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Date Posted: 10:32:34 05/11/05 Wed
Author: Go...'gate
Subject: Re: Do you think Fordham's President would consider such a move?
In reply to: PA Ram 's message, "Nice civil discussion here gang. Count me as an FU alumn who wants to be fulltime PL (w/schollies)." on 10:18:38 05/11/05 Wed


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[> [> [> Re: Do you think Fordham's President would consider such a move? -- RamRay, 11:03:51 05/11/05 Wed [1]

While subject to political and economic pressures and the voices of the most generous alumni, what university president would not consider the demands of an alumni group? Some alums want CAA and one day to become 1-A again. Others like the PL and want the PL to step up with scholies.

Now, having said that, Fr. McShane is first and foremost about academic quality, integrety and growth. He has been known to (nicely but firmly) rebuff the waggings of those alums pushing for CAA/A-10 football membership and is tired of alums' 1-A dreams we cannot afford. I think if the PL were to offer FB & BB scholarships, he would have compelling reasons for returning for full membership. His goal is to elevate Fordham to compete with BC, GU and ND as a, if not THE, premier Catholic University in the US. Yet reality dictates we do not have the $ to compete with ND & BC's strong Div I football, but were we to elevate academicsand athletics to a higher level, we could be a force in the 1-AA arena looking to strongly compete against HC, GU, Villanova with a yearly game against a Div I opponent. A stronger scholie PL could make that a reality, not to mention elevate the programs at all PL schools while still making academics first: a PAC 10 we will never become!

This is how I see it.

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[> [> [> Re: Do you think Fordham's President would consider such a move? -- RamRay, 11:06:21 05/11/05 Wed [1]

While subject to political and economic pressures and the voices of the most generous alumni, what university president would not consider the demands of an alumni group? Some alums want CAA and one day to become 1-A again. Others like the PL and want the PL to step up with scholies.

Now, having said that, Fr. McShane is first and foremost about academic quality, integrety and growth. He has been known to (nicely but firmly) rebuff the waggings of those alums pushing for CAA/A-10 football membership and is tired of alums' 1-A dreams we cannot afford. I think if the PL were to offer FB & BB scholarships, he would have compelling reasons for returning for full membership. His goal is to elevate Fordham to compete with BC, GU and ND as a, if not THE, premier Catholic University in the US. Yet reality dictates we do not have the $ to compete with ND & BC's strong Div I football, but were we to elevate academics and athletics to a higher level, we could be a force in the 1-AA arena looking to strongly compete against HC, GU, Villanova with a yearly game against a Div I opponent. A stronger scholie PL could make that a reality, not to mention elevate the programs at all PL schools while still making academics first: a PAC 10 we will never become!

This is how I see it.

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[> [> [> [> FU & the PL -- Jimbo65, 08:33:41 05/12/05 Thu [1]

FU's move to the PL coupled with a dismal and ineffective athletic administration almost destroyed the athletic program, not only in bball but in the minor sports. Fball was saved by a great coach and the work of alumns, not by membership in the PL. Associate membership in the PL is good for FU fball but what is needed is better scheduling a/k/a no more Marist, Duquense & Albany.While we all were thrilled at Bucknell's great NCAA victory, the year before Lehigh was sent to the play-in game. I hope things are left as they are.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: FU & the PL -- RamRay, 08:49:47 05/13/05 Fri [1]

But you have to admit, Jimbo, it would be dramatically better if the PL offered full rides: the PL could all then compete with the big dogs and still be looked upon as a model of academics and athletics in proper balance. Then the week scheduling would be moved to a strong one.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: FU & the PL -- colorless raider, 09:56:52 05/13/05 Fri [1]

Put the pressure on the Fordham admimistration to back schollies.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: FU & the PL -- RamRay, 10:34:25 05/13/05 Fri [1]

The pressure has to be on the PL full-members... Alums DID put pressure on Fr. Finley then O'Shay for scholies..that is a key reason why we went to the A-10 for all other sports. The PL has been quite firm in it's position of never having scholies...but they serve the member schools and if the member schools wish to change the charter, they can.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Fr. McShane is a pragmatist. There would be a riot among alums if FU rejoined the PL. Never happen. -- Rambacker, 13:59:09 05/21/05 Sat [1]

In fact, expect Fordham to potentially take another step up in basketball if a slot opens up in a revised Big East or formation of a new Catholic big time basketball league. We're going in the opposite direction.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Fr. McShane IS a pragmatist. That's why I can't agree with your view in this case. -- RamRay, 09:13:37 05/23/05 Mon [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Rambacker--who supplies your Kool-Aid?? -- Realist, 15:45:07 05/24/05 Tue [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Repeat-Fr. McShane is a PRAGMATIST, not suicidal. Never happen. -- Rambacker, 17:44:12 05/28/05 Sat [1]

We're going in a different direction. It's called national exposure, not very, very regional exposure. Next topic?

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