
Garlic: One crushed clove/hour taken with fat
Iodine: 50 mg/day
Olive Leaf Extract: 1 gram/hour
Echinacea: 500 mg/hour
These amounts may seem high but I can assure they are not normally harmful. When you body is fighting for its life it will burn anything it can use to fight in vast amounts. If you are in a life and death situation I would go heavy from minute one and not play around with lesser doses. Note you must have this material on hand BEFORE you may need it.
http://www.healthyprotocols.com/2_Plague.htm
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- G20 Bullshit.............. -- AZAU, 10:23:20 11/07/09 Sat
Britain urges steps to insure financial system
Britain calls for steps on insuring global financial system, action now on climate financing
* By Jane Wardell, AP Business Writer
* On 10:01 am EST, Saturday November 7, 2009
ST. ANDREWS, Scotland (AP) -- Britain called for consideration of a global tax on financial transactions to insure against another crisis, and urged world finance officials meeting Saturday in Scotland to agree on bearing the cost of fighting climate change.
British Prime Minister Gordon Brown told finance ministers from the Group of 20 rich and developing countries it was time to consider a global financial levy, such as a tax on transactions or an insurance fee, that could support a "resolution fund" that could serve as a buffer against future bailouts.
In its last meeting as chair of the Group of 20 before South Korea takes over next year, Britain is attempting to push through discussion of issues it views as critical to future world economic growth.
Brown superseded his Treasury chief Alistair Darling to address officials directly, saying it was time to consider whether banks needed "a better economic and social contract" that reflected their responsibilities to society.
But he said Britain would not act alone in imposing any tax, and that any measures must be implemented by all major financial centers. Britain, the U.S., Germany and other countries have spent hundreds of billions of dollars in taxpayer money to rescue financial companies that suffered heavy losses from risky investments.
Brown's comments bolster earlier calls from former German Finance Minister Peer Steinbrueck for a global tax on all cross-border financial transactions.
Critics argue that measures such as the so-called Tobin tax -- a flat tax on currency transactions named after the Nobel Prize laureate James Tobin -- would just dry up world financial flows. Supporters suggest the money could be used to protect countries from spillovers of financial crises.
The money could also be used to assist poorer countries in the battle against climate change -- another issue being pushed by Britain at the gathering in the university and golfing town of St. Andrews in northeast Scotland.
Darling urged the officials to reach an agreement on bearing the cost of fighting climate change before a UN summit on global warming next month.
Darling said officials need to agree on a finance package to help poorer nations develop green industries and adapt to climate change.
"I think that it really is imperative that when we reach the end of the day, that we have shown that we have made some real progress in dealing with what is a very real and urgent problem now," Darling said. "We will do everything that we can to reach that agreement in advance of the Copenhagen meeting."
There have been disagreements about which forum was the most appropriate place to discuss funding to fight climate change.
The push to put it on the agenda here reflects concern that nations will fail to agree in Copenhagen on Dec. 6 on a successor to the Kyoto treaty limiting carbon emissions.
"It really is important ... that we as finance ministers are engaged in this, because if there isn't an agreement on finance ... then the Copenhagen agreement is going to be much much more difficult," he said. The G-20 represents around 90 percent of the world's wealth, 80 percent of world trade, and two-thirds of the world's population.
The EU has said that there should be a euro100 billion annual package of public and private finance by 2020 and has urged the U.S. to lay out its position.
But the Obama administration has been preoccupied with prickly domestic issues such as healthcare.
Danish Prime Minister Lars Loekke Rasmussen said it was now "obvious" that the December climate change talks "can't achieve the final result in terms of the new legally binding treaty which goes into all details."
But he said finance ministers held the key to a final deal, urging them to come up with concrete proposals on funding to help developing nations tackle and cope with a warming climate.
In a speech to the G-20 meeting, he called on officials to set up a global climate fund that "should be ready to work immediately." He also asked them to keep an open mind on raising funds from new areas such as a global cap-and-trade program for air and sea travel.
The climate issue has been the focus of protests around St. Andrews. A small group of protesters blocked the coastal road Friday night between the town and the nearby resort where the meeting was held by chaining themselves together. On Saturday around 200 demonstrators gathered at West Sands beach on Saturday with a group dressed as bankers sticking their heads in the sand.
There are also divisions among officials over attempts to secure future global growth.
Host country Britain, still mired in recession, is keen to continued international effort to support a still fledging recovery, while other G-20 nations, including the United States, Japan and Germany, want to debate ending measures to boost growth.
The finance ministers and central bankers are trying to find a way to make good on a pledge by world leaders at their September summit in Pittsburgh to subject their economic policies to the scrutiny of a peer review. That process would determine whether each country's efforts were "collectively consistent" with sustainable global growth.
The goal is to avoid repeating problems like huge trade deficits and credit-fueled consumption in the U.S., and massive trade surpluses and savings in China and elsewhere. China's appetite to fund U.S. debt by buying Treasuries was seen as playing a major role in fueling the U.S. housing boom and subsequent collapse.
The G-20 is comprised of Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Britain, Canada, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, South Korea, Turkey, the United States and the rotating EU presidency.
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Transaction Tax, so they can "redistribute the funds" ?
What a joke. Fraud and more empty cookie jars.
when will they ever learn?
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- Valuing gold independent of fiat currencies -- Dabchyk, 10:00:08 11/07/09 Sat
Dabchick Gold Index figures [London trade. ( Basis : Jan 1982 = 100 )] for the past week:-
High - 198.2 Low - 195.3 Close - 196.0 for the week ending 06 Nov 2009
To see the updated charts of the index, go here
http://www.sharelynx.com/chartstemp/Dabchick.php
and click on the "Weekly Chart" and/or "Monthly Chart" links...
NB The index is a ratio of the change in the Real Value of Gold relative to what it was in January 1982. The calculation has incorporated the real value of the USD's trade-weighted index (the inflation-adjusted $TWI). This enables the index to show the real changes in gold's value since 1982, regardless of fiat currencies, by discounting the unreal price-raising effects which governments can cause to the fiat price of anything by the debasement of their fiat currencies.
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- RT’s Washington DC correspondent. -- doran, 09:58:48 11/07/09 Sat
While she often interviews those of great political clout, Alyona also enjoys giving a voice to those ignored by the mainstream media.
http://www.russiatoday.ru/About_Us/On_Air_Talent/alyona-minkovski.html
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- Hmmmm ......Ukraine official says poll may be delayed by H1N1 -- doran, 09:52:53 11/07/09 Sat
With public support at 5 percent or lower, Yushchenko is unlikely to win re-election. Tymoshenko and Viktor Yanukovich -- a former premier who was also the main loser in the Orange Revolution -- are both front-runners now.
http://www.reuters.com/article/africaCrisis/idUSL695938
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- Every tooth in my head is a implant- Skinee -- nogtans, 08:40:04 11/07/09 Sat
Hey Skinnyman!
earning some bucks on the sly in Springbokland?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az8zMi0ATt0
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- Democrat gets warning from White House for appearing on Fox News -- Skinee, 08:05:10 11/07/09 Sat
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox7-2009nov07,0,7720786.story?track=rss
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- Nuclearson -- Skinee, 08:00:08 11/07/09 Sat
Every tooth in my head is a implant, $75000. worth of them.
The nuttbugs are saying those are going to kill me also.
But they will not.
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- minsite on the imf sale -- mugwump, 07:49:00 11/07/09 Sat
The IMF wants to sell this gold as quickly as possible rather than in dribs and drabs over an extended period of time via the separate Central Bank Gold Agreement, which was extended in August this year for another five years. Led by the European Central Bank, there were 18 countries which signed up to it this time around, but like the IMF itself, this agreement seems to be moving past its sell-by date. When introduced in 1999 it played a valuable role in controlling the gold market as central banks were queuing up to get out of gold after a bear market which had lasted for the best part of 20 years. As Matthew Keen, a director of Deutsche Bank, points out in an article in the London Bullion Market Association’s publication Alchemist, they got their timing badly wrong. “The irony is that the period between 1999 and 2005, which saw more official gold sector sales than at any other time in history, also marked the start of the bull run which is still going strong.”
If India can hand over US$6.7 billion in the blink of an eye to buy 200 tonnes of gold at an effective price of US$1,045 per ounce, the big question is whether any controls are now needed in the gold market. If India does not want the second tranche, China will grab it, as gold accounts for less than two per cent of its reserves, according to published information. And if China doesn’t it’ll be Japan, or Viet Nam (another kick up the backside for the US), or Russia or Saudi Arabia. China and Russia are gold producers and may buy their own production, but this does not lessen the case. The point is that gold does not lack for buyers and India’s purchase has reminded Europe’s central bankers that they might be best advised to hang on to their gold reserves.
Interestingly, India was not considered the most likely country to buy any IMF gold when the sale started. Another central bank was in the frame and John Meyer of stockbrokers Fairfax thinks it is still interested in buying the second slice. As a result he reported on Wednesday that London Bullion Market Association delegates had become bullish on the gold price, expecting it to be US$1,181 per ounce in 12 months time. Not too difficult to make that assumption in current conditions, and they are, after all, the experts. So let’s take a look back at what they were forecasting for gold at the beginning of the year. On the other hand, let’s not - it’s too painful, and John Reade of UBS would have to hang his head in shame for his pessimistic targets.
Let us end with a game of ‘just suppose’. Just suppose that the US, after the disaster imposed on its finances by greedy bankers, is tempted to release some of its gold reserves, reckoned by the WGC to total 8,134 tonnes. There is no way it could do that without actually confirming how many tonnes of gold are held in Fort Knox. For a long time now the Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee has been trying to get this information from the Fed, but to no avail. Lack of information inevitably leads to conspiracy theories and the popular one is that the US Treasury may have already sold this gold. How would it explain that, and what would such a revelation do for the price of gold? Answers on a postcard please.
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- -- -- Winston, 07:46:31 11/07/09 Sat
The UK lab that analyzes the Ukraine virus sequences is witholding their results.
Withheld Ukraine Sequences Raise Pandemic Concerns
The Mill Hill lab has acknowledged that they have at least 15 H1N1 positive samples from Ukraine, which would identify a Ukranian specific change. The delay in the announcement of sequence results raises concerns that such changes have been detected, and such changes are undergoing further analysis. http://www.recombinomics.com/News/11070901/Ukraine_Seq_NOT.html
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- Watch the mercury fumes coming off a 25 year old amalgam filling! -- Nuclearson, 07:37:57 11/07/09 Sat
Cool!
http://www.youtube.com/user/davidkennedydds#p/u/15/9ylnQ-T7oiA
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- premier deal with goldcorp -- mugwump, 07:27:50 11/07/09 Sat
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Premier-Red-Lake-Joint-cnw-1136671923.html?x=0&.v=1
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- Dope Inc -- Smythe, 07:23:48 11/07/09 Sat
One reason is the fact that the global financial system is imploding under its own cancerous weight, and Dope, Inc. is moving in to take over the entire world economy. On Jan. 28, Lyndon LaRouche warned: "This is Doomsday Time. The world's available money supply is tied largely to the attempted bailout of financial institutions, and you've got a shortage of money, of any kind of credit, building up rapidly into catastrophic levels in every other area. Now, the argument is that you have to be good to the drug pushers, because they are the only ones who are supplying the loose cash with this situation presently, in which the world money supply is collapsing and the drug supply of money is increasing."
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2009/3608dope_inc.html
He got that correct. Can't get my head around the legalization/prohibition issue.
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- Fishberger, Fishberger, Fishberger & Fryes Full Employment Act -- 2bro2b, 07:20:33 11/07/09 Sat
http://www.oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2009/11/sea_lion_numbers_fall_appetite.html
alternate plan--
Couple boxes 30-30 shells.
Cost: $40
Time elapsed: half an hour
Current plan: umpteen years of umpteen millions of helicopter lifts, fiberglass killer whales, underwater noisemakers, funding Lawyer Full Employment Act, further studying of studies of studies of studies of studies of studies of studies...
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- capital gold revenue up 27% -- mugwump, 07:15:53 11/07/09 Sat
this baby won't be under $1 for long
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Capital-Gold-Announces-a-27-prnews-707452556.html?x=0&.v=1
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- Post modernism + Collective Guilt -- JoeB, 07:12:38 11/07/09 Sat
William Grigg:
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2009/06/tragedy-and-farce-of-collective-guilt.html
The Attack on History
http://www.umass.edu/wsp/methodology/difficulties/attack.html
There exist plenty more websites discussing the ethics of postmodern philosophy in the context of collective guilt, should I post them as well? If you folks are going to espouse an idea, please understand its origins and the consequences of implicitly promoting the underlying philosophy. Postmodernism, as a philosophy, is the antithesis of the philosophy that (supposed) gold bugs and libertarians supposedly embrace. Postmodernism, is the philosophy of collectivists and authoritarians.
And if anyone here thinks I approve, give consent or applaud the actions of the US government in the ME (Iraq specifically), then they are devoid of both reason and any semblance of cognitive ability. They place their biased template before objective analysis. Which is the analytical modus operandi of the collectivists and authoritarians.
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- Britain Plc Bust -- Smythe, 07:08:37 11/07/09 Sat
Meanwhile, the overall debt, which stood at barely £500 billion when Brown became prime minister, is set to surge well over £1 trillion. And these are just the Treasury's most optimistic estimates.
True debt figure, as a brilliant paper for the Centre for Policy Studies by Brooks Newmark showed last month, is far, far worse and stands at more than £2trillion.
These figures are unsustainable and have to be tackled now if national bankruptcy is to be avoided. Yet, shamefully, Brown has failed to take any action to deal with this crisis. Shockingly, government officials leaked information to some newspapers last week saying that the autumn pre-budget report due to be published next month will not be a much-needed austerity package, but will include plans to spend more money.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/columnists/article-1225902/You-doomed-Mr-Brown-stop-dragging-too.html#comments
He will take the country down , standing on the bridge shouting "fiscal stimulus !" as he slips beneath the waves.
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- hoovering up the bezzle -- 2bro2b, 05:49:30 11/07/09 Sat
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- hiya wiffo .. -- Delta-au, 05:25:34 11/07/09 Sat
I'm just takin' a 5 minute break from a party @ home ..
good to hear yer surviving in the jungle ..
as far as I'm concerned ..
Spears is a symptom ..
you know the rest ..
Be good ..
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- flu shot victim Desiree Jennings cured.... -- siempre33 (), 02:26:50 11/07/09 Sat
of "untreatable" neurological disorder....
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/113532
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- @ Ukraine ... Looks Like It must Be Watched Very Closely ... -- MoreGold, 03:09:26 11/07/09 Sat
It may indicate how bad it will get elsewhere.
Ukraine’s Health Ministry on Nov. 6 said the death toll of patients with flu-related and acute respiratory illnesses (ARI) had jumped to 135, with the total number of registered cases increasing to 871, 037 over from Oct. 29.
That’s 40 more deaths and 237, 160 more cases than the Heath Ministry reported a day earlier.
While the total number of flu-related and acute respiratory illnesses is on par with previous years, the number of cases registered daily has since mid-October exceeded the epidemic threshold, leading flu specialists in Ukraine and abroad to sound the alarm bells.
Several thousand people in Ukraine die each year from acute respiratory illnesses (ARI), including flu-related ones. For the first nine months of 2009, for instance, 3, 822 people died from flu and ARI. But the spike in deaths in the last month has raised fears that the number of victims during this flu season could grow much higher.
Ihor Pokanevych, head of the WHO office in Kyiv, told Deutsche Welle on Nov. 5 that health authorities are watching to see if the seasonal strains of the flu and the swine flu will mutate into more virulent form of virus. Ukraine has become a test case of sorts.
“The outbreak in Ukraine may be indicative of how the virus can behave in the northern hemisphere during the winter season, particularly in health care settings typically found in Eastern Europe,” Pokanevych added.
http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/52114/
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- Delta re B. Spears -- WIFFO, 02:20:54 11/07/09 Sat
she never had any class and now wants a free lunch. Can't even be bothered doing an honest show. She would well suited to a seat on the board of Bank Ali Babba.
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- Gidsek -- siempre33 (), 02:16:35 11/07/09 Sat
apparently "collateral damage" is acceptable
if the main objective is achieved....
China's money....most likely Gold....
read man!!!
all the other crap is diversionary
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- mudturtle -- WIFFO, 02:13:51 11/07/09 Sat
1. open and accountable is essntial
It is no suprise that Ron Pauls legislation to this effectis being gutted by the bums in congress, it realy makes you wonder if they are paid and bought by the banks. There must be more discussion on this vital issue, by the mainstream.
2. fixed low interest rates would remove volatility in the economy and provide certainty and great stimulus. It may even make USA a manufacturing nation again. Certainly help to get jobs back.
3. Buffet got it right the first time..." financial derivatives are weapons of mass destruction".......haven't we just witnessed that ?
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- Fort Hood -- Gidsek, 01:51:38 11/07/09 Sat
Nothing new here, nothing to get PC about ...
muslim smuslim ... people blow a chip and off a bunch of other people all the time. It's the American way, particularly in blue states since guns are more acceptable. It happens every other week so what can be learned by dissecting the offenders characteristics and attitudes? There's always particulars and details about the shooter naturally but they don't have anything to do with anything. Statistically the sicker our country gets the more people are going to lose their sanity and pull shit like this, they will be white, brown, red and yellow, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Atheist blah blah none of that stuff makes any difference.
gidsek
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- He was "protected and served": -- morbius, 01:49:41 11/07/09 Sat
San Jose resident Joseph Ballard bleeds into the sidewalk outside a nightclub after being tased by the police, who say that his injury was the result of a "fall."
http://www.lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w115.html
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- actually .. -- Delta-au (), 20:03:08 11/06/09 Fri
rip lip-syncs too ..
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- brit speared .. -- Delta-au, 01:46:26 11/07/09 Sat
Angry fans have marched out of Britney Spears' debut Australian concert in front of 17,000 fans at Perth last night. "We are really big Britney fans but it was crap," one fan, Josh Blee, was quoted as saying. "I thought after the music awards she would make up for it with a wicked concert, but she has let us down," he said.
Fans complained about Spears's lip-synching and her lack of interaction with the audience.
Some felt let down that giant screens above the stage featured circus imagery rather than close-ups of the singer live in action.
The walk-outs come a day after one politician said Spears should be forced to alert fans if she intended to MIME throughout her shows. Spears will perform 14 more concerts in Australia this month, with Melbourne next on her itinerary, followed by Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide.
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- Fort Hood :: the Real Story... -- siempre33, 01:09:30 11/07/09 Sat
not the one you read about or see in the MSM...
http://www.worldreports.org/news
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- Gerald Celente's latest forecast....Obamageddon -- siempre33, 01:07:27 11/07/09 Sat
and a tribute to Christopher Story for uncovering
the truth about derivatives and much, much more...
http://siliconinvestor.advfn.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=26052431&srchtxt=Bush
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- -- crazytimes (), 23:40:50 11/06/09 Fri
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- Gila -- morbius, 00:36:17 11/07/09 Sat
I jumped the fallout shelter
I jumped a string bean
I jumped a TV dinner
I jumped a shotgun....
Now, the man on the stand he wants my vote,
He's a-runnin' for office on the ballot note.
He's out there preachin' in front of the steeple,
Tellin' me he loves all kinds-a people.
(He's eatin' bagels
He's eatin' pizza
He's eatin' chitlins)
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Actually azAU -- Gila_Bob, 00:28:55 11/07/09 Sat
Friend:
RR cAU$ed the Unemploy-mint which peaked @ 10.8% in 1982.
GOLD peaked in 1980.
He got U$ out by Increasing the National Debt from $930.21 Billion
To $2,666 Billion ($2.666 Trillion) in 8 Short Years
NEVER vetoed a Budget Bill.........Not 0ne
It was mostly white-bread Welfare.......DOD Budgets
That would be an Increase of 266% -- almost a TRIPLE.
I'm sure you were protesting vigorously.........LOL
Big Bob
(Lots of pholks here decry the Unemploy-mint Rate
When
If any of thee afflicted needed shelter on their Porch
They would sh00t Them
Cr0c0dile$ Cry Harder....)
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- . -- morbius (), 23:09:46 11/06/09 Fri
-0-
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- Pyrite, you are so archaic. -- mudturtle, 23:48:31 11/06/09 Fri
Certificates don't have any of the fancy features that you ascribe to them, and haven't had them for decades.
The only stock cert that I have that is like that is one from EJ's iTulip.com It was always worthless, and meant to be, but it is framed and on my wall.
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- WIFFO -- mudturtle, 23:41:09 11/06/09 Fri
think that one through again. It needs some work.
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- "Isn't labeling an opinion 'post modern' a kind of ad hominem" -- johnny, 23:23:25 11/06/09 Fri
yes .. its part of joeb's bent style .. I see he feels the
iraq invasion was a flaming success. He gets tiresome imo
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- A variation on "Thanks For Sharing Your Thoughts". -- mudturtle (always write to your "representatives"), 23:20:45 11/06/09 Fri
Please be assured I will keep your thoughts in mind as the Senate considers monetary policy issues. Again, thank you for contacting me and please feel free to do so again in the future.
Sincerely,
Herb Kohl
United States Senator
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- Gila....1980 was a depression. -- AZAU, 23:19:45 11/06/09 Fri
Ronnie Ray-Gun pulled us out of that depression with Full Scale Star Wars waged on the Broke Soviet.
Now, you remember, eh?
always the war solution.
always the "spending on war" recovery.
Don't get me started, you know it as well as I. At least there was an adult for Fed Head, Paul Volcker, who ministered the needed bitter medicine of high interest Rates. Remember 800 Gold?
Hah!
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- I got two of them irradiated dimes. -- Pyrite, 23:18:02 11/06/09 Fri
I tape em on the gas tank of each car and get much better mileage.
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- The solution to vampire banksterism is simple. -- WIFFO, 23:17:26 11/06/09 Fri
legislate for open and accountable banking with strict controls and harsh penalties for non disclosure. Interest rates to be set at one percent for savings and one and a quarter percent for loans. No variable interest rates. Terms for loans to be backed by an agreed security.
Abolition of financial derivatives, with a penalty of life imprisonment for non compliance.
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- fort hood -- johnny, 23:16:13 11/06/09 Fri
in the second world war .. amercan born Japanese were
only used in europe .. never in the pacific. The army
must have been smarter and more sensitive then.
Joeb's prissy rightious comments miss the point... of
course its wrong to shoot fellow soldiers .. the question
is why did he do it and could it have been avoided.
Would the US army use Jews in an operation against
Israel ?? good luck
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- Is it a good idea to have stock certs in your possession--mudturtle -- Pyrite, 23:13:31 11/06/09 Fri
Yes. The superb engraving and majesty of the fonts may convince a really dumb guy with a carp to give it to you in exchange.
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- s0 azAU -- Gila_Bob, 23:13:13 11/06/09 Fri
Friend:
Were wee inn a Depre$$ion in 1980??????????????
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/UNRATE?rid=50&soid=22
Big Bob
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- Freddie Mac....how long can this ponzi scheme continue to pose as a "business?" -- AZAU (), 22:57:52 11/06/09 Fri
Freddie Mac's quarterly loss works out to $1.94 per share and includes $1.3 billion in dividends paid to the Treasury Department. It compares with a loss of $25.3 billion, or $19.44 per share, in the year-ago period.
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Now trading at 1.23.
Why the hell not ZERO?
Beats the Sh*t out of me!
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- Great news for the stock markets -- mudturtle (bank failure Friday's deceased), 22:51:29 11/06/09 Fri
116. United Security Bank, Sparta, GA; Assets: $157 million. Loss to FDIC: $58 million (est.)
117. Home Federal Savings Bank, Detroit, Michigan; Assets: $14.9 million. Loss to FDIC: $5.4 million (est.)
118. Prosperan Bank, Oakdale, MN; Assets: $199.5 million. Loss to FDIC: $60.1 million (est.)
119. Gateway Bank of St. Louis, St. Louis, MO; Assets: $27.7 million. Loss to FDIC: $9.2 million (est.)
120. United Commercial Bank, San Francisco, CA; Assets: $11.2 billion. Loss to FDIC $1.4 billion (est.)
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The loss ratio for the FDIC from top to bottom:
37%
36.2%
30.1%
33.2%
12.5% only, and an outlier.
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The average loss ratio is 34.125% for the first four. Including the much larger bank give a simple ratio of 29.7%. If you think that financial weighting will do some good, then look at the loss ratios of some of the comparables to the last in the past two months.
Does FDIC wait until the losses breach 30% to close these things? Would the loss ratio have been below 10% if they shut them down a year ago? Or, was the loss ratio so baked into the cake that they didn't bother shutting them down because the new bank buyer of this poisonous junk would have been next on the list as the busteds?
Anyone that has a 1% CD with their bank should just walk from their unsecured loan to the bank and take cash and leave the scene. FDIC is broke and now must rely on naked binary digit creation to retain any notional value to their savings.
Is it a good idea to have stock certs in your possession if you are going to hold IAG or whatever suits your fancy?
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- consumers...i.e., borrowers, are done, all in, either broke or frightened to death... -- AZAU, 22:47:12 11/06/09 Fri
...And wouldn't you be if the govt helped the banksters screw you?
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Consumer borrowing drops by $14.8 billion in September, record 8th straight decline
* By Martin Crutsinger, AP Economics Writer
* On 7:38 pm EST, Friday November 6, 2009
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Consumers borrowed less for a record eighth straight month in September amid rising unemployment and tight credit conditions. Economists worry the declines in borrowing will drag on the fledgling recovery.
AP - FILE - In this March 27, 2009 file photo, the Federal Reserve Building on Constitution Avenue in Washington. ...
The Federal Reserve said Friday that borrowing fell at an annual rate of $14.8 billion in September. That's the biggest decline since July and was larger than the $10 billion drop economists expected.
Americans are borrowing less as they try to repair cracked nest eggs and replenish rainy day funds in a dismal jobs market. Many are finding it hard to get credit as banks, hit by the worst financial crisis in decades, have tightened lending standards.
Borrowing by consumers for revolving credit, including credit cards, fell at an annual rate of 13.3 percent in September, the same as August. This category has declined for a record 12 straight months.
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starve the fecking banksters out!
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- People must not be drawn in again to these monstrous banksters -- AZAU, 22:39:48 11/06/09 Fri
that have taken control of everything.
Let the whole fecking thing collapse, and everyone but the banksters will be the better for it!
Starve out the Vampires!
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- The feckhead banksters don't get it...that their days are numbered for -- AZAU, 22:37:26 11/06/09 Fri
destroying economies and lives....
Just say NO to debt!
NYET!
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- Denninger is right about the credit collapse..... -- AZAU, 22:35:36 11/06/09 Fri
"We are a credit-based system, as are all modern monetary systems. No meaningful economic recovery can or will occur until the consumer has purged his balance sheet of the inappropriate debt he has and is once again able to earn and borrow.
If we supposedly exited the recession on or before September, it sure isn't apparent in this report. You can put a fork in that line of garbage - it's done.
PS: The next update of the Z1, due out in a couple of months, should be interesting..... especially the "Ponzi Finance" indicator...."
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ERGO:
people are fighting back by starving out the scumsucking banksters that depend on the blood of their victims.
good on yer!
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- Depression == Unemployment over 10% ............... -- AZAU, 22:31:34 11/06/09 Fri
no further obfuscation is necessary.
all that remains to argue is "minor" depression or "great depression".
feck the ptb for trying to deceive everyone, whilst bailing out their own.
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- He attacked the enemy of Muslims everywhere - morbius -- JoeB, 21:58:30 11/06/09 Fri
There's reasons and there's excuses, in this case, there's no excuse. Its a volunteer army, you place your bets and you take your chances. Back in HS, I was in Jr. Air Force ROTC and at sixteen I knew if I signed onto the armed forces, I was signing over my life to the military. How old was this college educated Islamic shrink?
Puleease.
Also, I don't sign-on to the post modernist concept of collective guilt, do you? We know RIP does, you with him?
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- IOZ again...just for Joe -- RIP -- JoeB, 21:53:09 11/06/09 Fri
IOZ is as morally bankrupt as the people he hates. Since your his biggest ass kisser, the same applies to you.
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- Mikikis, latest Martin Armstrong -- JoeB, 21:50:44 11/06/09 Fri
http://www.scribd.com/doc/21767800/Is-America-On-The-Verge-Of-Another-Bank-War-Should-We-End-The-Fed-Or-Goldman-Sachs
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- Who Files for Bankruptcies? -- Forestgold, 21:44:43 11/06/09 Fri
http://paul.kedrosky.com/archives/2009/11/who_files_for_b.html
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- Vet, you have that right. -- mudturtle, 21:44:35 11/06/09 Fri
"Floating currency and regulated interest rates creates the huge swings that the Aussie dollar is regularily subjected to, and the cause is entirely due to the RBA failure to appreciate the ultimate effect of their own actions."
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A hard money system would necessarily have leveled the peaks and valleys of a fiat floater "system".
Economy wrecking "capital" flows would never change as rapidly as they do now with fiat currencies that operate on the whim of the moment.
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- financial terrizm from our betters. -- mudturtle (explains how they get away with it), 21:37:32 11/06/09 Fri
Fear turns people into sheep. Once they are sheep, they will strive mightily to justify the actions of their "leaders" - whether those leaders gave trillions of dollars in bailouts or got us into war, and even if the leaders' justifications were false.
I believe this dynamic is also playing out in the fact that many Americans assume that the government has a real plan for fixing the economy, is working as hard as it can to do so, and that - eventually - things will improve.
Just as most Americans believe "since we're at war in Iraq, and since the government previously claimed that Saddam was behind 9/11, he must have been", they are probably thinking "since the government gave trillions to the giant banks and said that economists have figure out how to fix things, they must have done what was needed, and things will turn around in a v-shape recovery".
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/investor-psychology-fear-turns-people-sheep
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- credit deflation -- Miniminer, 21:32:55 11/06/09 Fri
The trend for consumer credit looks clear to me regardless of all the new 'stimulus' schemes and bailouts.....consumer credit has now contracted for 14 straight months and todays report shows the y/y contraction rate has spiraled deeper at -7.6%
The only way the economy continues is to have credit expansion---without it, the card house crumbles.
this system is doomed!!! cut losses now!!!
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- Howcum?? -- Gila_Bob, 21:31:37 11/06/09 Fri
Friends:
$SSEC didn't CRASH 2.5% after bein' led down by $INDU on LA$T Fly-Day?????????
And how many of u Turkey$ were BUYin' on Fly-Day in the LA$T HOUR like Mois???????
Wait................Don't Answer..............
These questions are ENTIRELY off the subject Matter
Of this AUgU$t Body..............
Well...............................
Back to yer regularly scheduled Diatribe$
LOL
Big Bob
(Here's the CHART for the Who Leads What Drivel:
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$INDU&p=D&st=2009-10-12&id=p52870173333
and
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$SSEC&p=D&st=2009-10-12&id=p52870173333
and the Clincher:
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$INDU:$SSEC&p=D&yr=3&mn=0&dy=0&id=p52870173333
Prior to this the LOW in the Ratio Range was approx. 5.75:1
U guys better H0pe the g00-r00 from Guelph
Will cover yer l0$$e$..........
M0RE L0L)
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- We're Number 37 -- moonshot, 21:28:10 11/06/09 Fri
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVgOl3cETb4&feature=player_embedded
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- -- -- Winston, 21:27:09 11/06/09 Fri
Reported Cases in Ukraine Double Again To 871,037
[in around 48 hours]
http://www.recombinomics.com/News/11060901/Ukraine_4X.html
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- POG has already rolled over the top in Aussie dollars.. -- The_Vet (), 20:26:56 11/06/09 Fri
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$GOLD:$XAD&p=D&yr=0&mn=3&dy=0&id=p21454154610
Of course the AUD is the subject of substantial inflows of carry trade cash which boosts the currency, stock market and other assets and that is amplified by the Reserve Bank of Australia's insistence to keep raising rates...
When the carry trade reverses (as it always does) the rush out of everything Aussie denominated and the AUD will be a short sellers dream! The problem with any country that raises rates when it isn't a basket case is that when the carry trade stops the outflow affects both the asset prices and the currency and the waterfall feeds on itself.
Initially, the inflow of "hot money" in response to higher yields, higher asset prices and an appreciating currency (offshore carry trade investors make gains in all three) completely negates the action of the RBA which raises rates "to combat inflation" because the carry trade increases the cash inflows which of course increases not decreases inflationary pressures.
For a small, politically stable economy, interest rate interference by the central bank is entirely ineffective and in fact is contraindicated. If they let the currency float (which is already the case) and allowed the interest rate to be set by the market as well the local economy would be far more stable. Floating currency and regulated interest rates creates the huge swings that the Aussie dollar is regularily subjected to, and the cause is entirely due to the RBA failure to appreciate the ultimate effect of their own actions.
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- RIP @ Peak Posting -- LilDevil, 20:42:15 11/06/09 Fri
An abiotic poster ...........Snicker
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- Does this sound like peak oil? -- RIP, 20:19:21 11/06/09 Fri
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/in-texas-oil-sands-firms-fight-for-their-share/article1354643/
Sounds more like peak panic.
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- think I will start hoarding them... -- mudturtle, 20:07:37 11/06/09 Fri
LOL
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- @ round and round -- RIP, 19:57:04 11/06/09 Fri
You're the guy with the NASA gravitational mass
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- Irradiated Dimes - (1950s, 1960s) . -- Nuclearson, 19:56:28 11/06/09 Fri
During the 1950s, the Oak Ridge Graphite Reactor was the world’s single largest source of radionuclides, and the availability of these radionuclides revolutionized the field of medicine and many branches of science. The impact was no less great in the industrial sector. Radionuclides were produced in several ways, but neutron activation was perhaps the most important. The purpose of the dime irradiator at the American Museum of Atomic Energy, located in Oak Ridge, Tennessee, was to provide a dramatic demonstration of the principle of neutron activation. Today, the museum is known as the American Museum of Science and Energy.
At the time that the dime irradiator was in operation, the Museum was managed by the Oak Ridge Institute for Nuclear Studies (ORINS). ORINS is now Oak Ridge Associated Universities (ORAU).
In the late 1940s and/or early 1950s, dimes were also irradiated at Oak Ridge National Laboratory (ORNL) and encased in a similar fashion (see photo to right). While I don't have any details about how the irradiation was performed at ORNL, we do have the following description in what I believe is a 1954 press release from the American Museum of Atomic Energy:
"One of the most popular exhibits in the American Museum of Atomic Energy is a "dime irradiator." To date, more than 250,000 dimes have been irradiated, encased in plastic and returned to their owners as souvenirs. The irradiator works as follows: A mixture of radioactive antimony and beryllium is enclosed in a lead container. Gamma rays from the antimony are absorbed by the beryllium atoms and a neutron is expelled by the beryllium atom in the process.
These neutrons, having no electrical charge, penetrate silver atoms in the dime. Instead of remaining normal silver-109, they become radioactive silver-110. After irradiation, the dime is dropped out through a slot in the lead container and rests momentarily before a Geiger tube so that its radioactivity may be demonstrated. It is then encased in the souvenir container. Radioactive silver, with a half-life of 22 seconds, decays rapidly to cadmium-110 (In 22 seconds, half of the radioactivity in each dime is gone, in another 22 seconds half the remainder goes, and so on until all the silver-110 has become cadmium). Only an exceedingly minute fraction of the silver atoms have been made radioactive."
The irradiated dimes were 90% silver and 10% copper. The silver consisted of equal amounts of Ag-107 and Ag-109. The absorption of the neutrons by the silver converted some of the Ag-107 to Ag-108m (400+ year half-life) and Ag-108 (2.39 min half life). Similarly, a few atoms of the Ag-109 were converted to Ag-110m (250 d half-life) and Ag-110 (25 s half-life). The bulk of the activity that was produced was due to the Ag-110 and, to a lesser extent, the Ag-108. Both of these radionuclides decayed away very quickly, within minutes. By the time the visitor was leaving the Museum, there was almost nothing left. The only activity that might be detected today would be due to trace quantities of Ag-108m, but it would require long counts and relatively sophisticated equipment. I could not detect any in the three coins in the collection.
I just bought one at an antique shop
think I will start hoarding them...
http://www.orau.org/ptp/collection/medalsmementoes/dimes.htm
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- - -- faloffal, 19:47:17 11/06/09 Fri
Renko Chart Symmetry
a cool indicator!
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- RIP, 19:43:21 11/06/09 Fri Does Uranus have a moon? -- LilDevil, 19:45:58 11/06/09 Fri
Ya its called RIP, round and round it goes..........Hahahaha
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- I see Devil swallows anything...per usual -- RIP, 19:43:21 11/06/09 Fri
Does Uranus have a moon?
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- Cassini's Flyby of Saturn’s moon Enceladus -- LilDevil (), 19:38:04 11/06/09 Fri
Successful Flight Through Enceladus Plume
The Cassini spacecraft has weathered the Monday, Nov. 2, 2009, flyby of Saturn’s moon Enceladus in good health and has been sending images and data of the encounter back to Earth. Cassini had approached Enceladus more closely before, but this passage took the spacecraft on its deepest plunge yet through the heart of the plume shooting out from the south polar region. Scientists are eagerly sifting through the results.
In this unprocessed image, sunlight brightens a crescent curve along the edge of Saturn's moon Enceladus and highlights its misty plume. The image was captured by Cassini's narrow-angle camera as the spacecraft passed about 190,000 kilometers (120,000 miles) over the moon....
...At its closest point on Nov. 2, Cassini flew about 100 kilometers (60 miles) above the surface of Enceladus.
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_1510.html
http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/399365main_enceladus_full_full.jpg
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- - -- faloffal, 19:38:00 11/06/09 Fri
drooy
low 6.14
nice, nice, nice
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- - -- faloffal, 19:37:07 11/06/09 Fri
Pneumonic
ok, now we're getting somewhere. If anyone smokes tobacco, I suggest you refrain... I'm surrounded by smokers and MY guess is this flu will take 'em out first...
fwiw
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- RIP - I don't know what you are talking about. We GATA a lot of 'change' -- morbius, 19:35:22 11/06/09 Fri
as the GM bond holders found out - that the specifics of their contracts could change in an instant - kinda like the constitution as a 'living document'. Now we got 'living contracts'. Sure sounds like a place where I'd love to start a business, or in whose safekeeping I would trust my wealth.
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- morbius......wanna see some honesty in advertising? -- RIP, 19:32:47 11/06/09 Fri
http://www.theagitator.com/2009/11/06/and-my-wifes-boyfriend-broke-my-jaw-with-a-fence-post/
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- How about a Gummint Motors Muscle Car Enlistment bonus -- morbius, 19:28:47 11/06/09 Fri
with a deed to a Fannie Mae repo when (if) you are ever released from the 'service'?
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- @ Goldman and Obbie -- RIP, 19:28:11 11/06/09 Fri
No president has had more ammo to make a statement about GS and the other bailout turds.
As far as I can see....he is a total sellout.
Change!
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- RIP - You know, on eBay if you buy an OEM copy of Windows -- morbius, 19:24:56 11/06/09 Fri
the seller (as per agreement with Microsoft) has to send you a piece of hardware - a broken disk drive, an old memory chip - just about anything. They could redo 'cash for clunkers', only this time you only GATA trade in a car PART....an old horn, a dead battery....and they could raise the rebate to $15,000 or $20,000. Think the horse would drink?
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- morbius @ O Card -- RIP, 19:23:35 11/06/09 Fri
Oprah will give away more stuff than Goldman Obama.
Bet on it.
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- RIP - Sure you can. I'm waiting for my ObamaCard (more likely the ObamaChip).... -- morbius, 19:19:49 11/06/09 Fri
Free Obamabucks for my mortgage, utility bills, car payments, groceries......
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- Did I mention there was no money? -- RIP, 19:17:15 11/06/09 Fri
Yet POG is rising.
Think about it.
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- Oil Shipping .. -- Delta-au, 19:16:17 11/06/09 Fri
This Week .. sluggish MEG demand has seen increasing spare
VLCC tonnage .. despite some tonnage re-positioning to the
Atlantic, which has higher DHR's at the moment ..
Prior Week was good / firm demand ..
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- Consumer credit beats the street...... to the downside. -- RIP, 19:12:19 11/06/09 Fri
otal consumer credit has dropped for the 8th straight month as consumers refuse to buy stocks while maxing out their credit cards, contrary to what GE, Bernstein and Bernanke want them to do. 4 more months and the US consumer will have given the administration the reflation finger for one straight year. Excess reserves to hit $2 trillion shortly.
Total credit came in at $2.456 trillion, consisting of $889 billion ($10 billion lower than August) and $1,5667billion ($5 billion lower than August). The later category is primarily related to auto purchases thus so much for the Cash for Clunkers attempt at releveraging.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/september-consumer-credit-lower-148-billion-worse-10-billion-estimate-consumers-refuse-borro
You can lead a horse to water....but you can't inflate him.
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- Obomba..........unemployment record...... -- AZAU, 18:56:50 11/06/09 Fri
"The need for such a measure was made clear by the jobs report that we received this morning," Obama said, citing Friday's government report the jobless rate hit 10.2 percent last month, the highest since 1983.
He called it a "sobering number that underscores the economic challenges that lie ahead" and vowed that "I will not rest until all Americans who want work can find work."
...........upon which he left for the golf course.
feck the little people
hahahahahahahahahaha!
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- JoeB - I donno....He didn't ride into Kileen to off the lunch crowd at McDonald's -- morbius (), 18:30:27 11/06/09 Fri
He attacked the enemy of Muslims everywhere (everywhere that there are natural resources to be expropriated, anyway. As they said in The Godfather "It's not personal. It's just business").
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- WileE - Chris Story -- Mikikis (), 18:42:56 11/06/09 Fri
While I cannot say that the story is completely full of sh_t....Mr. Story does have a pretty severe credibility problem historically.
Maybe he got the story fed to him by Jim Willie's Kremlin source? Hehe
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- ft. hood - -- WileE -- Earl, 18:39:00 11/06/09 Fri
Your moving into mozel's territory .... the woo-woo domain.
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- If you attempt to breed idiots -- RIP, 18:36:06 11/06/09 Fri
....eventually you will breed a genius.
Genetics and will don't mix well together.
They need to work on it.
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- Boobus likes and demands easy credit ..... Morbs -- Earl, 18:34:59 11/06/09 Fri
Yes he does ......... he likes socialism a lot too and will accept the chip up his bum for a free flu shot.
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- ft. hood - -- WileE, 18:32:38 11/06/09 Fri
check this. from chris story:
http://www.worldreports.org/news/244_fort_hood_recovery_of_the_chinese_currency_boxes
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