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Date Posted: 20:42:31 03/18/08 Tue
Author: LU 72
Subject: American does not deserve to be in the league
In reply to: Franks Tanks 's message, "Re: Is that grad rate through 2006-2007?" on 15:28:22 03/18/08 Tue

The school has no national profile, no programs of great merit and nothing to recommend it. It is a freeloader on the schools that made the league and continue to make it what it is, and those are schools that have FOOTBALL teams.
American should be expelled. The league is allowing a low-rent school to take its bid while the core schools sit at home.

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[> [> [> [> Watching AU fans cheering afterthe win was funny -- BERTHA, 11:41:08 03/19/08 Wed [1]

Fans should never go on the field of play or the court, and watching these non-fans behave as if they were in a movie scene was funny and fake.
It was all about ``playing fan'' not being one.
Ideally we would have enough real members to provide a cushion for membership and oust AU and Fordham. We do not and probably will not at least for a long time.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: If their grad rate is still 18%, I believe they may need to be warned by the league. -- Go...'gate, 13:23:03 03/19/08 Wed [1]

Let's face it, taht is not what the conference is all about. Theie athletes are certainly not representative of their general student bodies, as American is a fine school.

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[> [> [> [> [> Hah! -- Realist, 20:33:54 03/19/08 Wed [1]

Lehigh is a cute little school. Fordham is a prominent national institution. But I won't hold this against Lehigh. Some of my best workers went to Lehigh.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Hah! -- Franks Tanks, 08:26:30 03/20/08 Thu [1]

Ok Realist lets be frank. Fordham is a fine school but Lehigh is something like 40 spots ahead in the US NEWS rankings, thats not even CLOSE.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Hah! -- Realist, 10:25:53 03/20/08 Thu [1]

US News Rankings are for those of you with inferiority complexes. They mean little. The measure of a school's stature is who it graduates, not who it admits. Which school has a stronger faculty with far more scholars of international reputation? Fordham. Which school has the far more impressive list of accomplished alumni? Fordham. Which school's professional and graduate programs are flooded with applications from Lehigh graduates? Fordham.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Hah! -- Franks Tanks, 12:31:19 03/20/08 Thu [1]

Sucess is arbitrary, what you and I consider so may be different. Fordham's graduate school is much larger than Lehigh's so of course they will get applicant. Fordham is a great school and has some excellent grad programs, but the admission criteria isnt even close to being the same-- sorry your wrong

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Hah! -- Realist, 09:23:15 03/21/08 Fri [1]

Yes, for those of you who think that the most important thing you ever did was sit for the SAT when you were 17 years old, Lehigh is the preferred school. (You might want to note, however, that the secondary school GPA of students entering Fordham (3.7) is as high as those entering Lehigh; however, I forgot for a moment that the SAT is, of course, the most important thing you've ever done).

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Hah! -- Franks Tanks, 09:41:06 03/21/08 Fri [1]

I dont believe that is what I said. Fordham is a fine school and I am glad they are in our league. I understand the US News ranking are BS in many ways but they still are effective in grouping like schools. Fordham is ranked next to Clemson and Miami of Ohio. Nothing wrong with that and Fordham still attracts many great students who become very successful, but the fact remains that Lehigh is still significantly harder to get into than Fordham. Oh and i'm actually a Lafayette grad, I dont even like Lehigh, but I am also a crusader of truth and the american way so I adressed the issue. Ok I guess thats enough of this pissing match

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Hah! -- Realist, 07:44:02 03/22/08 Sat [1]

So you're a Lafayette grad defending Lehigh? Cats and dogs, living together. Here's something for you to think about. Sources such as The Gourman Report rated Fordham's academic departments, as a whole, higher than any of the core PL schools. In fact, among the schools associated with the PL, Gourman ranks only Georgetown and Fordham in the 4.0 to 5.0 range -- the top tier of the rankings. No core PL school can claim to have stronger academic departments than Fordham in fields such as philosophy, theology, humanities, classics, literature, history, journalism and communications, psychology, etc. Moreover, not only does Fordham have internationally recognized scholars on its faculty, but it requires that all faculty teach undergraduate courses. At Fordham, you can take, for example, Avery Dulles as an undergraduate, and you get lectured by Avery Dulles, not his TA. Your comparisons to Clemson and Miami-Ohio are way off the mark. This is whay Fordham graduates do well in so many field. They are pushed by a demanding faculty and curriculum, and are taught to work hard for success. You in the PL should be touting Fordham as an underrated gem, and the equal to any school in the league (although, the "public perception" is beginning to catch up with the reality at Fordham, and its US News ranking will most certainly reflect that in the next 10 years or so).

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> ``Underrated'' means ``no good'' -- No NYC schools belong in the league, 13:27:36 03/23/08 Sun [1]


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[> [> [> [> Re: American does not deserve to be in the league -- Franks Tanks, 20:31:21 03/19/08 Wed [1]

I dont disagree with your statement-- we would all love to have another all sports member or two but unfortunantly potential suitors that we can get excited about seems to be 0 at this juncture.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: American does not deserve to be in the league -- colorless raider, 19:54:17 03/22/08 Sat [1]

To Franks Tanks. Stop being polite to "Realist". Anybody who knows anything about the AI knows that Fordham Undergraduate school is not close to the rest of the Patriot League. That is not to say that they don't have an excellent faculty that is there because of the graduate programs.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: American does not deserve to be in the league -- Franks Tanks, 12:55:27 03/24/08 Mon [1]

Thanks Raider. As you may know I really like Fordham and think they are a great school. Im not the biggest fan of US NEWS ranking and admission critera as a determination of the quality of the student body, but when the numbers are that disparite it is clear there is a difference. Hey Realist open up the US NEWS ranking, Fordham is ranked right there with Clemson and Miami of Ohio, its black & white. Does Fordham have better students, faculty, and programs? Quite possibly but the average incoming student is comparable to the average incoming student at these two schools

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[> [> [> [> Re: American does not deserve to be in the league -- FU1841, 11:01:45 07/23/08 Wed [1]

Oh, come on! this c**p again? Lehigh is #31 to Fordham's #67. So what? UC-Berkly is #21 and UNC is #28, does that prove Lehigh is inferior to those super-sized public schools? I'd sooner send my kids to Lehigh than UNC or Berkley, so rankings serve a purpose, but is often tied to facilities and money and USN&WR has gotten a lot of heat for how it determines rankings. Georgetown, which has taken a LOT of heat on the PL boards for football and slammed for basketball, is ranked #23! I don't see GU folks, after seeing negative posts against them, coming on these boards to suggest that Lehigh be dropped for lesser standards. What matters is that both Fordham and American are in the top 100 national universitites in the nation, a nation of some 3,000 colleges and universities. No one is here trashing Lehigh for not being top 20 or top 25.

Go--gate is 100% right-If AU needs to address some issues of academic performance of their team, they will. Bertha, it seems to me that you are quick to slam the two schools that A)are not original members and B)won the PL championships in the two big sports. Instead of talking trash, how about supporting the two PL MEMBER schools that won the championships and went on to represent the PL in NCAA play. I guess all is wrong with the world if Lehigh isn't King of the Hill for fans like Bertha.

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